Review of Nokia 7250 - Triband GSM w/camera 144
An anonymous reader writes "The new Nokia 7250 is out. Small, very cool looking phone that even has a built-in camera. 3 page review with 6 pages of photos, including a photo gallery of images taken by the 7250 itself - with some human help, of course."
To me, that looks ugly. (Score:3, Funny)
Re:This is completely on topic (Score:2)
Direct replys to comments are always moderated as off topic. I find that giving comments moderated as offtopic a +1 modifier makes /. a whole lot more readable. Shooting some of the idiot moderators would probably work too.
Re:This is completely on topic (Score:1)
This is one of the problems with open peer review.
To paraphrase Bill Cosby:
"Yeah, but what if your peers are assholes?"
KFG
Why does slashdot only care about GSM phones (Score:1)
Because GSM rules the world, baby (Score:1)
The only CDMA countries are the US, Canada, and South Korea (where Samsung is). The rest of the world is GSM. There's bound to be less choice. And it's probably a conspiracy too.
Already down :( (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Already down :( (Score:1)
mobile . BURN . com
First prime factorization post (Score:1, Funny)
Re:First prime factorization post (Score:2, Funny)
7250 = (1+i)*(1-i)*(1-2*i)^3*(1+2*i)^3*(2+5*i)*(2-5*i)
whoa talk about information overload (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:whoa talk about information overload (Score:2)
I'd rather have a pager (Score:4, Funny)
Still, I prefer pagers. They don't cause brain cancer. [lostbrain.com]
tcd004
Partial Text; Images (Score:5, Informative)
It is no secret that I was no big fan of the Nokia 7210. The feature set was good, the look was, well, interesting, and it had a lot of things going for it. It just had the world's worst keypad ever. The buttons had a strange shape, were not lined up properly, and the direction buttons were just so poorly designed that I was constantly hitting the wrong one.
So in spite of a lot of potentially good things about the phone, I couldn't stand to use it.
Fast forward a bit to the new 7250. It has a shape similar to the 7210. It, too, has very creatively designed keys and buttons. It comes in vivid colors and user changeable covers and has all of the features that the 7210 had. It even has something new, a built-in camera.
The results of these few seemingly minor changes is astounding. The 7250 is an awesome phone.
The 7250 has all of the features that you want in a phone, for the most part. It is triband GSM, it has a color display, polyphonic ringtones, Java, and a speakerphone function, too. Sure, it is missing Bluetooth, but I pretty much have given up on Nokia and Bluetooth ever really working well together. For as much as Nokia seems bent on getting others to use their UI standard (Series 60), they sure seem unable to play by somebody elses rules (those of the Bluetooth SIG).
But outside of Bluetooth, this device has it all.
Color rules
Everything about the 7250 revolves around color, it seems. The covers are all very rich looking, with subtle textures looking like brushed metal. The color display is large and very bright, and it shows off the photos taken by the internal camera very well. In fact, I would say that the 7250's display and camera work better together than any pair I have seen on a mobile handset to date. When you take a photo with the internal camera and view it, it looks like how you saw it. Clear, bright, colorful.
The display is not made of the most modern technology, though. It is a 4096 color passive matrix display, just like the earlier color Nokias. In my mind, 4096 colors is enough for a phone. I don't think you can really appreciate more colors on such a small display. The images are not large enough to be able to appreciate subtle tone changes that higher color depths offer. I do think that a switch to an active matrix display would be worth it, though. But not really for the brighter colors or such, but to avoid display ghosting.
For the same reason that passive matrix displays were so unpopular on early color laptops, they should not be used here. Passive matrix displays show a lot of image ghosting in situations with high contrast (the calendar numbers on a white background) or fast action (the Bounce game). The ghosting in the 7250 is not as bad as the 7210, in that the calendar looks fine, but Bounce still does not look great. Any kind of scrolling game, like Bounce, demands an active matrix display. Triple Bop, on the other hand, runs and looks just fine as is.
But outside of Bounce, I think the display and phone are well paired. As I mentioned before, the images from the new internal camera really shine on the phone's display - something that is pretty rare. The image quality from the internal camera is quite decent in general, but it lacks resolution. This is not a problem for use as a wallpaper on the phone, but it is an issue if you want to use the image on your PC. The maximum resolution for a photo is only 352x288, but for such small images they still look nice on a PC. I have included a number of samples in one of the following pages after the end of the review so you can see for yourself.
