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MSNBC Reviews the Sharp Zaurus 122

Khalid sent in a link to this review of the Sharp Zaurus. They only noted a few flaws, such as the synchronization being harder than necessary, and generally seemed to like it, at least better than the Wall Street Journal columnist did.
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MSNBC Reviews the Sharp Zaurus

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  • A nice sign, at least.
  • by pheph ( 234655 ) on Saturday August 10, 2002 @04:03AM (#4044769) Homepage
    I've been looking for a cellular wireless internet solution for a while (Palm VII didn't cut it) and the Zaurus seems very expandable. Does anyone have any experience with the Zaurus and/or Verizon 3G (or any other cellular internet service?).
    • Personally, I am just waiting for the next generation of Nokia Communicator, it has no bells and whistles, but the concept works, thecurrent generation [nokia.com] already, after the bug fixes, does the job rather well, but lacks resources and bandwidth.
      • My friend's got one of those, and the only complaint I get from him is the 14.4 speed limit on the modem.

        And the fact that he has to use voicestream.

        And that it cost 600 bucks.

        But he said the first one had something to do with a limit of the GSM. I dunno about that, literally. Anything. Neither does he.
    • I don't have a Zaurus, but Bluetooth has proved to be a good way to connect a Palm and an Ericsson T68 phone (running GPRS, a bit like CDMA2000 only slower, i.e. both are always-on packet based technologies). It's nice to be able to connect to the Internet without taking the phone out of my pocket. However, make sure you get a phone with recent firmware that can be re-flashed when necessary - my Nov 2001 vintage T68 frequently needs rebooting due to a flaky GPRS stack, and CDMA2000 stacks will probably be similar.

      There are several Bluetooth stacks for Linux, and quite a few Bluetooth CF cards, so I would expect that this is feasible on the Zaurus (if not now, then soon). There is a GPRS HOWTO for Linux that can probably be adapted for CDMA2000 - if the latter works like GPRS, you run a PPP connection from the Linux system to the phone, which terminates the PPP there and then routes packets over GPRS/CDMA2000. With GPRS, you have an IP tunnel that stays up, so you keep the same IP address, albeit dynamically allocated, as you move between cells - the tunnel is re-built as you move from one local GPRS node (SGSN) to another.

      CDMA2000 has a simpler architecture that may not need all this tunnelling (IIRC) and is more IP centric. It probably has a session concept, like GPRS, in that the wireless operator needs to authenticate you for billing purposes - but you just pay for bytes transferred, not for the time the session is open.

      One thing to watch out for is that the PPP session, and hence the CDMA2000 session, is kept open when you turn the Zaurus off - Palm devices are stuck in the 2G world at present and disconnect the PPP & GPRS sessions for no good reason when you hit the Power button. Apparently Pocket PC devices do this better, which makes much more sense for GPRS/CDMA2000 - creating a GPRS session can take 10-15 seconds and sometimes fails, whereas sending a packet on an open session should take less than a second (takes a bit of time to acquire radio medium for the first packet in a while, subsequent packets are faster).

      Hopefully some of this is useful background. Linux is probably a great platform for this sort of thing, because it is so open to tweaking and experimentation, and of course has a lot of IP applications already ported. Don't expect to run servers though - all GPRS phones are behind NAT devices due to the sheer volume of always-on users. At least until we get IPv6, which is probably only with much later 3G releases (CDMA2000, and UMTS in Europe/Asia)...

    • I don't have any experience with the cellular side of the Zaurus, but I am writihg this wireless from my Zaurus. The wireless connection is great and very easy to confiqure. I'm using theLinksys WAP and cf card. As far as the PDA features, the Zaurus has everything you would expect. I've also installed VNC on it as well as an FTP client and even Konqueror. The only complaint I have so far is that the sync setup for my machine was irritating. It worked first time on my wife's (similarly configured) machine. Eventually got it working though. Then I beamed all of the data from my Palm III and away I went.
  • the article was written by by a knowledgable techie and so obviosuly he would like a powerful handheld... the problem with this is that these are nice but a bit bulky and someone who doesn't want to run linux programs might not be so impressed... im not saying its a bad product but i am saying i hope that others find it to be just as useful or else we might never see another linux handheld again...
    • I own one (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Balazs ( 18529 ) <balazs@t[ ]at ['ud.' in gap]> on Saturday August 10, 2002 @04:21AM (#4044801) Homepage
      Why bulky? (I have a Zaurus and have seen it together with Pocket PC's and Palms.) The Zaurus is about the same size.

