Gameboy Emulator For PalmOS 88
isaac was the first of many to point out: "Gambit Studios has finally released Liberty, a Gameboy emulator for PalmOS."
Here's the
FAQ; there are reviews and comments on
PalmInfocenter
and
re-Visor.org.
Speed appears to be an issue and everyone keeps suggesting
Afterburner.
And for the impatient, here's the Liberty
download page.
Update 3 hours later:
Gambit says:
"It has come to our attention that Liberty is having some problems with a number of devices (and many devices NOT having problems). Due to this we have decided to stop the download of this application until the problem is fully investigated and a solution is found." Oh well; ref. the
first noble truth
of the Buddha. Update another 3 hours later: OK, it's available again.
Emulate an emulator emulating hardware (Score:2)
volume (Score:2)
I expect most would do that in their first day.
There are hundreds of gameboy games to download from the internet. You act a little differently when you can try something for free than when you have to cough up $25 every time you want a game.
I don't think it's right to rip off the game producers that way, but I don't think their distribution model is right either.
Gambit disabled Liberty download... (Score:1)
Re:is it just me... (Score:5)
Nintendo is not a big fan of emulators (neither is Sony or Sega), but there really isn't anything that they can do to stop them. With the recent settlements/injunctions between Sony and the , there is no way to say that creating an emulator is illegal. Of course, to play the games without the hardware, you need either a cart ripper or to download the ROM images from the 'net. The emulator doesn't do that, the users do that.
In fact, emulators are a great thing for the game market. It gives programmers an opportunity to work with an almost exact replica of the hardware for nothing. Console development was always a black art because nobody but official developers ever had access to the hardware; emulators change this and allows for an all new generation of programmers to learn like we all did with our C-64's and Apples.
But, I digress. Yes, coming out with an emulator right after a new console comes out would not be good for sales. Coming out after 4,5 or even 10 years later is not as big as an issue, at least with regards to future console development. Gameboy emulators have been around for years and that hasn't stopped them from developing the Gameboy Advanced (which isn't really a development, just a handheld version of the SNES hardware with a different processor).
In other words, emulators are a good thing, IMSHO.
THE FILE IS HERE! (Score:1)
Re:No Downloads (Score:2)
Just my $0.02.
Re:No Downloads (Score:1)
I didn't mean to imply that it's bad to avoid being slashdotted, I'm just curious as to why you'd want to take it down just because some people were having problems.
I mean, if it's a DEMO, what the heck. Just attach a note to it saying that it's beta or something. :)
Re:Emulate an emulator emulating hardware (Score:1)
Re:Control Issue (Score:1)
I think you'll adapt to the monumental 4-button interface. Humans can do that, these days.
WOWOWOWOOWWJ OP!p! 1O[P OAOHA0- (Score:1)
BECAAUASE CHMIPSKNWOOBO HWO TO ues teh PLAM PAIloT!!!1 MY HANDSD ARE TO BIGG FRO teh gamebaoy!!!1 TEHY SHUOLD MAEK A "GAMECHIMMP" TAHT SI SPECAILLY DESGNIED FOR CAHIMPS LIEK MEE!!!1
CE Emulators (Score:1)
Text mode Quake? Try FaceBall. (Score:2)
and the real question is: can it play textmode quake?
The predecessor to Wolf3d (the predecessor to Doom (the predecessor to Quake)) is FaceBall for Game Boy. Buy the cartridge, download the ROM to your Palm device, and play away.
Re:GameBoy the best hardware? (Score:1)
The gameboy was designed with - guess what - GAMES in mind. Palm was not designed for such. That's why todays middle-of-the-road car can still get it's rear-end kicked by a 60's hot-rod.
Write and ask for Game Gear. (Score:2)
Pokemon and Tetris? Is that all? (Score:2)
Ad infinitum. (Score:2)
[S]NES off-system hardware (Score:3)
Not possible. (Score:2)
Not bad on a VX with Afterburner (Score:1)
I think my main concern if I were to buy the thing would be how well the buttonf would hold up. The date book and address book buttons just don't seem robust enough to take a constant hammering like the Gameboy direction pad.
Re:Color (Score:1)
Re:Money (Score:2)
Hmmm, this with a TRGPro and a 340MB microdrive... neat!
Re:is it just me... (Score:2)
It's pretty much a fact that if you take a general-purpose piece of hardware and write a program for it that simulates what another piece of hardware was specifically designed to do, it's going to end up a) Slower, and b) More expensive. (Unless you wait several years for technology to catch up.)
Am I really going to wait until 2004 to buy a Pentium-7/3000 so that I can download an emulator that simulates the PSX2 at a reasonable speed? Probably not. By the same token, the Gameboy has essentially reached market saturation by now. If you were going to buy a Gameboy, you probably would have already.
