CompactFlash / IDE Interface for Apple II 203
jutpm writes: "This page describes a project to create an IDE / CompactFlash Interface card for 8 bit Apple II series of computers. The card is ProDOS 8 compatible and supports up to 64 Meg (two ProDOS 32Meg drives). I am very impressed with the work this guys work. Definitely a case of old technology meeting new."
Why? (Score:2, Redundant)
Re:Why? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Why? (Score:2)
How can the parent post be modded down as redundant when it is the 2nd post made? That just makes no sense.
Re:Why? (Score:1)
Re:Why? (Score:2)
Posts which state the obvious are usually modded down as redundant, and rightly so. We don't need to be told that non-geeks would find this practically useless.
Re:Why? (Score:4, Insightful)
Perhaps because the question is so obvious it hardly needs to be stated.
The IDE controller/emulator in the CF card is almost certainly many times faster and more powerful than the Apple II.
Still I can see a reason for building a device like that. The Apple ][ disk drives were 5 1/4" and sloooooow. Maintaining them is tricky and the media is rapidly reaching its sell by date. The interface would be worth it simply to be able to take a library of Apple ][ floppies and read them onto a modern media.
The apple II might be somewhat defunct, but there are still important bits of data stored on Apple II disks, like experimental results, audit reports and the like. The kind of information that you simply don't want to lose. Unless perhaps your accountants are you know who and your tax strategy consists of forming 861 shell companies and making large campaign contributions...
Re:Why? (Score:2)
I have deposits down on three of the cards, one per CoCo of course. Now, if only someone would put one of the 6809, or better still, 6309, reimplementations on a FPGA or ASIC...
Talk about pinching pennies (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Talk about pinching pennies (Score:1)
Re:Talk about pinching pennies (Score:3, Funny)
Finally! (Score:5, Funny)
j/k
Re:Finally! (Score:2, Offtopic)
Has anyone tried this? =)
Re:Finally! (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Finally! (Score:2, Informative)
Even Macs with a 68K CPU aren't fast enough (all PPC Macs can though), so if your question is for real, then no, the 1.8 MHz MOS 6502 won't cut it.
Re:Finally! (Score:2, Interesting)
'except no mac ever actually shipped with one of those
(Amiga's did though
Re:Finally! (Score:2, Informative)
And to reply to the parent post, while an Apple IIe could never decode mp3's, I see no reason why someone couldn't design a real sound card for the thing, with enough co-processor power to do that also. It wouldn't be impossible, even to intercept the "bell" device in system memory, and play a nicer fm tone, giving it backwards compatibility.
Oh, and as for the questions regarding compact flash, he chose that undoubtedly, because CF is actually the same as IDE electrically. Only the mechanical interface is different. If you were to make a converter cable, windows or linux would even recognize it as a valid
Re:Finally! (Score:2, Interesting)
Hrrmm... I'm now thinking of ways to do that.
1) Watch for accesses to $C030. The problem here is that any program accessing the speaker this way gets intercepted. :o)
2) Alter 3 bytes starting at $FF3A to jump to your routine. The chief problem with this is you'd be having to alter ROM. Not impossible; just a little more difficult, depending on which Apple ][ you have.
3) Use the Language Card's version of the Monitor ROM at all times, and have its $FF3A patched. Big drawback here is you'll lose the nice bell the instant you want to use ProDOS.
Thought-provoking, tho...
Re:Finally! (Score:1)
Re:Finally! (Score:2)
Way back in the day, some smart cookie wrote an audio digitizer for the Apple ][ series. Plug an audio source into the cassette jack, and the software did a 1-bit digitization of it. It could even play back though the Apple's speaker. Sure, the audio quality was crummy, but hey... It was digital audio. It was cool. I think I typed the assembly listing in by hand from some magazine.
And Ozzy's "Iron Man" came out sounding pretty much the same as the original album...
Just last night some buddies and I were talking about Stupid Networking Tricks. We decided that writing a PPP-over-cassette-port hack wouldn't be too difficult. Wonder what kind of bandwidth you could get?
Bob (?) Bishop (Score:2)
hawk
Re:Finally! (Score:1, Informative)
Re:Finally! (Score:1)
Re:Finally! (Score:2)
But I imagine that if you had a chip fab available, it wouldn't be particularly difficult to apply modern manufacturing techniques to develop a single CPU package with multiple, multi-gigahertz 6502 processors.
