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Unintended Results From U.S. Hardware Dumps In Asia 412

Izeickl writes: "The BBC has a thought provoking story about old hardware being dumped in parts of Asia. The report 'details a group of villages in south-eastern China where computers from America are picked apart and strewn along rivers and fields.' the article also states 'The report suggested that as much as 80% of the America's electronic waste collected to be recycled is shipped out of the country.'"
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Unintended Results From U.S. Hardware Dumps In Asia

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  • by BlueboyX ( 322884 ) on Monday February 25, 2002 @09:47AM (#3064539)
    It was an anime/manga in which a whole society lived on a planet that was a dump for another society's high tech trash. Enough of the junk worked or partially worked that they were able to make a fairly high tech society themselves; although it was a fairly lawless one. Living off of the trash of others has a psychological impact...
  • That sucks (Score:5, Interesting)

    by mikeboone ( 163222 ) on Monday February 25, 2002 @09:49AM (#3064550) Homepage Journal

    I've been amassing old computer junk in my closet for years. I'm almost to the point where I was going to pay to have them recycled [ibm.com]. But damn, for all I know, I'm probably just paying for shipment to China!

    I think there has to be an upcoming business opportunity in recycling this stuff, and doing it in an environmentally responsible manner. I'd almost be willing to start the ball rolling myself. Any resources out there for learning how to do it?

  • Ships stranding (Score:2, Interesting)

    by selderrr ( 523988 ) on Monday February 25, 2002 @09:50AM (#3064556) Journal
    Last I heard from greenpeace about chemical corps just filling up a whole ship with waste barrels and letting it strand on an african shore. It sits there waiting to fall apart andspread it's deadly cargo into the oceans.

    Eat more fish they say... contains no mad cow disease... ha !
  • by AtomicBomb ( 173897 ) on Monday February 25, 2002 @09:59AM (#3064581) Homepage
    CNN has a more detailed article [cnn.com] regarding this. China, India and Pakistan are main destination for the rubblish.

    The situation is quite frightening. Consequently, the groundwater (near Guiyu, China) is so polluted that drinking water has to be trucked in from a town 18 miles away, the report said.
    These "high tech" waste is especially hazardous to these poor workers. Medical waste (eg used bandage) usually smells and look nasty, everyone know they are dirty. Villagers usually have no clue toxic heavy metal will leak to groundwater, burning the plastic will generate very toxic smoke... before too late.

    Probably, it is now to add a "prepaid" waste recycling fee to new computers....
  • by thesolo ( 131008 ) <slap@fighttheriaa.org> on Monday February 25, 2002 @10:04AM (#3064606) Homepage
    Apparently, I was wrong.

    These kinds of things really tick me off. I've recycled numerous old systems, in the hopes that they either went to some good, or were safely broken down, to be used in other applications. Instead, they probably just got dumped in a landfill.

    I guess I shouldn't be so surprised, these types of things always happen with recycling. Recycled papers sit in warehouses because companies don't frequently buy post-consumer stock. Glass & tires that were originally planned to be melded together to make a new, cheap pavement wind up sitting in their respective piles. Tires that were supposedly going to be used for recreating habitats for aquatic life are instead burned.

    And now, all our old 286s are dumping mercury & lead into China. If my old Vendex Headstart 8086 is sitting over there, instead of being recycled, I'll be very, very upset.

    Is there anything we can really do to ensure that our equipment doesn't wind up in some other country's landfill??
  • by CDWert ( 450988 ) on Monday February 25, 2002 @10:05AM (#3064611) Homepage
    And the point is ?

    Yes I know this is bad for the enviroment, but the simple fact is its not like China is colony of the US and we are forcing th govt to accept the waste, THEY ARE BEING PAID !!!!!

    If CHINA chooses NOT to give a shit about its citizens it on them, and THEY should have to answer for it.

    This is NOT about the US, get it understand it and live with it.

    Now, the people, well thats unfortunate, it really is, BUT IT THEIR GOVERMENTS(CHINA) FAULT !