      Most people don't care if they run Linux or some other programs on their PDA as long as they get their work done.

      *I*, however, *do* care because that means that I can use the same programs on the desktop and the handheld. My (Windows-using) techie collegues are amazed when they see that I can VNC into the Zaurus, or ssh into it and manage files with MC, or make backups with ssh+tar+bzip2.

      You find lots of software. IPSEC kernel? Apache with PHP so you can develop wherever you are? Vim? Python? MC? mplayer? ogg player? Doom?
      Everything there.
      • I agree. I'm very tempted to get a Zaurus so I can do Perl development under Apache... You could even do mod_perl in your pocket - a far cry from the Palm where only mickey-mouse web servers are available, and no Perl.
  • I mean - c'mon. I only want a few things:

    1) GBA type game functionality
    2) An address book that synchs with my desktop and email system
    3) Functional, worldwide, wireless broadband (this isn't really a part of the PDA itself, it just doesn't exist yet)
    4) A way to input text that is private and equally fast to touch typing

    #2 and 4 are already well past developed, 1 has no business implications, and 3 isn't going to happen until god knows when - but in all reality (and I mean wireless broadband scattered across Alasakan wilderness) I don't see it happening for another 20 years or more.

    So it runs Linux. Great. That Samsung box that lets me remotely administer unix boxes looks even better - but until all my requirements are met, I'm not upgrading from my POS Palm III.

    • 1. You can run a gameboy emulator on the Zarus.
      3. You don't really need wireless access in the Alaskan wilderness. There are providers who will definately cover you almost everywhere you'll really go.
    • by Anonymous Coward
      Why sync? Why not just use wireless LAN / bluetooth->mobilephone->3G/GPRS->Internet , and access an online calendar, todolist, email, etc.. No need for sync in a perfect world!

      And regarding games; Since it runs linux and is open source, lots of people have developed games for it. Ex: Doom, Quake, FreeCiv (Civilization clone), scummVM (enables you to run monkey island 1&2, fate of atlantis, day of the tentacle, full throttle, sam & max, etc), and many many more.

      Check out: http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ (under ex. "Games" there are 75(!) games)
      • Even if you have great wireless LAN/WAN (802.11b/Bluetooth/3G/GPRS) connectivity, there will always be times when the wireless link is down, or simply too congested to be used (happens a lot at peak times and in busy cells with GPRS at present, since it competes with profitable voice calls).

        The ideal wireless app, IMO, does background syncing, so that at any time you can (check email/check calendar/find contacts/etc). Vindigo and AvantGo for the Palm work like this (except you need to tell them to sync), meaning you always have Vindigo's database of restaurants/bars/movies (including local cinemas), and Avantgo's news/magazine pages. Very convenient...

        RIM's Blackberry email device works like this, meaning you can write emails when out of coverage and it will then send/receive emails as soon as it gets into coverage. I think this is one reason it is so successful - the wireless connection is automatic and it essentially hides any coverage issues from the user.

  • by Anonymous Coward
    Someone here doubted Walter Mossberg's inegrity. Sorry, it holds.

    This is a brief excerpt from his previous review of StarOffice (also found at wsj):

    "As for ease of use, the StarOffice interface is OK. There are customizable toolbars at both the top and side of the screen, and floating windows to help you navigate a long document or apply formatting styles. There's even a nice feature Word lacks that allows the program to automatically complete words you've used before.

    But StarOffice is riddled with extra steps, complex techno-babble and odd behavior. When you first fire up the word processor, you're asked to select an "address data source," which means an address book the program can use to insert addresses -- hardly a daily function. And the choices include "LDAP," a techie term referring to network or online address databases.

