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OrbiTouch Keyless Keyboard Review 347

robyn217 writes "When I last looked at strange, new keyboards (here's the previous thread here on slashdot), I thought I'd seen it all... not even close! I just reviewed a new keyless keyboard, called the OrbiTouch, and gave it a run for its money. It's literally made up of two humps--it reminds me of holding onto my knees rather a keyboard. To type or mouse, you need to move the humps around in a synchronized manner. It's twisted--but it's better for you to decide for yourself--here's the article, OrbiTouch Review: A Keyless Keyboard with lots of pictures. Think you'll give it a test drive? Will it survive the year?"
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OrbiTouch Keyless Keyboard Review

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  • Touchless (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Stormcrow309 ( 590240 ) on Friday May 30, 2003 @02:22PM (#6078948) Journal
    It would be great if it works as advertise. I am a Laptop user myself and it would help. I don't know if I could get use to the no feel response.
  • Not just for RSI (Score:5, Interesting)

    by fastdecade ( 179638 ) on Friday May 30, 2003 @02:27PM (#6079013)
    From the article:

    why would anyone design a keyboard like this? In one simple word, comfort.

    There are also other reasons why keyboard alternatives like this are cool. Disabled users, obviously. Also for typing where you can't be very accurate, e.g. while riding a bike.

    Hmmm wonder if you could type with your feet while surfing during lunch ...
  • Get A Grip! (Score:2, Interesting)

    by PRES_00 ( 657776 ) on Friday May 30, 2003 @02:31PM (#6079072)
    The learning curve on this device is way too high!
    You might as well use two mice with specialized software to have the same effect. At such a high price, I won't even glance at it. Who will carry such monstrosity to work and home?
  • Re:price (Score:4, Interesting)

    by interiot ( 50685 ) on Friday May 30, 2003 @02:36PM (#6079130) Homepage
    Especially because it can seemingly be replaced with two cheap 8-way joysticks. That's all it is, two joysticks with fancy boob coverings.
  • I disagree (Score:5, Interesting)

    by ebuck ( 585470 ) on Friday May 30, 2003 @03:00PM (#6079381)
    All keyboards just need to report their keycodes to the machine (where the keyboard driver/definition translates them into the actual text encoding) The techonology has been around for years, and is quite flexible allowing multiple language specific keyboards to be attached to the same hardware.

    What is needed is really a user upgrade. People have invested a lot of time in learing exactly where the letters are located on their particular keyboard. (I know this as I recently had to "relean" the locations of various keys on a Spanish keyboard). Imagine asking someone to memorize (to the point of not thinking about it) the various dual-joystick combinations to type out a typical email. Or if not this device, the various mouse gestures (mouse based keyboard), hand wriggling (joystick based keyboard), eye-control (for eye-tracking keyboard), or other method of input.

    Certainly there will be adopters, but there will be a rough cost-benifit analysis by the masses. Most that will conclude it's more expensive to learn new keyboard type when the new keyboard only offers the same functionality of inputting text into a computer.
  • pipelining (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Astrorunner ( 316100 ) on Friday May 30, 2003 @03:02PM (#6079397) Journal
    when you're typing on a conventional keyboard, you're pretty much pipelining your next couple keys. When you type "ASDF" as your pinkie is coming down, your next find is ready to depress the S and ther your middle finger should be resting on the D. You just can't do that on the keyboard in question. You have to use both hands to make every single letter -- you'd think that they would have made the left or ride side movements by themselves to type a vowel.
  • Re:ugh. (Score:3, Interesting)

    by tramm ( 16077 ) <hudson@swcp.com> on Friday May 30, 2003 @03:06PM (#6079433) Homepage
    Quasar wrote:
    This is one of the few peices of computer technology that needs to have a better upgrade path... I mean, I get a new video card every year or two... and a complete new system at least once every 4 years... the damn keyboard hasn't changed much in at least the last 10...
    In fact, I haven't upgraded my keyboard in 10 years. I love my Model M [modelm.org] IBM keyboard. It has outlasted eight computers so far. It seems that many other people [google.com] like the Model M enough to write fan-sites about them [3m3718.com].
  • Re:price (Score:5, Interesting)

    by hpavc ( 129350 ) on Friday May 30, 2003 @03:13PM (#6079496)
    the problem i have is that this style of input is that it transfers the labour of input motion from the wrists and lower arms to the lower arms and shoulder. especially with the dual input and fast small mtions.