The camera has 3 quality settings, Basic, Normal, High. I recommend using High at all times since the images are still very small (12K max, give or take), and the 7250 has so much free memory (5MB out of the box). That's plenty of room. There are two photo sizes, too: Standard and Portrait. Portrait shoots small images suitable for MMS messages. Perhaps the coolest thing the camera has is the Self-Timer function. This causes the phone to wait a few seconds before snapping the photo after you press the button, giving you time, presumably, to get into the photo. The problem with that scenario is that the phone is not very stable when standing on end. But I imagine that this would be useful in some situation, and it surely didn't cost anything to add the feature. So thumbs up.
Considering the lack of a need for an attachment, the negligible impact on phone size, and the relative good quality of the images, I would have to say this is my favorite camera in a phone. I'd like more resolution, sure, but I prefer image quality to resolution, so this is a winner in my book.
I've established a complete mirror [initialized.org] of the images referenced by Mobile Burn. Perhaps "The Mysterious Future" was intended to enable the creation of mirrors by subscribers.
page two and three (Score:3, Interesting)
Great voice sound, only decent ring sound One of the things that really impressed me about the 7250 was the sound quality of the phone calls. Part of this is due to the internal speaker, of course, but I credit most of it to the really strong reception ability of the internal antenna. This handset holds a signal much better than the Sony Ericsson T68i or the Siemens S55, and this means that I get clear voice sound even the radio tower black hole where I am living outside of Philadelphia. Reception is very bad in my apartment, but the Nokia performed better than any phone I have used here - including a few with external an external antenna. The fore mentioned speakerphone function also provides good sound quality. It is decently loud, enough so to be used comfortably in a normal setting. I am not sure how it would function in a crowded board room or a moving automobile, though.
The other aspect of sound in the 7250 did not leave me as impressed. Like most modern phones today, the 7250 has polyphonic sound. Unlike some other Nokias, though, the 7250's polyphonics are for the most part appropriately loud. And that's great, as it is my most common complaint. What it lacks is musical ability. The ringtones just sound a bit mechanical, especially when compared to last week's test of the Samsung SGH-S300. The sounds just don't match up. They are good, far better than what we first saw from Nokia (the 3510), but they just pale in comparison to some of the Asian handsets I have used. But as I said, they are still good, just not the best.
Another sound related failing is the lack of voice dialing and voice commands. I really didn't think this was possible, but I have gone through the manual a few times - and I can not find anything regarding voice commands. This is a disappointment since I use that feature quite often. I'm sure many other people will be similarly disappointed. I guess we will have to resort to speed dials.
The last sound related aspect of the 7250 would be the FM Radio. When attached to the supplied stereo headset, the 7250 can be used as a FM radio. The headset cable is used as the antenna, which is why the radio will not function without it. Even with the headset attached, though, there is no way to use the speakerphone function to listen to the radio. That's a shame, but Nokia does sell a stereo speaker cradle for the 7250 that you can place on your desk. I think that is a bit of overkill, though. In any event, the sound from the radio is good - provided you have a good signal. The auto tuning works pretty well, but seems to ignore a lot of stations that it considers to be weak. As such, a small change in your position can result in certain stations being ignored while new ones will be found by the auto tuning. You always have the ability to manually tune, too. I'm not sure what kind of effect running the radio will have on battery performance. I don't have enough time to let it run down and compare. And in case you were concerned, the radio turns itself off whenever the phone makes a sound or goes into a call state. You won't miss a call because of the radio.
Sync it While the 7250 comes with no included software, it is compatible with Nokia's PC Suite v5.1. PC Suite is available for download on the Nokia site.
PC Suite v5.1 has a lot of capabilities, including the ability to Synchronize the 7250's contacts with Microsoft Outlook, Outlook Express, Lotus Notes, and Lotus Organizer. Synchronization was fast and simple after I accounted for the different names of the default folders in my German copy of Outlook 2002.
There is a phone browser app in the suite that will allow you to download the assorted images and sounds from the phone to your PC. The phone browser can be accessed in the main PC Suite application like the rest of the PC Suite features, but best of all, it is integrated directly into the Windows Explorer. Whenever your phone has its IR port on and is lined up with a similar port on your PC, you can just cruise through the 7250's internal file system as if it was a random hard disk on your computer. Works well.