    Options screens include mind-boggling choices like "memory per object" and "Use OpenGL." My favorite: "size optimization for XML format (no pretty printing)." In my copy, the default settings were set to use centimeters and German, instead of inches and English.

    Many things are unnecessarily complicated. For instance, in Microsoft Word, if you want to insert page numbers in a document, you just go to the "insert" menu, select "page numbers," choose where you want them on the page and how you want them aligned, and you're done. In StarOffice, you have to know a page number is a "field" and then, when you find the proper command in the insert menu under "fields," the program just inserts the phrase "page numbers" wherever your cursor is, unless you manually created a header or footer.

    Some features worked erratically. Entire toolbars sometimes disappeared for reasons I couldn't deduce. The spell-checker sometimes didn't work."

    • You mean it works a bit differently than Office and you had to go learn something!


      Consider this take - I hadn't used it either, and my son had a term paper to do. He had never used a word processor in his life before. So he learned on OpenOffice. He thinks that page numbers are fields and that is the way it's suppossed to be! I also went to the trouble of installing OpenOffice on all the PC's in his class room. The teacher thought it was GREAT to get Office software for free!


      Now if the rest of the school wasn't covered with old Macs - I'd complete the conversion!

  • Just Got Mine (Score:2, Informative)

    by abombss ( 546844 )
    I just bought mine last week at Best Buy, only $250 bucks!!!! They were on clearance and I got their demo model. Not a shabby deal. I absolutly love it. I am planning on flashing OpenZaurus this weekend. Its good to see the Linux PDA marekt getting a little pub!
    peace...
  • What good is a Linux PDA that doesn't sync with Linux desktops? Form the FAQ: What operating systems is the Zaurus SL-5500 synchronisation software compatible with? The Zaurus SL-5500 synchronisation software is compatible with Microsoft® Windows® 98, 98SE, Millennium, 2000 Professional, XP and NT 4.0 with SP6.
    • The QTopiaDesktop software does exist for Linux, it's even free (beer). It can sync with the Zaurus over USB.
      QTopiaDesktop HOWTO [zauruszone.com]

      Other option: You can use KDE's KOrganizer on the Zaurus and synchronize it over TCP-over-USB with the KOrganizer on your PC.
      KOrganizer and sync scripts [killefiz.de]
    • by Anonymous Coward
      You have to download the linux synchronization software yourself.

      http://www.trolltech.com/developer/download/qtop ia .html?cr=1
    • Why sync? (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward
      Why is everybody talking about syncing. Syncing sucks. With this linux PDA, i can use wireless lan att my work, school and home to acces my online calendars, todolists and email. NO SYNC! Real time information. It rocks!
      • That's great until you go out of coverage or the wireless LAN breaks... Syncing is not going to go away, it's just going to become a continuous background activity, ensuring your data is always accessible on your device and always backed up on a server.
    • I sync my Zaurus with linux box everyday via my 802.11 card. It works well.

      However, that is not the syncing issues that people have been complaining about. The problems are poor syncing software in terms of its intelligence. The protocol does not support enough variations and causes data to be lost because it can't figure out what has changed in all cases.
    • it got linux, ergo ssh (scp), ftp, nfs.....

      and i do agree with my peer poster, sync is stupid when u can just network it like any other computer.
    • What good is a Linux PDA that doesn't sync with Linux desktops?

      This is bloody strange, since I've been syncing my Z with my desktop for a while now. Getting it set up can be a bit of a pain, but when it's set, it Just Works. How to get the Z syncing under Linux [gllug.org].

      My main complaint with the thing so far is that Opera is a bloated sack... really, if I open a 400K HTML document with simple formatting (<p>, <b>, <i>, <h1> through <h3>) Opera on the Z takes 10 to 15 seconds to scroll down one screen. Maybe later I should try Konq-embedded on it, but I've had the device for less than a week...

  • It can play Ogg Vorbis with tkcPlayer :) Wheeee!