Who said it had to be stock hardware?
Re:Finally! (Score:2)
You might be able to reprogram the IDE controller... it is more powerful. Heh.
Or, much more likely, get a PlayStation MP3 decoder slap on the back style chip and interface that. Wire it in so the thing interfaces through a Game Boy, and strip it all down so it's portable.
Instant Karma's gonna get you...
--
Evan
the first time I saw this... (Score:1)
I love my Commodore 64! (Score:4, Funny)
Boy, technology sure has come a LONG way!
Re:I love my Commodore 64! (Score:1)
These are used as storage (ala hard-drives)... not memory (ala RAM).
Re:I love my Commodore 64! (Score:2)
Re:I love my Commodore 64! (Score:3, Informative)
Re:I love my Commodore 64! (Score:1)
Huh? (Score:1)
What, for when you absolutely, positively have to access a ton of information very, very slowly?
OK, I know, it's not the end result so much as it is the process. Still seems rather odd.
Re:Huh? (Score:1)
What, for when you absolutely, positively have to access a ton of information very, very slowly?
Yeah, you mean like when surfing the web?
Re:Huh? (Score:1)
Even if the data gets presented thru ProDOS and to the system at 50kB/sec, it's still a whopping improvement over what most Apple IIe users use now: the disk][ and ProDOS8's disk][ driver. This is like having a BUNCH of copies of /RAM all accessible as one volume, and just as fast as /RAM... and you don't have to worry about losing its contents when powering off or waiting for /RAM to load when you boot.
I wonder if it's SmartPort-compatible. . .
The real question on everyones' minds is.. (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Bring on the nostalgia! (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Bring on the nostalgia! (Score:2)
My pop was too cheap to actually *buy* the disk notching device.
Instead, whenever we'd run out of room on a disk, he'd take a kitchen knife and veeeery carefully cut the notch out by hand. I'd run interference so my mom wouldn't see what he was doing with her good kitchen knives.
Re:Bring on the nostalgia! (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Bring on the nostalgia! (Score:1)
Hey, that's pretty clever - never saw anyone pull that trick!
:-)
I appreciate this on merit... (Score:2, Troll)
The Apple II was a desktop system, not a big mainframe. I have my doubts that many critical systems were built for the Apple II. I doubt even more that those critical systems, if they ever existed at all, weren't converted to some other system years ago.
Again, I don't want to take away from the sheer "geek-cool" factor of this. It's a neat little technological achievement. But, for the life of me, I can't think of a useful thing to accomplish with it.
Re:I appreciate this on merit... (Score:2)
Since the Apple II was an early personal computer and highly hackable, I knew of many that got pressed into service as data collection devices in labs and so on, not to mention as word processors or small databases where some analog solution would have been used otherwise since the cost of your critical systems would have been prohibitive.
Just because you didn't do anything useful with it doesn't mean others didn't.
Re:I appreciate this on merit... (Score:2, Insightful)
I remember once talking to a computer dealer who was one of the last to sell and support Apple II hardware in Canada. He said he had a customer who came in about once a year and bought an Apple II system. He had some system (probable not "critical" in the purest sense, but important anyway) that ran on the Apple. It was cheaper and easier for him to have a good store of backup hardware than port the system up to something else.
You never know where old machines are running in forgotten corners of the world. I do agree that most of them would have been long since ported over to current hardware.
Re:I appreciate this on merit... (Score:4, Interesting)
So while the system may not have been critical, it did provide a public service, produced revenue and worked moderately well - hardware faults excepted.
It wouldn't surprise me that much to hear that other organisations still use older technology to deliver a solution. After all, why fix it unless it's broken?
Re:I appreciate this on merit... (Score:2)
I still reckon teletext is a pretty good way to get snippets of news, just wish I could get it on a web page some times.
Re:I appreciate this on merit... (Score:1)
Teaching the guy who designed it, how hardware really works, how to manage a complex hw project, etc.
Allowing those that can't afford $1000 for a modern pc, to still be able to do something useful.
Keeping a computer out of a landfill, that while cool, has who knows how many toxic metals and chemicals in it (cadmium in the plastic shell comes to mind).
Historical reasons, by making it possible to easily and quickly backup 5.25" media that is quickly succumbing to bitrot.
