Cray Linux Beowulf Clusters 100
An anonymous reader wrote in to say that Cray has announced that they will be selling their own Linux Beowulf clusters. They're apparently gonna be working with Scyld on the software, and they of course have some crazy hardware (of course the name is SuperCluster, but I guess stupid names are nothing new ;)
Re:If Shaft were running the company... (Score:1)
They say they use Myrinet (Score:1)
Don't support Beowulf (Score:1)
having fun with find/replace? (Score:1)
Re:That's kind of weird. (Score:2)
Cray using Linux (Score:1)
Re:Cray is dead. (Score:1)
Re:Beowulf? (Score:1)
Re:Why not PPP? (Score:1)
Boy what a news day this has been (Score:2)
Re:Geekizoid! (Score:2)
...phil
Er...can we have more people reading the links? (Score:1)
Cray have announced that they will be selling a Beowulf cluster made up of a big pile of API networks' CS20s. These are 1U rack-mounted PCs using DEC Alphas running at 750MHz. You could build one of these yourself at home if you cared to - Cray are simply using their name to resell a cluster of alpha boxes.
Re:Geekizoid! (Score:1)
Re:Why not PPP? (Score:1)
Just think, we could miss out on a linux aimed at two year olds! Oh. Windows. Never mind. Cray-On it is.
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Re:That's kind of weird. (Score:1)
A Cray-Z Super Computer? (Score:1)
Re:Geekizoid! (Score:2)
Re:That's kind of weird. (Score:1)
I agree. This is kind of like Jaguar deciding to start selling an economy sub-compact.
I think I see (Score:2)
Re:Geekizoid! Yawn. (Score:1)
I'm not saying /. is perfect or anything, but I'm not gonna whine about something that I can't/won't do something about.
Sheeesh! Your little manifesto is wordier and more annoying than JonKatz. Hey, are you trying to con Taco-boy into getting you on the payroll?
Re:Which Cray is Weird? (Score:2)
Of course, SGI used to put the Cray label on all Origins with 64 or more processors. But I don't suppose that counts...
You're probably also right in thinking that Cray #4 has more Cray than Tera. But I think the result is closer to Cray #2 than Cray #1.
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Re:Boy what a news day this has been (Score:1)
The fact is, the Florida court was letting the local agencies involved determine their own standards because that was exactly the US court told them to do. Allowing dimpled chads would have been just fine, and the US court even said as much, but it first halted the count that Saturday and then, Monday night, said "yeah okay you can keep counting but you have to have it done by the day we have arbitrarily decided is really important, which happens to be in 90 minutes. Good luck fellas...".
Bullshit.
I can't beging to count the dirty things that went on in this election, and though I'm a bit more sympathetic with the side that lost, I'm not about to say that their hands are any cleaner. This had nothing to do with upholding democracy or any such high minded claptrap. This was a matter of the rich white guy with the highest placed friends getting what he & his friends wanted. Democracy? No. An elected president? Hardly.
You republicans were pissed at the failure of Clinton to win a majority vote, well lookee here -- your boy got neither a majority not a plurality, and if his cronies had allowed the counting process to finish naturally, they would not be sitting on the throne today. Support el presidente if you want to, but I'm disgusted by the whole farce of it, and can't wait for the bastards to get thrown out of there...
I wonder... (Score:2)
Also, could this help Compaq feel better that it's still keeping the Alpha alive? It's really quite sad to see such an awsome chip not in much use.
Re:-1, Troll (Score:2)
to make it one better...
a set worker accidentally spilled hot grits on the beowulfed cray machine that was embedding encrypted DeCSS code into the 3-d rendering of Natalie Portman in the Episode II love scenes with Anakin...
Re:Latency (Score:1)
A better name... (Score:1)
Re:Beowulf clusters... (Score:5)
Cray has an incredible reputation in the HPC business so I suspect that some places will buy clusters from them simply because they are Cray and have provided excellent service in the past.