    --
    GCP
  • by RedElf ( 249078 )
    I've been using linux for approximately 3 years now, and I still can't find a reason why I want linux on my pda past the "cool" factor which really translates to "geek" factor in this case. I have a palm m505 which I can do just about anything on, including playing short video clips [tealpoint.com] (Impressive considering how much slower these processors are compared to that of the PocketPC PDAs. Of course, those of us in the "know" can't wait for the next Palm to come out its going to totally rock the scale for multimedia ;) Linux is good for servers [redelf.net] folks, it makes an Ok desktop [themes.org], and I can't see how it would be all that useful on a PDA! [palm.com]
    • by SuperCal ( 549671 ) on Saturday August 10, 2002 @05:25AM (#4044885) Homepage
      Think of the Zaurus as a mixture of a PDA and a Palmtop(think toshiba Liberetto). You get the basic functionality you need out of a PDA... instant on, PIM functions, ect... You also get most of the full feature applications you want. Supposedly because it uses Linux many applications whould only require a simple recompile. I havn't found it that easy, but everything I need has already been ported. I used to carry a palm for phone numbers and a datebook, along with a laptop for divx and connecting to my companies network. Now I use Zaurus' built in PIM and installed The Kompany's video player as well as a terminal emulator for work. Its great.
    • by Anonymous Coward
      If you don't understand why people are using Linux in embedded products then you don't really understand what's good about Linux.

      Anyway, it's not just Linux on a PDA though, they have taken the core of the Linux OS and combined it with a custom PDA interface that supports Java.

      Linux is open source which allows such things to be created without license fees. Can you imagine them trying to get hold of WinCE and alter that code base? the license costs would be in the millions or billions.
    • > ... and I can't see how it would be all that useful on a PDA!

      First, make yourself realize what is Linux cause it's easy to understand it only as the incarnations you see most often, like a webserver, or on desktop, or even in a cashier. But then, when you really understand that it is a codebase that you can twist to do about anything, then answer the question: in which purpose it is NOT all that useful. I can not come up with many, maybe - for now - only some cases in which a "really-really" tru real-time extremely-low-latency operating system is needed.

    • Why Not?

      I find it very impressive that my PDA is running pretty much the exact same OS that my desktop is, and its not bloated. You can't find that with PocketPC. From a development standpoint it truely shows how versatile Linux really is.

      Linux also means Open Source. You now can do whatever you want with your PDA and your not bound by some overweight MS product. Sharp has also been very good with providing docs and supporting the open Linux enviroment.

      peace...
      abombss

  • It's too heavy (Score:3, Insightful)

    by ClubPetey ( 324486 ) <clubpetey@@@yahoo...com> on Saturday August 10, 2002 @05:59AM (#4044927)
    The main problem I have with the Zarus is that it is FAR heavier than it competitors. I can't carry it around in my pocket, so what good is it?

    • According to the spec, the Zaurus weighs 7.3oz (6.3 without the cover). A Palm i705 (which would be the compatible model, since you can do wireless with a Zaurus) weighs 5.9oz. An m515 weighs 4.9oz.

      An iPaq 3765 weighs 6.7oz. The 3975 weighs 6.5oz.

      A jornada 728 weighs 1.1 pounds.

      I'm not sure I'd consider roughly 1.5oz (take the cover off the Z) difference between the Z and a Palm as "FAR heavier". The other comparable models are indeed heavier than the Z.

    • Heavy? Perhaps compared to a PalmOS device. I've been I carry a Zaurus with me everywhere, everyday, and do not find it 'heavy' in the least.
  • It would be very interesting to know what is the manufacturing cost per unit, when the Zaurus really enters mass production. Did the Linux choice make it significantly cheaper? And what kind of effect did the choice have on development costs. There must be some developers who participated in doing this out there, leak some info, please :))
  • I would buy a Zaurus immediately if I could run PalmOS programs on it, because all my friends run PalmOS. Since it runs Linux, I recon it shouldn't be too hard to program a Palm emulator, should it?
    • by kroyd ( 29866 ) on Saturday August 10, 2002 @08:25AM (#4045099)
      See http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=122 for a Palm emulator in full color and http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=236 for a more "retro" b/w version.


      IMHO Linux on a palmtop makes perfect sense as the palmtop market isn't as strongly under the Microsoft thumb as the desktop PC market. On a level playing field, where vendors must compete on price and features, not "how fast does it run Microsoft Office" the co-operative nature and free licencing of Linux should be a big strength.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 10, 2002 @07:06AM (#4045005)
    After browsing the replies here, I found that most slashdot users have little, or no, idea
    of what the zaurus really can do.