Making it all the more possible to port linux to the Apple II, and don't you dare call it ridiculous. Progress has been made porting ELKS to the z80, and I see no reason that the 65c02 is any less worthy or capable.
The truth of the matter is, if I had to use an Apple IIe as my only computer, it wouldn't be that painful with enough upgrades like this. I spend better than 50% of my computer time in console mode, and when I don't, all I have open is Netscape and a dozen terminal windows. And as far as your game fix goes, I hope I can find the time someday to design the SVGA card I want to do for the Apple. As a teaser, just think 100mhz StrongARM doing accelerated blitting and vector functions, and maybe even to the point that Doom would run on the thing.
Re:I appreciate this on merit... (Score:2)
Re:I appreciate this on merit... (Score:1)
Re:I appreciate this on merit... (Score:2, Insightful)
what is the real life application to this? (Score:4, Interesting)
true the technology of the host machine is slightly outdated but hell.... you could probably fit one's entire software collection onto a single card, and not have to worry about changing a disk. program the flash and just pop it in, run whatever you like.....
my question is , is there an easy way to access the filesystem other than on an apple?
Re:what is the real life application to this? (Score:2, Informative)
It's off the top of my head, but I believe that AppleII::ProDOS [cpan.org] can do this from Perl... it'd be a fun project for me some weekend, as my perl-fu needs work.
Not exactly easy, since you do have to write an app, but there're tools out there.
Re:what is the real life application to this? (Score:1)
Re:what is the real life application to this? (Score:1)
i actually had a 40MB HDD in my Apple ][
cost like $5000 for the whole system, and needless to say, i was the coolest kid on the block.
Apple II led me to the NES scene (Score:2, Interesting)
Without the experience I had with 6502 assembly language on the Apple II trying to get a gambling game suite called "Place Your Bets" to respond to keypresses and draw graphics faster than Applesoft Molasses Basic [everything2.com], I never would have had the knowledge of the 6502 processor necessary for NES development [parodius.com].
That's funny... the last computer I owned that I didn't write a Tetris clone for was an Apple II.
spoke too soon (Score:2)
Looks like you spoke too soon pal, bet you'll wish you hadn't asked in a few hours
Re:spoke too soon (Score:2)
>
> Looks like you spoke too soon pal, bet you'll wish you hadn't asked in a few hours
In a few hours, it'll be "I need to sell at least 100 to pay my bandwidth bill!"
How about the other way around? (Score:2)
Re:How about the other way around? (Score:1)
Re:How about the other way around? (Score:2)
You mean an emulator? There are tons of Apple ][ emulators already.
What I'd like to see is a complete Apple ][ on a single chip. The ][+ schematics used to come with the computer, and I think 65C02 cores are freely available. You could easily fit an entire Apple ][, along with disk controllers, video, etc in a single $200 FPGA. Screw emulators, I want a hard Apple ][ clone!
Yee-haw! Let me know when the Commodore 64 version (Score:2, Funny)
LOAD "*",8
(retrieve munchies from fridge)
(complain that the 1541 drive is a slow P.O.S.)
(fall asleep)
READY.
Re:Yee-haw! Let me know when the Commodore 64 vers (Score:1)
LOAD "BRUCELEE",8,1
(plug back the second joystick with a faulty button)
ERROR READING DRIVE: TOO OLD CRAP, GET A LIFE!
READY.
Oh, you commited a wrong, sir... (Score:1)
LOAD "*"
Commodore 64 machines were fun. Some of my favorite games were on the Commodore. Games like Jumpman, Racing Destruction Set, Skyfox, and Mail Order Monsters.
Man, those honestly were some great days. I wouldn't be a computer professional without those Commodore games.
Re:Oh, you commited a wrong, sir... (Score:1)
Think any one could make an updated copy for Windows.
I would glady Beta Test
Memories (Score:2)
(cyan screen)
"Anana Visita. (hisss) Shtay a ile. Shtay foreveva.."
- "Wow dude. That sounded so real. You could actually hear words and stuff."
(step, step, step, step)
"Deshtroy chim my row-bots"
- "Woah cool."
"aaaahhhhhhhhahhhhahhahhhh..."
- "oops."
= "Dude, do that again - that was awesome."
- "No way man. I'm trying to win."