The Phone Editor application lets you edit a small subset of the 7250's settings from your PC. The Phone Editor also lets you get at SMS messages that are stored on the phone and configure WAP settings and a few other things. Not as robust as some systems I have seen, but adequate.
There are also a few multimedia related apps in the PC Suite. These include the Sound Converter and Image Converter. You use these apps to format your images and sounds from your PC into a format that the 7250 can use. The Content Copier application then lets you backup your phone to your PC, or to restore everything to your phone.
All in all, the PC Suite worked well.
Main Features The 7250 supports all of the main features you would expect. The message system is standard Nokia fare, and works well - even if it does not offer as large a selection of message types as others. The SMS system is everything you would expect from Nokia. Easy to use, fast text input (with T9, of course), and SMS profiles. The MMS editor was a bit on the weak side since it does not allow for the entering of sounds into a message, only text and images. It also does not seem possible to enter pauses and such. What is lacking is real email support. There is no POP/IMAP/SMTP support in the 7250, only a feeble SMS-Email gateway feature that won't be widely used. I wish it had real email support, as it would be nice to be able to send the photos direct to somebody's desk.
The 7250's phone book is pretty good. It allows multiple numbers per contact, email addresses, street addresses, and note, too. You can tell it which number for each contact is the default number, but you can not set this globally for all contacts. You can define caller groups that the profile system can take advantage of, too. A few things lacking in the system would be T9 input in some fields (like notes) and the lack of picture caller ID. Considering the 7250 has a built-in camera, this seems like a glaring omission to me. The phonebook app also allows you to copy entries to/from the SIM card, and can make use of either the internal list, the SIM list, or both phone number lists when searching for a number.
The profile system in the 7250 is pretty nice. It allows you to configure the 5 pre-defined profiles decently. You can rename them, change ringtones, enable/disable the vibration alert, etc. That's all par for the course, though. The more important feature for many people will be the ability to use timed profiles. Basically, you can turn a profile, such as meeting, and have the 7250 automatically rever back to the general profile at some pre-determined time when the meeting will be over. No more missing calls due to a muted phone. The profiles can also be configured to allow/disallow certain predefined caller groups, too. These same caller groups can have ringtones that override the default profile ringtone. In short, the 7250's profile system is really ready for business.
The 7250's call register is top-notch. Not only can you track missed/received/dialed phone numbers, but you can also track GPRS usage. The GPRS counters separately track both data in and out, plus connection time. This will allow you to track your costs on most any of the current mobile networks. Easy to use, easy to reset. Nothing glamourous, but it does its job.
The settings section of the phone will be nothing new to anybody that has used a Nokia phone in the past couple of years. Sure, there are some new things like the Memory Status feature, and a screen-saver timeout that can be set to virtually any length, but for the most part it is all something we have seen before. Except for one noteable exception. The first option deals with the settings of the right softkey. By default the right softkey looks up names, just as it has in virtually every other Nokia phone made in the past 5 years. But now it can do more. Working much like Sony Ericsson's Shortcuts or the Siemens My Favorites list, you can now pick and choose the features that will be selected when you press the right softkey from the standby display. This will give you much faster access to commonly used features. For some reason, perhaps historical, you can not remove Names from that list, so it is not possible to make that right softkey act as a one-touch access to a feature other than Names. But you will want to put a list of features in there anyway, so that is not a problem.
Standard fare for a high-end phone these days is an assortment of PIM features. The 7250 covers this, too. The calendar app is useable, even if it is missing a weekly view. The To-Do list is simple, supporting just a short description and a priority, but makes up for that by allowing list entries to be saved to specific dates on the calendar. There is also an alarm clock thrown in to round things out. The Extras section of the 7250 offers up a few more related features, like a calculator, countdown timer, stopwatch, and wallet function.
There are a few applications included in the 7250 right out of the box. Two games, Bounce and Triple Pop, and one utility - Converter II. Other Java based games and apps can be easily downloaded using the 7250's WAP browser. GPRS setup for WAP browsing was pretty painless, and the system worked well. I downloaded a few sample images and ringtones from the Club Nokia website without a hitch.
Good to go That is pretty much everything. The 7250 has a lot of features, most of which that work really well. The new keypad layout is as usable as it is trendy looking, unlike that of the 7210. It has a great display, good audio capabilities, and a very usable internal camera. I only long for Bluetooth - proper Bluetooth that supported all manufacturers headsets and PC cards.