    1) It is cheaper than similar (hardware-wise) PDAs from compaq, etc

    2) The sync application is not so good, but since being open source, lots of people are developing alternative versions. But IMOHO syncing is inecessary. I use a wireless-LAN CF card when I am in school/home/work, and I will get myself a bluetooth card later for wireless internet "on the go": Zaurus ("Z")->Bluetooth->Ericsson T39m->GPRS/3G->INTERNET. With Internetaccess I can use my central (web)calendar, todolists, and access email/IRC, without the need to sync or fiddle anything at all. The whole concept of syncing is
    wrong; It is much better to have a central copy on a server (wich is backuped).

    3) With the Zaurus you get an powerful Linux system right in your pocket. Possibilities to run apache, PHP, mysql, LOTS of games, LOTS of other programs (such as media players, etc), you can mount samba/NFS partitions and much more!!

    Before you say "Zaurus runt linux, so what, it sux", go and have a read at: http://killefiz.de/zaurus/

    4) The support is, since being opensource, GREAT, Just headover to www.zauruszone.com and ask whatever you want. The community is often more competent than the average support personel, and you WILL gett answers to your problems and a solution (please contribute and answer to other peoples questions later when you have knowledge).
    (Like in communism - From each according to his ability, to each according to his need)

    IHMOHO the "Z" is the best thing that has happend since, I dont know what, color graphics?. :) Now the "future is truly here". ;)
    • 3) With the Zaurus you get an powerful Linux system right in your pocket.
      Possibilities to run apache, PHP, mysql, LOTS of games, LOTS
      of other programs (such as media players, etc), you can mount samba/NFS partitions
      and much more!!


      How exactly does one run Apache and mySQL on a PDA? What would be the applications of it in the real world?

      I think you're overselling it. While it's a good toy, it's definately not a webserver. Some things are just not meant to be on a PDA.
      • How exactly does one run Apache and mySQL on a PDA? What would be the applications of it in the real world?

        There sure are a lot of geeks that do Linux development. Imagine being able to take your whole development environment, with exactly the same tools you use on a PC, stick it in your pocket and take it wherever you go. Remember the Zaurus even has a small, but perfectly-formed keyboard. Why bother with a laptop?

        As for how to run Apache and MySQL, it's simple: just install the packages, like you would on any other Linux system. You wouldn't get much space for the database with the Zaurus' memory, but it would be plenty for most development and testing.

  • in our household, we have a zaurus, running linux (bought last week) and two cassiopeia e-125's (bought several months ago) ...

    we're all programmers. each of us with a pda. but i can tell you, if you wanna program on the damn things, linux beats windows ... why? well, you've got more options.

    for the casio's, we've got:
    -python 1.x interpreter (hey, it's amusing, okay?)
    -the microsoft SDK (3.0 and 4.0, more on that later.)
    -vb (don't ... just don't.)

    for the zaurus, we've got:
    -everything you could imagine.

    let me expand on that -- because the linux pda runs Qt natively, you can use the Qt-[Borland-Builder-esque] designer to build applications. it's great. it's c++, and the framework doesn't suck. didn't take long, and if you're used to Borland Builder ... you're all set (how did they not get sued?) You can also shrug off the help of a GUI, and use your favorite gcc, with cross-compilation support. You can also install all sorts of interpreters on it. You can install a webserver and php, for example. Python, perl ... whatever. Recompile, and push to the pda. Or even better, install gcc on the pda, and compile there! (okay, maybe not -- it's not the fastest thing around.)

    Now, for windows ... how many of you actually -love- win32api calls that are broken, the ability to develop -only- under nt/w2k/xp (yes, we're running it, but c'mon ... choices?) and the fact that you pretty much have to use eMbedded Visual Studio to do your work? It's a pain ... but it does work. You just don't have many options. The VB thing is easy to use, but for those of us who hate VB, there's still C++ ... only ... it's really not helpful. At all. It would help if we had a bit more experience with visual studio ... but as we use it only for command-line apps, and run to builder for anything window-y ... well ... we've already got a bias against it.

