I Want My MTV... PC? 261
Tsar writes: "MTV Networks is putting their imprimatur on a line of entertainment-oriented PC's to be available early this year. Targeting the college-age crowd, they'll have TV & radio tuners, DVD players, remote controls, and 'MTV-specific content.' CNN has this article on CNN's SCI-TECH page, but the original story was posted last Thursday on IDG.net. There's also news of MTV's impending digital music player, which uses DataPlay's 500MB matchbook-sized discs with built-in digital rights denial^H^H^H^H^H^Hmanagement."
Anyone remember? (Score:3, Insightful)
Apple (Score:2, Insightful)
I could see this... (Score:3, Insightful)
I should know.. my little sister would die without it. I think she even has withdrawals sometimes.
I can't wait to see if she wants one of these once they start advertising them all the time.
College age crowd? (Score:3, Insightful)
towards teenie boppers than college students
Maybe they are hoping a whole bunch of stupid freshman with
rich parents will buy? Or is this more for the N'sync/Brittney Spheres crowd?
MTV :: The name, not the product. (Score:2, Insightful)
I like music, and I like the idea's of having a radio and tv tuner in my box. But I won't pay the cash that MTV (or whoever building these systems) is bound to charge when I can put them in myself for a lot less.
For those out there who know nothing of computers, they will happily follow each other over the cliff like mindless zombies, just as they do today with Micro$ofts products. It's all about marketing and creating a WANT when people don't NEED it. Maybe that crazy movie Fight Club was right?
I've always wanted one of those hotwheel computers! =)
Paying for the logo... (Score:2, Insightful)
But, with a PC with publicized (and easily duplicated) specs, where's the benefit. If they add anything to the price for the "MTV" logo without adding some extra software or cool design features, there's nothing to stop Dell and every other computer manufacturer from creating their own "Compare to" models with equally cool colors, etc...
Where's the benefit?
Stands A Chance, Given Correct Marketing.. (Score:2, Insightful)
I for one would love an all-in-one box with a custom designed UI that did DVD/TV/Radio/Music with a remote that I wouldn't have to build.
Sure you can buy yourself an ATI All-In-One Card, use some software (or for your geeks, string together some perl scripts), purchase a serial port remote control doohickey and spend forever configuring it - but you won't get the same desired result.
This is similar to TiVo. Sure, I can use my ATI Card to record TV show, but my PC is not optimized for TV watching. A dedicated appliance that can provide all this stuff for the non-PC literate is a very marketable idea.
A previous most mentioned the college audience is the wrong target - and I think you're correct. The market they should really be aiming for is the teen crowd. I'm not, and never was part of the MTV demographic but the appeal of a cool little machine that can play my new Britney Spears DVD and record TRL (Carson is so hot! WH000000!) is probably something that appeals to a lot of teenyboppers.
Time will tell if those goes the way of the Barbie PC. I hope for the success of neat all-in-one integrated devices for the average consumer, but I have the gut-feeling of impending doom for such a venture.
But hey, maybe all those castoff MTV Boxes will make neat hacking toys in a a year or so.
Re:College age crowd? (Score:4, Insightful)
Why no console? (Score:2, Insightful)
So the question is here: Why not just make an entertainment-based Console computer? Honestly, stop trying to make them PCs and come up with the Nintendo/MTV MusicCube or something like that... Be a helluva lot cheaper and thusly more likely that you're going to make some kind of dent on the market itself...
Then again, you could just buy an X-box...
Re:Say it ain't so? (Score:4, Insightful)
You've just described....every MTV commercial, ever.
Although failure the first time around doesn't necessarily mean you shouldn't try again, after learning which mistakes you made in the past.
Whine anyone? (Score:5, Insightful)
Everyone has put down MTV, the MTV computer idea, and so much more. It goes to show one thing:
Computer geeks don't get pop culture
Someone above posted:
Even if you are a college student, would you want your computer to come from a channel that headlines a show where people pierce their asses? Not me, I just don't see this idea being sucessful.
I guess that person doesn't realize that many, many people watch that show [Jackass]. MTV is way more than just a shiny things type of network. It's young 'veejays' are usually working 100 times harder behind the scenes. It's movie awards, while a comedy show, has really challanged the Oscars by giving awards to movies that the majority actually like. The Matrix would be a good example. No doubt that movie was a hit, but no nod from the academy.
If anyone is closer to what is on the minds of the public [from age 11-2?] than MTV, where are they? No doubt their success is proof.
Will this venture work? Maybe not. But if they got these machines hooked up to a broadband connection - it could be another MTV.
Remember, music artists spend millions to put their music on TV when they receive no immediate reward. Computers offer much more than TV.
I think free music would be one big draw. And even without DRM it would keep some piracy at bay. Think a thousand mp3 streams at your finger tips. MTV has the money and power to put that together.
Most college students I know are downloading mp3s and using P2P just to have something to listen to.
If they don't try to make this a computer, and more of an appliance that plays music, movies and videos... it could work.
Just something to think about.
College students wont buy it (Score:2, Insightful)
I say this, because, I don't know *any* college students (and I know alot being employed by a university) who watch MTV, infact I would say that most despise it. These are the same college students who were "sticking it to the man" on napster... MTV *is* the man.
Oh and guess what, college students are chronically poor by definition.
Re:Whine anyone? (Score:3, Insightful)
students are beyond the "do whatever MTV tells me"
mentality. Of course, maybe I'm wrong since I only
hang out with other CS people.
A question I have that is hard to answer:
Does MTV merely understand teen pop culture well,
or are they part of a process that creates it?