= "come on, that was great. Do it again."
- "Okay, just one"
"AAAAAhhhahhaaaaaahhhhahhhhhhahhhhhhhhhh..."
- "Okay, that was kinda cool."
"AAAAaaaahhhhahhahaaaaaaaahaaaaaa..."
= "Dude, this game is totally awesome. Say, are those dalek-things or whatever they are dangerous?"
"BBBzzzzzzttttztzztt."
- "Yep."
= "That was kinda cool. But fall off the screen again, that was great."
"Aaaaahaaaaaaaaaaahhhhahaahaaaa...."
- "What on earth is that?"
= "I think a bowling ball is chasing you."
- "Uhhhm - right."
Re:Memories (Score:1)
now i'm curious... what WERE you supposed to do with those pieces?
Re:Yee-haw! Let me know when the Commodore 64 vers (Score:1)
LOAD "WINDOWS.BSC",8,1
(Start Associates)
(Finish Ph.D.)
(Retire)
(Swim the Sytx)
(Golf with Jesus)
READY
When I was a kid (Apple II Plus) (Score:1)
I would always say Japple just to piss my father off. He sure was crazy.
By the lack of activity on that link... (Score:2, Funny)
IIgs compatible? (Score:1)
Re:IIgs compatible? (Score:1)
Saw this on www.woz.org (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Saw this on www.woz.org (Score:2)
I've been looking for a good use for an old 8M CF card.
Having 128 64K memory images of a ][+ (or 64 128K //e images with the bank-switching) would be great for retro-gaming. Get tired of playing one game, save the RAM image and continue tomorrow!
Having about 57 floppy images on an 8M card wouldn't hurt either, especially for Wizardry V, which came on something like 5 double-sided floppies.
Plus, for "hack value alone", this is one hell of a cool hack.
Why in the world? (Score:2)
Of course, you can never get too much Oregon Trail... I wonder how fast it runs with these mods!
This seems backward (Score:2, Funny)
Why not a simpler smart media or mmc interface ? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Why not a simpler smart media or mmc interface (Score:3, Interesting)
Serial interfaces are especially nice on the Apple because you don't have to build an expansion card to talk to them---you can use the game port. There are four outputs and three inputs there. You'd need a level shifter to get the voltages down to the 3.3v range those flash cards want.
I just wrote out a little 6502 assembly bitbanger to talk to a purported SPI device on an Apple game port, and it looks like it's around 40 cycles per bit. So that's around 3kBytes/sec, raw. Not too bad for a 1 chip interface that doesn't take up a slot!
I don't remember if the analog electronics on the gameport inputs let you pump bits that fast. But it sure would be cool to have a single module plugged into the gameport, with 64M of storage---on a package smaller than the 6502.
Re:Why not a simpler smart media or mmc interface (Score:2)
The only problem I see is the shift key mod. Because the original Apple keyboards didn't support lower case, it was common for users to run a wire from the shift key to PB2 to let software interpret upper and lower case.
Re:Why not a simpler smart media or mmc interface (Score:3, Interesting)
I'm guessing the easiest thing to do is build a small FPGA that lives on the 6502 bus that has a shift register and a one-shot 8-clock SPI clock generator. (FPGA clocked from the pin 36 7MHz signal?) I'm already way past my knowledge of design, but it seems like this would be very easy to build, and should deliver bytes as fast as the 6502 could digest them---reading from a slot address takes 4 cycles, and writing somewhere takes at least 4 more. Likely this kind of system would end up blocking on the flash device itself some of the time.
Anyway, I think it's possible you could have a two chip design: FPGA and level shifter. Amazing what might be possible with just a few chips these days!
I just picked up a IIc (Score:2)
I want to see what I was up to then, so I got the IIc.
Only problem is, some of the memory is bad... need to get some replacements... unfortunately, soldering them into the board isn't going to be fun at all.
Apple ][ MP3 system (Score:3, Informative)
FWIW, if anyone wants to take the leap, the standard homebrew decoder chips used today seem to be one of these...
Micronas MAS3509F Compressed-Audio Decoder [micronas.com]
SGS Thompson STA013 MP3 Decoder [st.com]
The Micronas chip is newer and doesn't require an external DAC.
Re:Apple ][ MP3 system (Score:1)
Still, I have to appreciate the persevernce of the folks who are still hand-opimizing code for those 10-year old beautiful black boxes.