    Okay, so maybe we suck at visual studio. But at least the Zaurus offers a -lot- of options for creating your own programs. No, you won't be able to just port your X apps to it directly (it -is- Qt, not X.)

    Did i mention it was cool to just ftp to your zaurus, etc.? Cassiopeia support under linux is this: take the CF card out ... insert into CF card reader, mount it (in my case, it thinks it's sda1) and have fun that way.
  • Sharp RIp-off (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward
    The problem with the Zaurus for many people is that Sharp is blatantly trying to rip them off.

    The Sharp is reasonably priced at $380, but for us ( Europeans ) it costs $580 ! ( ex tax )

    This is not free-market economics - it is exploitation by cartels, and the EU has just legislated on car pricing.
    It is time they did likewise with electronics.

    Until then we can simply refuse to buy clearly overpriced goods.
    • Yep, I just browsed some US price lists, and my eyes nearly popped out. I'm still considering getting a Zaurus, but man, we're really getting ripped off here. Seems to be a common trend in the PDA market, though, another PDA I'm considering, the Toshiba e310 (cute thing), is also vastly more expensive in Europe than in the US.
  • I'm glad to see that the Zaurus is getting some positive press. I've been working with one (developer version) since last November and it has come a long way. It still suffers from the OSS development process, i.e. there is some wicked cool stuff out there, but there are also gaping holes in functionality (like syncing).

    Sharp has done a pretty good job, but it is companies like The Kompany [thekompany.com] that are really making the Zaurus a quality pda.

    It hasn't been smooth, but it has been moving forward.
  • So far I find my Zaurus to be really useful. When out and about I use it as an mp3 player, play games on it, and my new hobby -- searching for wireless [kismetwireless.net] networks. At home I SSH into it and use it as if it was just another headless linux box. It will be even better once the Debian port [debian.org] is complete and there is easy access to all of the Debian Arm packages.
  • Flash your Sharp Zaurus to use the open source openzaurus [sourceforge.net]
    based on the familiar [handhelds.org] distribution (which also runs on other devices such as an Ipaq)

    that runs the open source Open Palmtop Integated Environment [handhelds.org] environment. (which also runs on other devices such as an Ipaq)

    I've had no problems syncing. OpenZaurus does contain security patches not in the official Sharp rom, so syncing might not work, untill the sync software catches up.

  • by Anonymous Coward
    QNX is working on porting their OS to the Zaurus.

    http://qnx.wox.org/qnx/screenshots/eQip/zaurus-b oo t.jpg
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  • by peterdaly ( 123554 ) <petedaly.ix@netcom@com> on Saturday August 10, 2002 @10:23AM (#4045371)
    This journalist is nothing like the guy from the WSJ who gave the device such a bad rap. This guy mentions vi and ping in his review. He also tries it with 802.11b, which is where I believe this device really becomes a killer app.

    He claims 4-5 hours with 802.11b, which I thought was more than I remember hearing.

    Being a Java programmer, lots of options really open up for making this device do useful things. There are lots of really cool projects you could do, from controlling your server remotely, managing, and may be streaming your MP3's, run remote X sessions, etc. The thing is basically, as he says, a handheld computer which is not in the same league as most PDA's.

    Amazon has them for $439 and change: Sharp Zaurus SL-5500 [amazon.com] (affiliate link, so ya know)

    This device is on the list of toys, or tools, I want to get. It is good to see the prices are coming down toward a point I may consider purchasing one, even though I (as of yet) don't have a real useful purpose for it. It's still over $500 equipped with 802.11.

    -Pete
  • If a zaurus had a hard drive, I'd buy it.

    Yes, I know, it's a PDA, that flash memory is sufficient for many things, that I don't need to carry around the library of congress, etc, but still. I would like to be able to carry around a large collection of music, perhaps a movie in VCD or DivX format, many books, a small Linux image like the Progeny Net (debian) Installer ...