But in the end, I have to highly recommend this phone. I like the 6100 a lot, I like the 7250 a lot more. Ignoring Bluetooth, this is my favorite candybar shaped phone on the market. You will love it.
A ton of high-res photos are available on the following pages, including a small gallery of photos taken with the 7250's camera.
Re:Partial Text; Images (Score:2)
since I subscribe, I got to read the article in the mysterious future when it wasn't slashdotted! Some subscribers should make a mirror of the site when it's actually in the mysterious future....
Re:Partial Text; Images (Score:1)
Re:Partial Text; Images (Score:2)
Curiously, though, I haven't gotten any hate mail for hosting mirrors ever since the dot-com collapse threw ad revenues into a tailspin. Odd, eh? You'd almost think that it must be a causal relationship.
Jouster
Re:Stupid, stupid designers and/or PHB policy 1-2- (Score:2)
That'll cut your lossy image compression needs significantly.
Jouster
But can it... (Score:5, Funny)
I dunno.... (Score:5, Insightful)
The server has already pretty-much melted down, but it's another Nokia phone - all of the cells that I've had in the last few years have been GSM Nokias - they perform pretty decently, are easy to navigate around, but there's nothing ever really revolutionary...
I think my next phone will be the P800 - once the price drops a bit...
N.
Re:I dunno.... (Score:5, Insightful)
Yeah, and my desktop is faster than top-of-the line PDA's, so why would anyone want a PDA? Seriously, you are comparing apples to oranges. 7250 is a phone with a camera. P800 is a phone/PDA-hybrid (like Nokia 9210), and it costs "a bit" more if I'm not mistaken. They are meant for entirely different markets.
Re:I dunno.... (Score:2)
Re:I dunno.... (Score:1)
Re:P800 rules!!! (Score:1)
Big touchscreen, high enough res to read slashdot whilst out and about, 640x480 camera that has a setting especially to let you take pics of TVs and monitors without flicker, synchs to Outlook/Notes, copes with Exchange Server mail in the office and separate POP3 whilst mobile. They're the first decent convergence device I've seen - Symbian OS, and there's a ton of software from Doom to VNC for them.
If its anything like the Nokia 7650... (Score:3, Interesting)
I bought myself the Ericsson T68i a few months ago which I thought was pretty good, but then borrowed a friends Nokia 7650 - despite the fact its a load bigger and heavier, the phone is a million times better than the T68i.
Massive amounts of storage, the camera can take pictures of surprising quality, and a PDA like interface which is slick & colourful.
This new Nokia can only be better! Wouldn't mind checking one out!
Re:If its anything like the Nokia 7650... (Score:1)
¨The colour balance of the camera (Score:5, Informative)
Re:¨The colour balance of the camera (Score:2)
Incidentally, resolution is directly proportional to the focal ratio of a lens, i.e. for a given focal length a smaller-diameter lens will take worse pictures than a larger-diameter lens, so a small lens is actually a good excuse for bad picture quality. Of course the resolution of digital cameras is primarily limited by the size of the pixels on the array, so the lenses in these cameras are probably pretty bad since there's no point in wasting money on a good lens when all that resolution is going to be wasted on a crappy CCD or CMOS array.
Bluetooth missing is a show stopper (Score:3, Interesting)
I have a Nokia phone that has served me well, but I am looking to trade up to a new phone this year. Without Bluetooth, this phone won't be on my list of possiblities.
Re:Bluetooth missing is a show stopper (Score:2)
Re:Bluetooth missing is a show stopper (Score:3, Interesting)
What do they have against it? They can't get it to work. The first camera phone doesn't work with bluetooth headsets, they never talk to any bluetooth PC device that isn't a Nokia, which makes backing the phones up painful and each phone, with each ROM revision messes up something else, so the phones don't talk to each other.
I've given up on Nokias now because of this. Next time, I may end up with a Sony.
Re:Bluetooth missing is a show stopper (Score:2)
But in total i like my 7650. It works nice and stable. No problems so far (with the second one, the first one was kind of DOA, but this can happen, doesn't mean anything).
Re:Bluetooth missing is a show stopper (Score:2)
Re:Bluetooth missing is a show stopper (Score:2)
sure this is a sweetie for those telecoms that wan't you to use their 'cheap' services for getting the pictures out of the phone into the web 'easier'.
(ir sucks.)
I agree (Score:2)
Nokia Sync Soft (Score:5, Interesting)
Anyone know of an open alternative? I guess it would need a depth of knowledge about the phone hardware which would be hard without Nokia support...