Re:Apple ][ MP3 system (Score:2, Interesting)
Work (Score:1)
I am also very impressed!!!! ;)
8-bit access to Compact Flash/IDE?!? (Score:2)
The Parachute for Palm III/Handeras, a PCMCIA controller over serial port. Hey, if they can port it to serial port (shouldn't be too hard), you'll have generic access to compact flash/IDE.
Someone pass the Basic Stamp II's...
SST Compact Flash in my Apple ][e = tiiiiight (Score:1)
now i have a use!!
This is nothing (Score:1)
almost as useful as an MP3 player for a Newton (Score:3, Interesting)
up there in my book would have to be the MP3 player for Newton MessagePads [40hz.org] (which i installed, and it works really well. streaming MP3 on a newton? oh yeah...)
though, along with the ATA flash card driver [kallisys.com] for Newtons, it almost turns my MessagePad 2100 [newtontraveler.com] into my portable MP3 player. saves me $400 for an iPod (though i'm lacking about 4.9G of the storage...)
kudos to the hack, and massive props to apple][ users still out there who can take advantage of this and all the cheap storage of the new CF cards.
Re:almost as useful as an MP3 player for a Newton (Score:4, Funny)
To quote the (in)famous words of Wau Holland (founder of the german EFF-pendant CCC): "You're a hacker when you're stuck with nothing but a cup of noodles and coffee machine but still manage to have a warm meal."
May he rest in piece.
Don't forget the 8GB of the IDE64 :) (Score:5, Insightful)
IDE64 [volny.cz] has given them that ability for a while, since all you need is a CF to IDE adapter, and you can have up to two 8 GB harddrives on a c64, or a few CF cards, or a couple of IBM Microdrives
16GB on that machine is completely nuts. You could quite possibly store every c64 game ever made (which I estimate at over 30,000
Of course, you can go for the 8GB HD and a CD-ROM
Meanwhile, Nate [kscable.com] has nearly hacked together an MP3 player for the c64 based on the MAS chip. That, and a quickcam, and a few other things. Look at the C= projects page. That's some wicked stuff.
Now that's a hacker's machine. Give them enough time and they even get a workalike UNIX with a GUI and IRC client [slashdot.org], as well as a 20Mhz CPU, 16MB RAM, and many other cool things. From what I hear, XGA video and PCI are next.
I always did like these hackers of older systems. I would enjoy seeing those optimization techniques applied to modern code and compilers, especially gcc
Re:Don't forget the 8GB of the IDE64 :) (Score:3, Informative)
An IDE card has been available for the Apple II for a few years now... see the Turbo IDE [wbwip.com] from SHH Systeme. Dated October '94...
Then there's GNO (GNO's Not Orca) [gno.org], a preemptively multitasking Unix-like environment. Was fun to play MODs while IRCing and such :)
Mirror (Score:5, Interesting)
http://www.slimdevices.com/CFforAppleII [slimdevices.com]
I dunno if my server's going to hold up any better, but it's worth a shot.
Just in case, a couple snippets from the page:
ast Update: Jan 17, 2002 - 11:40am CST
Project Introduction:
This page describes a project to create an IDE / CompactFlash Interface card for 8 bit Apple II series of computers. The
card is ProDOS 8 compatible. I did this project over the span of several months. Although it took much longer than
expected, it was a fun project. This project is very much a case of old technology (the
Apple II computer) meets new (IDE / CompactFlash cards and Altera CPLDs).
My reasoning for this project is described in detail in the last section, but suffice it to say, I
wanted to be able to pull out my old Apple and use it from time to time to reminisce about the
early days of personal computers. I wanted a reliable way to store my Apple II programs and
data files for many years to come. Due to the Apple II's floppy drives long term reliability
prospects and my general laziness, I decided a mass storage device is what I needed.
If there was enough interest in this project I would love to make a small batch of boards to
sell to those interested. But I would need at least 10 orders, and it may be hard to find 10 people interested in something
like this. I can be reached at rich@dreher.net
Currently I have only built a prototype, which means no extensive testing has been done
yet.
The Apple II was an excellent example of an open system, with unheard-of-today
documentation like system schematics, firmware listings, and peripheral design tips. Indeed
the only thing that was totally hidden was the source for the BASIC interpreter - "AppleSoft"
written by giga-monopoly Microsoft. In the spirit of the Apple II this project is completely
open.