    This would have been a silly complaint not that long ago, but the iPod shows that it wouldn't take *that* much more space to do this ... perhaps a separate iPod-sized add on which is mostly battery? :)

    timothy
    • Depends on how much data you want to carry around. The Zaurus has a CF slot *and* an SD slot. Stick in a 1Gig micro drive and one of the newer 512M SD [tigerdirect.com] cards and you can have 1.5Gig of data to cart around.

      I am running mine with a 64M MMC card (partitioned with a 32M swap) and a 256M CF card. Haven't run out of room yet.

  • Over the years, Sharp never joined the Palm or Windows CE/Pocket PC bandwagons -- opting for a proprietary operating system

    From reading this is sounds like Sharp usually goes with proprietory operating systems, as opposed to the free and open Windows CE/PocketPC and PalmOS? I'm pretty sure Windows CE/Pocket PC and PalmOS are proprietory.
    • You are not reading this wrong, the author has miss-stated the situation. What he intended to state was Over the years Sharp has never joined the PalmOS or WinCE/PocketPC bandwagons -- opting for an operating system they have built internally or farmed out to one of their subsidiaries and not re-distributed.

      They are far from the only company to do that. I doubt that the setback thermostat, your microwave, your car or your TV uses an open source operating system, or even wince/poktpc or PalmOS. None of them really need that power or overhead.

      This may change in the future, though I have no proof one way or the other.

      -Rusty
  • by perlow ( 451482 ) on Saturday August 10, 2002 @11:14AM (#4045528) Homepage
    Get em while they last! Make sure to get to the booth EARLY, cause at JavaOne this year we had 3-4 hour lines going around the BLOCK at Moscone.
  • This isn't a Wizard, it's Willard! hehehe

    Mike
  • My iPAQ does much the same with it's CF sleeve, and Linux [handhelds.org] installed on it, except with a MUCH shorter battery life (45 minutes with an Ambicom 802.11b card... ! ) and no keyboard. I'm thinking of selling my iPAQ and seeing what I can get off of eBay [ebay.com]....

    --j
  • I'd love running Linux on my handheld - having the same apps in my hand that run on my desk would rock! But I'm WAY too attached to my Kyocera Smartphone. I will never carry two (or more) devices again. Please Sharp - CDMA Module. Or better, put them together in the next version and leave the slots for an 802.11 card.
  • by Anonymous Coward
    I am completely uneducated about Linux, or any of it's variations. All I know that it is customizable, programmable, reliable, and FREE.

    I am a medical student, and for our school, we have to have a palm PDA with a palm OS on it. I am very close to buying a sony clie since all my school apps are written for palm os. I came across some palm emulators for linux, and was curious to know how well do they actually funcion, and how fast do they run on a PDA such as Sharp's.

    Also, has anyone had a chance to check out the POCKETEC (20, 30, or 40 GB usb external HD's that run with linux). www.pocketec.net
    I was curious to know that if I could use such device with the linux PDA. They say that it supports Linux Kernel 2.4+, and all it needs is a USB connection.

    If the HD would work with the PDA, and I could run palm OS emulator with some decent speed on it, I think that it would the best thing out there. (40GB on a PDA, I am drooling as I type :)

    Please let me know if what I talked about makes any sense. As soon as I find some time, I would love to learn to program Linux, but until then, I hope that I could get by being able to use this sharp pda with minimal Linux knowledge.

    Look forward to your responses.
    Thanks.
  • I've been looking for a audio recording device and on the verge of going back to minidisc.

    However, I, out of sheer idleness, would like to keep the process as digital as possible, hence the search for a digital recorder that would upload via USB (recording iPod would be ideal, Archos' box didn't really do it for me)...

    If this device could use a USB Audio-In device (say, iMic) then share the music via the wireless network at the office it would be a new breed of big and clever.

    Anyone with a better grasp on the Z and Linux audio help?

    tia
  • by Ilan Volow ( 539597 ) on Saturday August 10, 2002 @01:59PM (#4046468) Homepage
    I got a zaurus about 3 months ago. In some ways, it really points out both the incredible strengths of linux PDA's and the incredible weaknesses.
    • The really awesome thing about the zaurus is that you have the power to do things like create GUI based apps in python, which allows you to rapidly create useful mobile apps and not have to worry about things like memory management and cross compilation. It really takes the edge off of doing PDA development. I wrote a program to keep track of what I eat making use of python + xml + qt. There is no chance in hell I could have done that with a 33mhz dragonball.