Re:Nokia Sync Soft (Score:5, Informative)
http://www.gnokii.org/
Re:Nokia Sync Soft (Score:2)
The app that comes with it is proprietary and no longer supported, and if you ask me, I would like more flexibility...
Behold, the fruit of desperation. (Score:2, Insightful)
I dont know why.... (Score:4, Insightful)
Standard disclaimer - I am not trolling nor do I work for any cell phone company.
Re:I dont know why.... (Score:4, Informative)
First, the Samsung S105. It's a Samsung. Decent phone, but nowhere near the following that Nokia has. Nokia has a better UI, a better reputation for quality and several other minor advantages. This essentially could be answered by saying, "For the same reason a new Compaq notebook doesn't get mentioned on Slashdot whereas the Apples do."
The t68i was mentioned very recently [slashdot.org] here on Slashdot, in fact it was its replacement (and several sister models) that were featured in the story, so your objection here makes little sense.
The T720i? It doesn't "have a cam", it has an attachable camera. Yuck. Secondly, this phone has also been mentioned on Slashdot, in fact in an article far more apropos for Slashdot's (claimed) theme: An article on developing applications for the T720 [slashdot.org].
What exactly was your objection again?
Re:I dont know why.... (Score:2)
Re:I dont know why.... (Score:1)
Re:I dont know why.... (Score:1)
When I read this I thought "wait a minute
Re:I dont know why.... (Score:3, Funny)
Because Nokia is from Finland and so is Linus Torvalds.
Re:I dont know why.... (Score:2)
Jouster
Spycam (Score:5, Interesting)
The way the camera is situated on the back of the phone makes it very easy to surreptitiously take photos. You would merely appear to be dialing a number on your phone.
I'll bet this phone will become the next journalist's, spy's, and uber-geek's must-have toy. I can also envision many socially compromising situations when these covertly taken photos are eventually discovered, especially since the amalgamation of technologies encourages for these photos to be spread on the net.
"What??? I didn't know you were taking my picture! I thought you were just calling someone! Did I give you permission to take my picture and publish it? Get out of my bed, NOW!!"
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That or if your girlfriend calls, and asks you to prove you're really at XX location by taking a picture.
My cellphone often serves as a tracking device, call display helps but it's still annoying. Cameras have a potential to be evil!
Keys, keys, keys!! (Score:5, Insightful)
For me, there is only one feature on a phone that really counts: the keys.
The best keypad I've used was on the Nokia 8310/8210 handsets: tough, precise, no wobble, consistent springiness, rectangular keytops.
The Sony Ericsson T65i has a really unpleasant set of wobbly keys, with inconsistently stiff springs. Similarly the latest Nokia handsets all have horrid keys.
you use Keys, keys, keys? (Score:1)
I have not used the keypad in a while, my T68i joystick is great if anyone here has used the SPV from Microsoft will know that a good joystick is a must have
I write my SMS's on my mac alot of the time and use bluetooth but hey I am a geek yes keys are nice but they can often be not needed depending on who you target it at
Nokia release phones with SyncML but you need to use a cable ?? No Bluetooth thats plain stupid they seem to be going for the girls with this phone nokia has always targeted segments very well but they might just lose the market if they dont start putting bluetooth in asap and get a sync actually Works and go back to clip on covers
I saw a girl in the bar writeing out all her contacts onto paper I asked what phone she was getting next and she said any one that could back up all her numbers !
carriers are missing a BIG revenue stream here offer a backup sync server service with all your numbers and you get customers locked in and if you use SyncML you get to use any modern phone why dont they do this ?
regards
John Jones
p.s. phones should have all have a IPv6 address IMHO
I call FUD! (Score:2)
Surely, you're kidding? All Nokia phones can backup your contacts/addresses to another handset wirelessly using IR -- no cable required. Any good retailer with Nokia stock will offer to do this for their customers when they buy a new handset. Anyway, I don't need Bluetooth; for me it's a waste of time and battery power, so I turn it off.
mac/laptop/pda: In many urban areas of the world, to use a mobile phone handset in public is to risk inviting a street robbery. In my capital city (not an atypical city), only a fool would also carry a laptop/PDA in public because that amplifies the robbery risk. If you don't believe that, check out the police robbery statistics (sometimes broken down into a category for theft of phone handsets) for major cities in most of the G8 countries. Anyway, not many people I know like carrying more than one gadget at a time.