    Wide spread mass industrial pollution with NO regard to the enviroment is seen on both ends, the capatilist and the COMMUNIST side, the latter aswers to noone and it is thus a fair bit worse in general, no dont belive me ? Ask all the people in eastern europe what things were like during USSR rule.

    Ok, so you want an alternative use ? Lets drop all this crap out of B52's on Iraq, and all the US enemies, a hell of a lot cheaper than smart bombs, could you imagine what damage a monitor would do falling form 30000 feet ?
  • How about Europe? (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 25, 2002 @10:14AM (#3064653)
    I was wondering, does this happen in America alone, or does Europe just does thesame thing?
  • CNN and /. (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 25, 2002 @10:17AM (#3064665)
    When I see a story like this at CNN (I don't get cable TV -- did anyone see if this was a TV story, or if they only posted it as a webstory?), it kinda makes me think CNN posted it so that some slashmonkey would submit it, their story would get slashdotted, and they'd cash in on the ad revenue.

    Anyone agree? Or think this is just silly conspiracy talk?
  • Archeology (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Alien54 ( 180860 ) on Monday February 25, 2002 @10:30AM (#3064726) Journal
    "picked apart and strewn along rivers and fields." -- What are they trying to do....grow more computers?

    I keep having this picture of archeologists in thousands of years in the future going through all of this stuff, and trying to piece together an old PC. no tech manuals, etc.

    Alot of their success would depend on the level of their own technology, of course.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 25, 2002 @10:31AM (#3064732)
    I worked for a rather large school district in Central Illinois. I had initially worked up a project to put together a training lab cooperative for use by my district and a neighboring (smaller) district, as well as by disadvantaged students and their families. I had a location selected with a committment for reduced cost rent, donated phone and internet access from Verizon, and 50 computers/servers/laptops on tap from State Farm. Neither district showed an ounce of interest, even though the work had been done for them and it would have given them a professional quality staff training facilty that doubled as a resource for the poor kids in both districts to help them with their technology skills and grades.

    The company I worked for before that had tried to donate 200 computers and a full TK ring network with switches and wiring... they turned their nose up because it meant they would have to hire a network admin slash support person to run it... this is a rural school district with almost no computers and some of the lowest SAT/ACT scores in the stat of Illinois.

    My best friends wife's company tried to donate pallet loads of computers and office furniture (they make it in Iowa) to their local school district... same thing, no interest.

    For every school that is progressive and interested in donations in this country, there are four who would rather not. Piss on our education system, the liberal economy and politics of the 70's and 90's has totally screwed this country... we have gone from #1 to #11 in the world.
  • by mattbelcher ( 519012 ) <matt@mattbelc[ ].com ['her' in gap]> on Monday February 25, 2002 @10:32AM (#3064738) Homepage

    The same theme played out in the fantastic but much overlooked CRPG "Septerra Core."

  • by ThesQuid ( 86789 ) <a987.mac@com> on Monday February 25, 2002 @10:37AM (#3064754) Journal
    1. Practically everything in China is recycled. I've seen old folks / poor people rummage through trashbins with tongs looking for whatever is valuable for picking up some cash. This usually is cans or plastic soda bottles, which usually end up being turned into low-quality polyproplene or such.

    2. While the cities I've been to in the last five years have considerably cleaned up their act, China still has an enormous problem with littering. Ever seen the commercials showing the roadside trash from the early 70's in America? That's China nowadays.

    3. Many electronic components are desoldered and reused by small mom-and-pop outfits that want to get into business, and don't mind cheaper used components. When you've got lots of people who want to get ahead in life, they will use any resource at their disposal.