    • The problem with the zaurus is that there are very serious usability problems with the zaurus UI. Mossberg was absolutely 100% right when he said the zaurus is hard to use. Trolltech (with Qt embedded) and sharp (with their hardware design) has given absolutely no thought to making their products usable. Most of the glowing reviews of the zaurus interface you will see are given by entrenched techies who pride themselves on being to stumble their way through badly designed interfaces and decry anyone who finds a UI confusing or ambiguous as "not wanting to learn". Or they equate the zaurus' aesthetic beauty with usability (again, the "purty == usable" stupidity we see in so much Free Software these days). The reason why the Palm UI gets such a glowing review is that palm creator Jeff Hawkins designed the interface (both hardware-wise and software-wise) before he ever wrote a line of code or manufactured the hardware. He crafted a block of wood in the shape of the palm, whittled down a chopstick for a stylus, and carried the mockup around with him everywhere he went to ponder how the Palm UI should be designed. In the HCI world, we call this "preliminary task analysis", and it's obviously something that sharp and trolltech haven't done in the slightest. To read more about why the PalmOS UI still kicks the crap out of the zaurus UI, read the Zen of Palm [palmos.com] and then try to find a document of equivalent enlightenment and quality relating to the zaurus.

    For developing custom applications very quickly, the zaurus kicks booty, but it would be irresponsible to suggest to someone the zaurus as something you could use for phone numbers or schedules, no matter how many other cool features it has.

    Note: Right now, the linux community is in hardcore denial about usability problems in general, and any attempt to deny the truth of this post only further proves the truth of it.
  • I just bought one of these fine units (Best Buy - $284, open box / $25 rebate) and am loving it. I almost ended up buying a Jornada 568 but am very glad I didn't!

    This unit is polished from OS to physical fit and finish. The Zaurus feels great in the hand, very sturdy and the hidden keyboard just plain rocks. Two thumb typing is easier than one would think!

    Two complaints that aren't even much to complain about. The synch software doesn't do justice to how the unit was built. However, it is VERY usable and works flawlessly. It doesn't however have that polished feel of the unit. Point 2 is handwriting recognition. The default recognition is rather picky just because the software controlling it has you draw out the whole letter. This, however, is customizable and I plan on copying the Grafitti style from Palm as this is much more useable!!!

    G33k factor is definitely up there... :) From init.d, to ssh'ing into your PDA to running Debian on the unit!!! :) Anybody want dpkg on their PDA??? http://people.debian.org/~mdz/zaurus/ [slashdot.org]

    Some of my fellow coworkers, I think, wish they would have gotten the Zaurus over their Palm models. I am quite glad I'm not in their shoes on this occasion, and am very impressed / happy with the unit all in all... Any geek should love one of these!!!
  • My local Best Buy had the SL-5500 on clearance for $325. I don't see it on their website so you'll have to go look for it.

    I think Sharp has the best PDA hardware out there. It's a great package if you're the kind of person who would want a CF slot on your PDA (size comparisons with the iPaq usually ignore the "sleeve" required for CF). The PIM software, on the other hand, sucks. Someone described it as looking like the result of a class project, and I have to agree. Others in this thread have covered the "hackability" aspect thoroughly, and I agree that it appeals to geeks. But I'm afraid there will be no next gen Linux Zaurus because this one is going to tank in the market. No one buys a PDA for the sexy hardware expecting to install all new software later.

    I've played with a few of them in different stores. About half were stuck at the 'lock' screen because someone figured out how to set a code and left it that way. Most are trapped in a anti-theft cage which doesn't allow the keyboard cover to open all the way. The keyboard is inactive until the cover is in the "open" detent, so it appears to be broken. Office Depot appears to have all the accessories out but no *units*. This is a disaster when you can play with 5+ palm devices and 5+ WinCE devices in any store.
  • With wireless access and the ability to write/run whatever software you like. Would this possibly be a great wardialing platform. Anybody tried?

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