Project Definition:
A CompactFlash/IDE Interface for 8 bit Apple II family of computers
Support for up to 64 Meg, (two ProDOS 32Meg drives)
On board EPROM for the ProDOS 8 driver code
Allow booting ProDOS directly from the Interface card (for a floppy-less system)
Current version of driver code requires a 65C02. (IIe Enhanced or later)
Project Prototype Hardware:
My first prototype used no discreet 74HCTxxx series parts and all logic was in the CPLD, but due to several unrelated
problems with construction and the consumption of all PLD resources, I decided to build a second prototype with using
74hct373 parts, this time paying more careful attention to power distribution. I still believe it would be easy to eliminate
the discreet 74xxx series parts if you used a larger PLD, like the EPM70128S. Although it might not be very cost
effective.
Here is the schematic I developed AFTER completing my prototype. That means this schematic has not been tested. If
you decide to build this project, you might want to check with me for any changes first. Also if you find any mistakes
please let me know. Project Schematic: ORCAD Capture Format
If you just want a quick look at the schematic click here to view a 640k jpeg of the schematic. Modem users: sorry about
the size, but I wanted it to be clear and readable as possible.
Prototype Parts List:
1 - SanDisk CompactFlash 64Meg or 32Meg
1 - CompactFlash to IDE conversion board - Adtron SDDA-03 available from EMJ Embedded
1 - ISA bus prototype board (trimmed to fit into the apple bus) Jameco part #21531
1 - 44pin PLCC socket. Jameco part #71618
1 - 44pin PLCC wire-wrap socket. (http://smt-adapter.com/ - part #44PG-W or similar)
1 - Altera EPM7064SLC44-10F
1 - 27128 EPROM
2 - 74HCT373 transparent latch
2 - 74HCT245 bus transceiver
7 - 22ohm 1/8w resistors
5 - 0.1uf capacitors non-polarized (used for power supply bypass)
3 - 1.0uf capacitors non-polarized (used for power supply bypass)
10 - 30 pin wire wrap SIPP sockets. Jameco part #104053 (there were some leftover)
misc wire wrap tools and wire
I would have killed for this 15 years ago... (Score:2)
Now I wish I had a ZipChip and the entire GEOS line of software...
/.ed ... mirror anyone? (Score:2)
Anyone got the content mirrored?
Slashdoting Apple ][s... (Score:2)
This is like... (Score:2)
in other news.. (Score:2)
CF to PIC interface (Score:2, Informative)
I found the link att Jeff Frohwein's [devrs.com]
Re:why? (Score:4, Interesting)
Some outfits sell the Focus Drive, which purportedly works with a 2.5" IDE disk... But seeing as how CF has dropped in comparison to a hard drive, and it's smaller, and it generates no(t a lot of) heat, and doesn't make you waste loads of space on the IIe, it has appeal.
I see the guy uses the same emulation tools I do -- I ported ADT to ProDOS chiefly to get my 6502 mojo working again... and Apple II Oasis is the best IIe emulator out for win32.
I'll most likely throw my name into the hat for a board... hopefully this is US-based. All the neat AppleII boards seem to originate in Europe for some reason.
Old Apple Hacks (Score:1)
Back in the day (1994), I started making a remote filesystem for my Apple that would communicate with my Sparc via serial. Unfortunately, it was dog slow and I gave up.
BTW, if anyone really wants to start hacking on the Apple
Re:why? (Score:2)
In the IIgs arena, the Apple High-Speed (or any other) SCSI card is very hard to acquire without fierce competition on ebay.
Really? Wow; I never knew that. I've got one of those; we bought one along with a hard drive and IIGs System 6 when I realized the Apple II was dying.
Re:why? (Score:2)
Accelerators and SCSI cards both get bid up into the stratosphere. I got my ZipGS and RamFAST for reasonable prices in the early 90s (somewhere around $100 each, IIRC), but they'd probably get 2-3x that if I put them on eBay.
I wish I still had my RocketChip. 10 MHz on a IIe was schweeeet. The guy who bought it from me still has it AFAIK; I wonder if I could buy it back...
Re:What an amazing waste of effort (Score:1)
Write intelligent or interesting flamebait if you must