Pharmaceuticals.. they dont spend money on R&D (Score:1)
The company has received an early order agreement from BioNumerik Pharmaceuticals and expects to announce multiple orders by the time of the product launch
it's kinda interesting. especially since pharmaceuticle companies spend most of their money on advertisement and management [slashdot.org].
i guess this will be to support the accounting package that would be required to funnel all of that money into management and ad's. the extra cpu cycles can be spent rendering 3d molecules for the commercials.
use LaTeX? want an online reference manager that
Re:Why not PPP? (Score:1)
Your alt. names are okay, but I just wanted to point out a flaw in your
Air conditioners work fine when windows are open, they just don't work well. So:
Computers are like air conditioners; they don't work well with Windows open.
EC
Re:Latency (Score:1)
i hear that rocks.
Re:That's kind of weird. (Score:2)
The former supercomputer company is now actually a division of a company called cray, who most likely has other products, including this.
Re: Geekizoid! (Score:1)
Should have done that ages ago.
I kiss you all!
Yuck, oh no you bloody don't!
Re:That's kind of weird. (Score:1)
Re:Craylink and Cray (Score:2)
The next time someone tells you that SGI ran Cray into the ground, just remember that Cray did most of this to themselves, with a combination of massive ego's, unwillingness to consider other points of view, and allowing themselves to be embedded in a completely dysfunctional organization.
I used to work for SGI, but my involvement with the Cray side was very limited. So I bow to your interpretation, which is very plausible in any case.
Still, I think SGI's "lack of focus" is kind of a secondary problem. They've never really had a managment capable of achieving focus, or any broad goal. Current insiders tend to blame this on Wall Street, which went to see Jurasic Park and came away determined to throw money at those who created the technology. Being awash in cash is sure death for any pioneer technology company -- it allows them to avoid addressing all the organizational issues that relate to their long-term survival.
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It's so fast..... (Score:2)
How fast is it?
It's so fast, it takes TWO halt instructions to stop it!
Humor that predates the Arpanet
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Re:I think I see (Score:1)
not really... (Score:1)
As an example, when not working on bioperl :) my day job is with a company that only builds clusters and linux compute farms for the hardcore biotech and pharma crowd. The reason people hire us is that besides the hardware geeks we also have the PhD level computational biologists who understand the algoritihms, software and underlying science. Knowing what your customer is trying to do with the cluster helps greatly in configuring and tuning it :)
Profit margins in hardware, especially in the commodity intel platform are almost non-existant. The way you make money is with the services and software you put on top of the inexpensive hardware.
just my$.02
-chris
Re:Boy what a news day this has been (Score:1)
No, he *isn't* my president. Presidents are elected, so that rules out Dubyuh here. He's a king, or a prime minister maybe, but the term president, as we've known it for 200+ years now, does not apply.
And if you think about it (which, we both know, you wouldn't :), shouting "I'd like to kill the King" is as likely to get someone in trouble as shouting "I'd like to kill the president", so I'm not really sure what your little game would prove. I'd ask you to explain, but it's funnier for me to just undercut you & walk away. So ner.
Feeling a bit insecure in our sexuality, are we private? There there, no one's gonna ask so you don't have to tell.
Re:Cray is dead. (Score:1)
In hindsight, it may have also had something to do with the big IBM shutdowns in Rochester (MN) at the same time. I disrecall what lines IBM cut there, but it was something along the mainframe line, which is something completely different. It may have also been the ongoing "dumping" lawsuit they had with Hitachi(?) that was regularly featured, too.
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can you imagine (Score:1)
Why not PPP? (Score:2)
Curious as to scale: this vs. an IBM S/390 (Score:2)
Choose your scale: ips, ops, ability to compress a 2 1/2 hour DVD to MPEG4 format, etc.
Serious question.
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If Shaft were running the company... (Score:5)
(insert rimshot here)
I'm really looking forward... (Score:1)
Re:can you imagine (Score:1)
-1, Troll (Score:5)
Re:Latency (Score:1)
That's kind of weird. (Score:3)
Jaeger
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Beowulf clusters... (Score:2)
Re:fp (Score:1)
sounds like adam sandler (Score:1)
Re:Boy what a news day this has been (Score:1)
In a Republic, the tyranny of the majority (say, for example, the majority that democratically elected Adolf Hitler Chancellor of Germany) doesn't count. It's the Constitution that trumps all. And the Constitution says that the Electors elect the President, not some tyrannical majority of the people.