    if you suffer like i do, the referred pains after using this are terrible. now you feel pain arms shoulder and neck.

    in my opinion its all about this product ...

    http://www.fingerworks.com/touchstream_products. ht ml ... but its got its own price problem and it does take a while to use. but its unix friendly and the emacs movements are a real nice way of showing it off
  • by Kashif Shaikh ( 575991 ) on Friday May 30, 2003 @03:41PM (#6079783)
    Well, if you looked over the article and especially the keyboard pictures, the movements are basically "Street Fighter 2" style moves. For example, to do a fireball with Ryu, one simply need to do a "down,down-forward,forward "

    On the same token to type a 'd', you need to do "back,forward". I credit the creator of the device for taking moves that are used in fighting games and using them in unique ways(like this keyboard).

    In fighting games, you have endless number of moves, which I've seen many people(not me) master very well in the arcades. So maybe this new keyboard will work?

  • by Tighe_L ( 642122 ) on Friday May 30, 2003 @04:23PM (#6080141) Homepage

    I am tired of having only one mouse and cursor on my computer, I think the keyboard should be split in 2 like Either of these 2 keyboards TouchStream ST [extremetech.com] or, DataHand [extremetech.com].

    Then, a optical mouse eye should be under each half, which controls a left hand and right hand mouse pointer.

    So much more could be done with computer UI if we had 2 mouse pointers.

    Do you eat a steak with one hand? And if you merge the keyboard with the mouse you don't have to switch you had back and forth over and over again.

  • pipelining - Dvorak (Score:2, Interesting)

    by JerryKnight ( 465510 ) on Friday May 30, 2003 @04:24PM (#6080148) Journal
    (Trying not to be off-topic for this post, but...)
    This is one of the things the Dvorak layout was made to exploit. For instance, (now is the time to look at a key chart) typing the word "month" on dvorak makes the "nth" basically one motion. The vowel combinations are this way as well. That "pipelining" is particularly good when the keys in the pipe are nearby on different fingers on the same hand. Qwerty does well at cross-hand patterns, but some of those can be vulnerable to miss-timing issues. (The first auto-correct entry is "teh"->"the").

    They couldn't get them all, though, such as "gh" "ct" "rn" etc. but I guess those are statistically less frequent than the big ones: "th" "sh" "cr" and so on... I like the example word some Dvorak article used to show the difference. Excruciating. Type it in Qwerty, then go look it up on a dvorak. Not that we all type "excruciating" that often, but is a somewhat worst-case example.

    Just more shameless advocacy of the Dvorak layout.
  • touch-"typing" (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 30, 2003 @05:40PM (#6080798)
    What about touch-typing? With today's standard keyboards, your fingers can anticipate the next letter that you're going to hit. When typing "the" (assuming you're using QWERTY), as your right hand reaches for the H, your left is preparing to hit the E a fraction of a second afterwards. It looks like you can't really do that with these domes -- you do the motions for one letter, then the next, then the next. Net result -- slower typing.

    The only real keyboard "improvement" of sorts that I can name is the Dvorak layout. I don't use it (yet), but people swear by it.
  • Re:ugh. (Score:3, Interesting)

    by EvanED ( 569694 ) <{evaned} {at} {gmail.com}> on Friday May 30, 2003 @09:06PM (#6082015)
    >>Beyond seperating common pairs horizontally, I don't know what factors went into designing Querty, but speeding up typing does not appear to have been one of them

    Virtually none. Previous layouts were alphabetical; QWERTY just moved some letters around. Look at the home row: asdfghjkl. All letters from D to L are there, in order, with the exception of E and I which were moved off. Only 4 letters of the first 12 aren't there.
  • It is not only that. (Score:2, Interesting)

    by lukme ( 638428 ) on Saturday May 31, 2003 @02:33AM (#6083147)
    The fastest words to type are those that involve only one hand. When we have to coordinate between 2 hands we are much slower (consider playing piano, how much work is it to play with one hand as compared to 2 hands). Quite frankly, 7mm is a large movement.

    2 things I want from my keyboard. First is speed, second is ease of use. Having 2 stubby joy mounds (they are too round to be called sticks) to move around together is not easy, and 7mm is not small enough.

    I want something that you move the device 1 mm to activate it and the entire keyboard should be mapped to one hand.

    I agree with your analysis of the touchstream products. However, I will wait until they come out with a programming interface for it.

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