Or is it a bit of both?
Re:Whine anyone? (Score:1, Insightful)
Geeks don't get pop-culture huh?
Some of us 'geeks', happen to not only enjoy their constant programming, but digital / conventional arts as well...
Some of us prefer to listen to the likes of The Birthday Party, Joy Division, and Teengenerate as opposed to Aaron Carter, Lil Bow-Wow and Sugar Ray....
Some of us prefer to think for ourselves rather than allow a corporation define who and what our 'generation' consists of.
Some of us are insulted abosolutely at the term "MTV Generation", and dislike the fellow members of this stereotype that persist in perpetuating its use and facade.
Some of us would rather not hear those of you out there who would stand in the face of individuality and shout the usefulness of conformity and ignorance into the masses.
And finally...
Some of us, speak truth
"Hi
I?m your video DJ
I always talk like I?m wigged out on quaaludes
I wear a satin baseball jacket everywhere I go
My job is to help destroy
What?s left of your imagination
By feeding you endless doses
Of sugar-coated mindless garbage
So don?t create
Be sedate
Be a vegetable at home
And thwack on that dial
If we have our way even you will believe
This is the future of rock and roll
How far will you go
How low will you stoop
To tranquilize our minds with your sugar-coated swill
You?ve turned rock and roll rebellion
Into Pat Boone sedation
Making sure nothing?s left to the imagination
M.T.V. Get off the
M.T.V. Get off the
M.T.V. Get off the air
Get off the air
See the latest rejects from the muppet show
Wag their tits and their dicks
As they lip-synch on screen
There?s something I don?t like
About a band who always smiles
Another tax write-off
For some schmuck who doesn?t care
M.T.V. Get off the air
And so it was
Our beloved corporate gods
Claimed they created rock video
Allowing it to sink as low in one year
As commercial TV has in 25
?It?s the new frontier,? they say
It?s wide open, anything can happen
But you?ve got a lot of nerve
To call yourself a pioneer
When you?re too god-damn conservative
To take real chances
Tin-eared
Graph-paper brained accountants
Instead of music fans
Call all the shots at giant record companies now
The lowest common denominator rules
Forget honesty
Forget creativity
The dumbest buy the mostest
That?s the name of the game
But sales are slumping
And no one will say why
Could it be they put out one too many lousy records?!?
M.T.V.?Get off the air!
NOW"
-- The Dead Kennedy's ('M.T.V. - Get off the Air')
Re:DRM (Score:1, Insightful)
- being able to rip MP3, DivX etc out of disks that I purchase.
- being able to exchange for damaged media
- being able to play the contents wherever, whenever on whatever player of my chosing.
Re:MTV and Music? (Score:1, Insightful)
But there was a time when MTV played something you call "music videos?" That sounds like the coolest thing man! How long ago did they do this? And why don't they do it anymore???
Actually, the last time I saw a music video on MTV was during an episode of Beavis and Butthead. That also happens to be the last time I willingly watched MTV (never seen music vids on it while at a friend's place)...
Truth be told (and I'm preaching to the choir here), MTV is crap. Nothing but pure, unadulterated marketing and brainwashing. They do it via the hotness of a 50%-plastic Britney Spears (with 100% silicone tits) and various "ghetto thugz" rapping about their "homiez" and whatnot on some sub-28-IQ-requirement TV show with Carson Daly...
The only college kids that actually watch MTV anymore are the hardcore partiers, i.e. frat guys. Everyone else laughs at said frat guys' collective juvenility!
Re:Whine anyone? (Score:3, Insightful)
The people who run MTV are sometimes the same people you see on screen. During the 80's and 90's MTV was mostly run by people who provided for an older audience. The people who ran MTV were young, 20's, and they were trying to put on an adult show. Not for older adults or people looking for class, but they were giving people what they wanted, and influencing pop-culture their own way.
Now I think we are seeing a shift to trying to understand and create {pop} culture as well. MTV doesn't do bad at providing adult programming as well. But most of what we see is adults and young adults trying to show kids culture. They touch on issues, but 9-5 it's mostly an adult showing kids groups or groups for kids. By kids, I mean teenagers - younger than the people who we are talking about now.
MTV though does have it's strong points. Wrestling, IMHO, is a bad move. But Jackass, and the Real World are two college age staple programs. These shows do appeal to many college age, 'hip', `poppy', type of kids.
This product could catch on and because of that bring back that 18-24 year old audience. They seem to be slipping when it comes to music videos.
But MTV2 seems to provide a better range of more complex music and music styles. If this thing could stream MTV2, that could be a hit. I know more people in college, living on campus, that have computers [and no cable] than cable tv.
Depends on the specs and functions. If it works well, and provides a 'cool' set of tools - it could take off.
Will MTV start a revolution in music distribution? Maybe. Something to think about again. They depend on it, as well as the artists depend on MTV.
A sane DRM system and internet distribution channel could sure help a whole bunch of us. MTV provides a jukebox at a certain cost, and sell [basically] singles to burn. You burn at home - the machine is the key. With the computer they provide the appliance and ease of use. Combine that with a library of music, Voila.
If it becomes easier than P2P and the many steps in between - the appliance becomes your computer and personal CD creation station. Normal people would just get this because ease of use and features. It's like a Tivo for music. I guess.
Just a thought.
Re:Too many choices. (Score:1, Insightful)
A) The MTV logo?
B) A flat screen monitor, a dvd burner, a computer that isn't butt ugly, firewire ports, did I mention a computer that isn't but ugly?, oh yea and a BSD based OS