Yes, the T68i's joystick is fun and sometimes even useful but the joystick is almost useless for writing text. I also find predictive text input on all phones to be very ineffective. The other real problem with every Sony/Ericsson T68i/T68/T9000/T(any model you like) handset is that they have slowWWWW responses compared to Nokias -- every menu, every keypress, every joystick movement gives a lagged response. I don't think a 250+msecs lag is acceptable. The Nokia 8210/8310 handsets have delightfully quick responses.
Here's a scary thought (Score:1, Offtopic)
Nokia 7250 (Score:2, Funny)
Business users and nerds steer clear. (Score:5, Interesting)
This is undoubtedly a cool phone, and adds a bit of flair to Nokia's now-tired cellphone design (we've had to put with it for about 6 years here in Europe) but relating this to our previous discussion, are these features actually any use to business users?
I'm undecided. Stereo sound is pretty useless, color screens are pretty useless, FM radio is useless, and multiple color schemes? Please. Business users don't need that crap.
It seems like this phone has been decided to be the 'latest trendy thing' rather than something a nerd could have any real use for.
Having a tiny digital camera on hand is a great idea, to take pictures of number plates, crooks, and what not.. but it's not good enough res to be used professionally.
Tri-band is useful for the international traveller.. but where's the 3G? 3G is going live in the UK as we speak, and it's a waste of money buying a phone that can't deal with it.
Yup, this is just a phone for the socialites.
(P.S. Did you realise there's a $10,000 Nokia cellphone made in gold with encrusted diamonds.. not bullshitting, seen a number of stories about celebrities buying them. Anyone know what they're called?)
Re:Business users and nerds steer clear. (Score:1, Interesting)
(P.S. Did you realise there's a $10,000 Nokia cellphone made in gold with encrusted diamonds.. not bullshitting, seen a number of stories about celebrities buying them. Anyone know what they're called?)
You want to look at vertu [vertu.com] They are enormous. If you live in London, you can see them for sale at Selfridges.
It seems a great deal of money for something that you can easily leave in a cab.
Re:Business users and nerds steer clear. (Score:4, Funny)
People who can afford to drop that kind of coin on a frickin' mobile phone do not take cabs very often, more like limos.
I'd be more worried about dropping the thing. For $10000, it had better detect sudden acceleration due to gravity and trigger an onboard anti-gravity field generator to stop the fall.
~Philly
Re:Business users and nerds steer clear. (Score:2)
I also know of somebody who dropped his 3210 from the fourth floor of a building and still had it working.
But then both of these are of the "bigger" kind , wonder how a 7210 behaves.
Re:Business users and nerds steer clear. (Score:5, Funny)
Vertu [vertu.com]. I believe it is Latin for "person with too much money." I mean, that is like Krusty the Clown-level conspicuous consumption.
~Philly
Re:Business users and nerds steer clear. (Score:2)
Another post typical of American arrogance. You are so ignorant of the fact that when it comes to mobile phones it is a completely different culture in other regions of the world - UK, Asia, Australia.
As for your 3G comment, you clearly have no idea. 3G (3GSM/UMTS) networks are going live, in current GSM-Phase2+ countries, but GSM-Phase2+ is going to be around for a very long time. In fact 3GSM is just another evolution really on top of EDGE, which in turn was an evolution upon GPRS. Most newer handsets supporting UMTS can transparently roam GSM/GPRS/EGPRS networks and even hand over whilst in a CSD connection.
It will be a significant amount of time before the UMTS networks will have a coverage footprint even on the same scale as GSM.
OHH say can you see.. by the dawn's early light.. (Score:1)
Wow, I'm honored. My attempts, as a European, to appear American are not going unnoticed!
Drop the arrogance bit though, us wannabe-Americans aren't arrogant, we're direct.
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Re:Business users and nerds steer clear. (Score:1)
But seriously, its pretty obvious that this is not a business phone. With sound, color and a camera, its mostly for personal, non-business use. Why not evaluate it on its <i>intended</i> purpose instead of evaluating it on some other completely different purpose and then loudly complain that it doesn't fit?
The camera is not good enough to be used professionally! What an amazing observation. No, I think this is a great phone for its intended purpose. I don't think its revolutionary enough to talk about on
Re:Business users and nerds steer clear. (Score:1)
No Bluetooth == Useless.... (Score:4, Interesting)
When will Nokia get on the ball? Bluetooth is too fun for stuff like phonelist/addressbook syncing, remote-controlling your Mac (cheap slideshow clcker, iTunes controller), doing GPRS dialup, wireless headset, wireless carphone, etc.