Sorry that your schooling in this was lacking. I suspect it probably took place in a government indoctrination center monopoly public school.
Beowulf? (Score:1)
Where exactly do you read Cray will build Beowulf clusters?
For what I'm understanding of the article, Cray will be selling a platform capable of running Beowulf. Quote: (Don Becker) ``Scyld believes the SuperCluster is a pioneering initiative that will produce a strong, differentiated platform capable of fully exploiting the best available commercial technologies, such as Scyld's Beowulf operating system. [...]" In other words: SuperCluster sounds like hardware to me.
The article is very sparse on details, though.
However, I am very exited about the fact another Big Name [tm] joins the Linux revolution ;-)
Re:That's kind of weird. (Score:1)
Re:What is LOL? (Score:1)
Re:Boy what a news day this has been (Score:1)
That's funny, I could not count the number of times I've heard the term "The Greatest Democracy on Earth" used by Americans in reference to America. The phrase is rife in American films, as well as political speaches.
I guess they really mean "The Greatest Republic on Earth" then. That really makes a lot more sense. I always thought the USA had a lot in common with France, after all, they are both republics, and they're both nutorious for testing nuclear bombs.
Good thing that the tyranny of the majority isn't needed to elect another Hitler, in the USA it takes a lot less, in fact a few good friends in the supreme court can get the country goose stepping in no time, no need to wait for a full election.
Tyrrany of the majority indeed! Thanks there mister wea@allmax.com ... oops!
more high end hopes (Score:1)
Leader (Score:1)
I thought this was kinda funny...
Gee, Cray is definitely the "Global supercomputer leader." Their fastest computer is an incredible .18 times as fast as IBM's.
[According to the latest TOP500 Supercomputer Sites list [top500.org], Cray's fastest computer is ranked tenth.]
-thz
Re:Geekizoid! (Score:1)
Cray Beowulf clusters (Score:1)
Here is the the API press release:
http://www.apinetworks.com/pressreleases/pr0129
Hehehe (Score:1)
"...Fear the people who fear your computer"
Re:Latency (Score:5)
That said, at least for the time being, a single memory image system like the Cray T3D/T3E or the Origin line from us (SGI) has better latencies by a lot than Myrinet.
The interesting thing is that as these "OS Bypass" interconnects develop, they are going to get more and more like a standard memory interconnect in a single memory image system and we'll come full circle. But I digress.....
Management will love it (Score:1)
- Is prebuilt and tested
- Works right out of the box (Or at least with very little hassle.)
- Comes with backing/support from an old, well known vendor.
I like the idea of being able to justify linux to management...
Re:Don't support Beowulf (Score:1)
Re:Latency (Score:1)
Re:That's kind of weird. (Score:1)
Beowulf Cluster! (Score:2)
Oh... nevermind!
Re:That's kind of weird. (Score:1)
Re:Technically... (Score:1)
Which Cray is Weird? (Score:2)
Bear in mind that there have been at least four entities called "Cray". All but one would be perfectly at home building clustered micros.
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Re:fp (Score:2)
You can read more about my beowulf cluster at this site [alignment.net].
Slashdot is a good place to spam your own beowulf website!
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Pants? (Score:1)
Scyld will be at LinuxWorld Expo this week (Score:1)
I Need Your Help (Score:4)
I think perhaps my Beoimpotence may have something to do with watching 75% of that Christopher Lambert "Beowulf" movie. Thank G-d the videotape broke. If it had been a DVD, I might have gone insane.
-1, troll (Score:1)
Pots and Kettles (Score:1)
That's pretty funny coming from the guy that came up with "Slashdot"? ;-)
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Re:Which Cray is Weird? (Score:3)
The Origin (MIPS-based) line was never a Cray product. SGI developed it in conjunction with the DASH project at Stanford.