  • Re:If they want... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by ShadeARG ( 306487 ) on Monday February 25, 2002 @10:56AM (#3064854)
    i would, and so would a lot of other people. they need to ship them to a stockyard, put them in catalogs and place them on the internet. that would catch, especially if all you have to pay for is shipping for the item you want to buy.. hell, put a 5 item or weight minimum on each order. now that's something alot of the younger generations would visit many times a day religiously just to see what's around--and they would actually be able to afford some things to tinker around with. imagine the amount of drivers and documentation that such an act would surface into the open source community. Allowing the new generation of soft and hard coders to work with some simpler devices would pay off for everyone in the long run. every great coder has to start somewhere..
  • by MrIcee ( 550834 ) on Monday February 25, 2002 @12:17PM (#3065253) Homepage
    Makes me wonder how other countries handle their electronic trash.

    Also reminds me of something that happened while I was visiting a client in Tokyo.... while riding the high-speed train to the convention center... he pointed to the land surrounding the convention center and said "this used to be ocean... how do you think we got this land?"... I said "I dunno"... He said "every year japaneese throw out old electronics and buy new electronics. We put electronics in bay and build convention center on top.".

    Now... I never knew whether or not he was serious - I suspect he was... .but after reading the article - and pondering this... isn't that bad for their environment?

  • by pilich ( 455704 ) on Monday February 25, 2002 @01:31PM (#3065687)
    The companies that build these things should be made to set up facilities for getting rid of the products when they are no longer used. This would even apply to industries that produce things other than computers.

    Think about it. GE should be the one to pay for getting rid of CFC's from the refrigerators that they manufacture. This would force them to either raise the price of what they sell, or find a better way to manufacture it (without CFC's for instance).

    Computers are built with the knowledge that they will be obsolete in a few years, so it should come as no suprise that if they sell X number of machines in one year, that in 3-4 years that many machines will need to be recycled.

    At the very least, a law like this would prevent AOL from producing millions of disks that get thrown into the garbage unopened, or from someone even proposing a throwaway product like DIVX (old DIVX, not new Divx :-).
  • by Tackhead ( 54550 ) on Monday February 25, 2002 @02:07PM (#3065889)
    >It was an anime/manga in which a whole society lived on a planet that was a dump for another society's high tech trash. Enough of the junk worked or partially worked that they were able to make a fairly high tech society themselves; although it was a fairly lawless one. Living off of the trash of others has a psychological impact..

    I can't vouch for an entire culture, but I can speak to this personally.

    My TV is a 28" set that was thrown away for a $3.20 vertical deflection IC. The AC cord (because the owner cut the old cord) cost more than the fix. I picked it up because (a) I didn't have a TV, and (b) I figured I'd have more fun, and learn more, by fixing an old one than buying a new one, (c) If I could fix it, it's 100 pounds less landfill. If I couldn't fix it, I'd put it back on the curb where I found it, and (d) I'm a cheap bastard.

    My DVD player was born as a P166MMX with an ancient ATI card that had TV-out, but no MPEG2 decoder support. I got lucky and found a BIOS upgrade for the motherboard that would let me run lower voltages required for a K6-III. So now it runs (FSB overclock) at 500 MHz and decodes the stream with brute force. (The only time I got glitches in the video stream was when I forgot to enable DMA mode on the DVD-ROM).

    My current computer is 3 years old. It began as a C366. It's now at 1GHz. The only component I've upgraded was the CPU for $50. Won't play Wolfenstein at ultra-high-res, but it's good enough for my computing and gaming needs.

    My monitor was a 19" Sony flat-screen CRT. $125 at a surplus store. (And I was able to hand my 17" to a friend.)

    Just last weekend, I recovered some data off a 15-year-old 40M Seagate ST-251 and an old '286. (Moral of the story, make two CDs for backing up data, in case one of your CDs gets zorched.) A couple of twists with the wrist to loosen the bearings and get the stiction-killed drive to spin up, and a couple of BIOS-based cylinder seek tests to spread the lube along the rails. (First run, it'd seek OK for a while, then pause for 1-2 seconds on some problematic cylinders. Second run, it got a little "better" at moving the head. 10 minutes later, it was fine. I was amazed.)

    Getting more life out of "junk" hardware by fscking around with it can also be fun.

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    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Monday February 25, 2002 @02:40PM (#3066108)
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