Now that I'm one of a handful of techies who just landed a job in NYC (thank you, thank you
And yes, I would LOVE LOVE LOVE a PDA with a thin HDD that had bluetooth, gps, gsm, a mic and camera, et al. Even if you could only use the phone functionality with a bluetooth headset. Maybe it could come with a stereo wireless headset with noise cancellation, bluetooth enabled so you could listen to music and it would pause when you place/receive a call...
Re:No Bluetooth == Useless.... (Score:2)
Available at T-Mobile soon, I believe. The thing's shipping.
More info & pics (Score:4, Informative)
http://www.mobile-review.com/review/nokia-
Pics taken with it:
http://tude.tripod.com/temp.html
http://www
Can someone tell my why people want camera phones? (Score:4, Insightful)
Nowadays it's all about how big the screen is and games and camera abilities and bluetooth and all sorts of irrelevant crap. Make the damn phone work so it sounds good when I'm talking to people!!
Besides, I can get a digital camera that will produce nice 6X8 pictures for about $150, so why pay $400 for a phone that has all sorts of bells and whistles, will take small crappy pictures, and sound like crap when I'm talking to someone? I just don't get it.
Re:Can someone tell my why people want camera phon (Score:1)
Re:Can someone tell my why people want camera phon (Score:1)
I just have to find a new battery since the current one is beginning to show its age.
Re:Can someone tell my why people want camera phon (Score:1)
Re:Can someone tell my why people want camera phon (Score:1)
Re:Can someone tell my why people want camera phon (Score:2)
I used to agree. Then I happened to be around several girls at a time when everyone else was pulling out cameras. I suddenly realised that I rarely take pictures so I don't have a camera. If it was in the phone it would be there. Better yet, it would be there not just when I expect to want a picture and so brought along my camera (which would be better quality if I had one), but also those time when I didn't expect to want to, so I reduced bulk by not carring it.
After that I suddenly realised that I use the calculator on my phone almost as much as I use the voice features! I wish I had scientific functions, because I've wanted them. Sure I could carry a full calculator, but often I don't need one.
PDAs are better than the PIM in cell phones, but then you have to carry it with you. I've already suggested above that gagets are a pain to carry around. With a cell phone that does everyone, I have all the gagets I need. If I'm the type of person uses a PDA all the time I'll carry both, but I rarely need a PDA (a couple times a month!), so I don't have one, so the cell phone compromise is good enough.
And don't forget that if the gaget breaks, you still have a cell phone backup to get you by. (Unless it is the cell phone that breaks, I'm not sure what you do there)
In conclusion, a cell phone may be the worst of all other worlds, but it is still good enough.
Re:Can someone tell my why people want camera phon (Score:1)
Re:Can someone tell my why people want camera phon (Score:1)
I agree with you on almost all points, except for the Bluetooth: that is actually useful for easy synchronizing of phone numbers with your computer/PDA.
JP
Re:Can someone tell my why people want camera phon (Score:2)
That said, as an app developer, I'm waiting for the 3650. Mmmmm, 4 MB of heap for my MIDP....
Jouster
Bluetooth and security (Score:2)
Bluetooth is cool and all, just be aware that bluetooth have basically no security at all, AFAIK
Re:Bluetooth and security (Score:1)
There's nothing wrong with the security of bluetooth. Frequency-hopping and encrypted, just as a start.
Re:Bluetooth and security (Score:2)
Last year I had a conversation with an engineer involved with security for the Bluetooth wireless protocol. I told him that Bluetooth has only privacy and not per-packet authentication. He responded with the prototypical lame responses: 1) pseudorandom frequency hopping makes it "nearly impossible" for an attacker to get in, and 2) the range is only 8 feet, so the attacks are naturally limited.
I tried to argue the point, but eventually gave up. Then I said something like: "I can hardly wait for Bluetooth to become universal, because I really want a wireless keyboard and mouse with the "base station" built into my computer." He said: "Yes, but you really probably don't want to use Bluetooth for that, because then somebody could stuff keystrokes or mouse clicks into your system." I didn't know whether to laugh or cry. Talk about not getting it.
Re:Bluetooth and security (Score:1)
Re:Bluetooth and security (Score:2)
Yes, I should have been more specific in my previous post, sorry.