Also, interestingly enough, Cray #4 is actually very close to Cray #1...through the sale and un-sale to SGI, a lot of the extra stuff was stripped back off. Tera bought the name, yes, but they also brought their employee total from ~50 to ~950.
Re:That's kind of weird. (Score:4)
Re:Boy what a news day this has been (Score:1)
I realize that early electors were appointed by the legislatures, but that isn't what happened this year. You must have been watching Rush instead of the news, or you would have saw that whole thing about the supreme court appointing him. It was big news, I'm surprised you missed it...
Latency (Score:2)
Cray is dead. (Score:1)
Nobody needs million$ of dollar$ in capital for HPC anymore -- unless their software really kicks ass or they have some sort of edge in price or support, they're just another cluster vendor.
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Redefining Supercomputer Economics (Score:2)
There may always be a market for the old-style supercomputers, but it is almost certainly going to be much smaller in the years to come. This announcement seems like Cray acknowledging that fact, and trying to keep up with the changes so they will still have a market when and if the big-iron approach dies.
Re:Geekizoid! (Score:1)
Re:Why not PPP? (Score:1)
Technically... (Score:1)
Infiniband for clustering (Score:1)
Re:What is LOL? (Score:1)
Its not really a hacker thing, more of an old internet (or perhaps usenet thing).
HTH. HAND. (Hope that helps. Have a nice day.)
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Re:Latency (Score:1)
I'm not sure it is allways possible.
The situation you describe leaves whatever interconnect in place idle for the majority of the time.
The problem is not having interconnect idle for the majority of the time, the problem is having idle nodes because communication needs too much time.
If you want a big cluster (several hundreds or thousand nodes) for high performance computing for programs with important communication, the cluster needs a low latency high bandwidth network like Myrinet [myri.com], Giganet [giganet.com] or TNet [www.scs.ch] for example. Choosing a cheap network will waste a lot of CPU cycles.
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Re:Cray is dead. (Score:3)
They've won two straight Supercomputing product-of-the-year awards with their SV1 and T3E lines, they have a couple of very highly anticipated (in the HPC community) product releases coming in the next year or two (the MTA-2 and SV2), and, unlike their ex-parent company (SGI), they're actually profitable.
The "dead for almost a decade" you're thinking of probably is related to the fact that they were sucked into SGI for the last 5 years of the 90s. It's hard to hear anything about "Cray", when nobody calls them "Cray" anymore.
Re:That's kind of weird. (Score:1)
No, seriously, I see the trolls mentioning this all of the time, and yet I have no clue what one is..
What is it used for, anyways?
Re:That's kind of weird. (Score:1)
Re:Cray using Linux (Score:1)
Re:Beowulf clusters... (Score:2)
Of course (Score:1)
ps. Now, of course, we're going to see more course posts by ACs on Beowulf Clusters. Yay. I, of course, am going to continue browsing at thresh 1 as a matter of course.
Re:Beowulf? (Score:1)
It must be me, but I am just reading SuperCluster will be based on Alpha/Linux. Nothing about Beowulf. Beowulf isn't even mentioned in the brochure.
Yes, I do believe the system will be capable of running Beowulf, but the article and the borchure are only talking about hardware and some possibilities of the software. Nothing Beowulf specific; the hardware may even be running a Linux kernel with numa patch for what we know.
Beowulf isn't the only cluster technology out there...
Re:Cray is dead. (Score:3)
I think the "new" company has much better focus, and knows what its strengths and weaknesses are. Hopefully, with this new Linux/Alpha clustering, they aren't starting to branch out too far again like they did back then.
Would be neat (Score:2)
Re:Technically... (Score:1)
Ouu..I need to find their pantry.
Too bad... (Score:1)
Still, if you're gonna buy a Beowulf cluster (as opposed to just making one yourself), one with a "Cray" label is way cooler than anything with "IBM" on the box. At least it's an Alpha cluster; it won't say "You-know-what [intel.com] Inside".
Re:That's kind of weird. (Score:1)