Next, you're wrong. Read the reply from spinlocked. Also, I've just watched (real stream) a lecture from PHK (FreeBSD kernel developer, http://people.freebsd.org/~phk/ - basically, he knows what he's talking about...), I could give you a link, but it's in Danish so you will not understand it. However, in this lecture (presenting FreeBSD 5.0), he also talks about Bluetooth and he is certainly not impressed. Some guy had tried to walk around at a conference somewhere to see what he was able to connect to. Among other things he catched two guys standing next to each other, talking (not over the phone, of course) and they apparently both had Bluetooth enabled phones. He made the one phone call the other one :) ;)
Is that your idea of good security?
According to him, firewire also have a big security hole. You apparently get read and write access to the memory of a machine when you connect with firewire. Quite sad actually because other than that, Firewire is actually a quite cool technology.
Re:Bluetooth and security (Score:1)
I'm also seriously doubting the story about placing a phonecall via external connection over bluetooth.
Re:Bluetooth and security (Score:2)
Linux Forum 2003 - Live webcasting: http://linuxforum.mmmanager.net/
How about a decent keypad ? (Score:2)
Either the key pad is usually too small, bunched up, or really really hard to push. And on some really annoying phones, a combination of all three!
I honestly don't care about cameras that will only invade my privacy some more. I just want a decent keypad.
Sunny Dubey
Does it do SSH? (Score:1)
I know the keypay would be less than optimalk, but i don't want a huge phone.
Maybe a ssh via a Java program on this phone?
Re:Does it do SSH? (Score:2, Funny)
Given you're having problems with a conventional keyboard (as far as I know) perhaps you're being over optimistic.
Please, people! (Score:3, Funny)
Small keypads unusable? (Score:1)
I have thick fingers (comes with being 6'3"), and I find that the buttons on my Nokia 3310 are only just big enough to be useable.
Button size is a very important factor for me, not just for entering phone numbers but for entering SMS messages (I SMS very frequently).
Woman with long finger nails might have the same problem too.
simpsons (Score:4, Funny)
BeeBleep! BurpBleep Bleep!
Operator: The fingers you have used to dial are too fat. To obtain a special dialing wand, please mash the keypad with your palm
Phugly Phone (Score:2)
The new Matrix phone (Score:1)
But did anyone else browse around burn.com and find the news of the new Matrix phone? http://mobile.burn.com/news.jsp?Id=245 [burn.com]
I must say it's dissapointing, downright ugly. They should have sticked to Nokia...
My 6100 replaced my good, old 7110 - which I got after watching the Matrix - don't know of any other phones with a spring-loaded key-cover.
(btw, by activating a secret menu in the 7110, you can get access to a counter (in hex) that counts the number of times you have opened the cover. Mine was about 5000 or so, and still worked perfectly when in died mysteriously.)
Article on NYtimes (Score:1)
Please dear God! (Score:2)
here is my list
- GSM (triband is nice)
- SMALL..please, I have a Kyocera 6035 and it is a brick..
- integrated PIM (so I can download my Evolution address/calender)
- decent screen
- flip design, So I don't have to worry about phone + keys in the same pocket
- make entering Text easier (either by a virtual keyboard / good grafiti / what ever). Grow up from those T9 'predictive' input crap. That is so 90s. And it is a pain in the ___ to use.
make one and and price it below $300, and watch it while people sweep them from shelves.
I am still waiting for one (Sony-Eric, Nokia , Motorola..etc)
Stereo out - bi- aural telephony (Score:1)
I've always been uncomfortable with how the telephone pipes audio into only one ear/brain lobe at a time.
Back when we had landline phones, I once soldered a pair of headphones into one to get sound into both ears and the resulting experience was quite different. The sound of the speaker at the other end immerses you, as the sound seems to originate from within your head. To get the idea, just try listening to music with one ear first, then both.
Of course, current phones won't likely have faked 3D spatialization, or other DSP, but that could be a fun business. I call you up, pay
Or I could order up some background Barry White for those Phonecalls of Love.
Or fake being somewhere using a suitable ambience.
Or, whatever
J
Battery replacable? (Score:1)
As bad as 7650/7210? (Score:1)
The GPS (Score:2)
Yes I knwo alot of people will say.. use a GPS navation.. but I want this feature to be in a phone. Any inputer or perhaps on others phones avaialbe on the market? Thanks