Re:Control Issue (Score:1)
Ho hum, dog bites man (Score:1)
They jumped the gun!! (Score:1)
July 7, 2000
// Aaron Ardiri
// Michael Ethetton
Stockholm, Sweden
It has come to our attention that Liberty is having some problems with a number of devices (and many devices NOT having problems). Due to this we have decided to stop the download of this application until the problem is fully investigated and a solution is found.
- the Liberty development team
Re:Pokemon compatability (Score:1)
- chris
- chris@unbeliever.netspam
- i hate capitals
- aim:arikel6000 / yahoo:blackrose91
Two things... (Score:2)
Re:No Downloads (Score:2)
Re:is it just me... (Score:2)
Perhaps paying Big Blue for a box that requires one to reinforce their desk (seriously.. I had to move an old IBM AT recently.. the Keyboard weighed 10 lbs, the monitor 75, the CPU 60..)
UnPlayable (Score:2)
A) It only works with 32k ROMs(the demo version at least), which are pretty old.
B) Even 32k ROMs are so slow on it that they are unplayable, you get almost 1 fps.
C) They recommend AfterBurner, games are still unplayable with it.
And a few funnies from thier website:
In the compatibility section:
0 games tested
0 games playable
In the Known Problems section:
Problem: -blank-
Solution: Download latest version
Afterburner (Score:1)
Mr. Jaggers [fnord.org]
what if nintendo/sega/sony worked with them? (Score:1)
B1ood
The inevitable mirror. (Score:1)
At any rate, I snagged copies and posted 'em here [technopagan.org]. Get 'em while they're hot.
Re:GameBoy the best hardware? (Score:2)
The only thing that is done on a gameboy cart is rumble. That's the only thing that nintendo provides other than added ram. I've never worked on older systems, but I think that adding functionality to the cart was a very special case and it cut a huge chunk into the profit margins for a given game. So unless you're totally in bed with Nintendo, such extras are *not* feasable for the average publisher.
Not to say that you're wrong, but could you point out any NES/SNES games that did use off system hardware?
loser (Score:1)
At any rate, aaron and maven have reposted the newest really working version, so o get that at
www.palmgear.com
www.ardiri.com and
www.gambitstudios.com
delete the older versions. 1.0 1.0a 1.0b
you have been warned
Re:Final Fantasy on my palm... (Score:1)
32 Meg of RAM, a 131 Mhz RISC, a large high-res color screen, stereo sound and an integrated gamepad helps a lot for console emulators !
Tiny Gameboy roms (Score:1)
http://www.nwnet.co.uk/syko/gb.html [nwnet.co.uk]
and you can dig up a few here as well:
http://emulation.zone.ru/gbroms_e.html [emulation.zone.ru]
From what I've heard, the smaller roms, usualy heavily action based, supposedly perform worse than many of the much larger roms like pokemon.
It's definately not quite there yet speed wise, but if it were just a *little* bit more optimized and if you could just clock the palm a *little* higher than 32... who knows
Re:Money (Score:1)
Why not write a Pokémon adventure for the Kyle's Quest engine instead? :-)
Re:Are these guys masochists? (Score:1)
And it looks like they are trying to instill the same geek factor that made my friend get doom. not that I mind of course :)
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Re:Control Issue (Score:1)
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: ) (Score:1)
Catch me on AIM: SigningiS
What would we call that? (Score:1)
Would we call that "six degrees of separation?"
Ever get the impression that your life would make a good sitcom?
Ever follow this to its logical conclusion: that your life is a sitcom?
Re:windowsCE (Score:1)
Re:[S]NES off-system hardware (Score:1)
Re:Emulate an emulator emulating hardware (Score:1)
Mac > Virtual PC > Linux > Wine > Windows Palm Emulator > Gameboy Emulator for Palm
That's six parts, if not six degrees of separation.
Re:is it just me... (Score:1)
-John
Final Fantasy on my palm... (Score:1)
Super Mario Brothers (Score:1)
Joystick? (Score:1)
Re:Super Mario Brothers (Score:1)
Money (Score:4)
Palm IIIc from buy.com: $449
Gameboy from buy.com: $70
Gameboy games from buy.com: $25 each
I only have to steal 17.96 games to make it worth it!!!
Then again, I've had a Game boy since 1997 and I only ever actually bought Tetris and Spider-Man anyway. And Tetris came with the thing. Hm.
Control Issue (Score:3)
-- demiurge
You find a file that appears important and obliterate it from memory!!!
Score one for the downtrodden hacker!
Re:Super Mario Brothers (Score:1)
Re:is it just me... (Score:2)
With regard to point (a), remember that a Palm device is pretty slow to begin with, 'cause it's been optimized for longer battery life, not speed. The Liberty FAQ mentions that you may need an overclocker utility to get decent performance...and the faster you push the processor, the faster you're gonna wear out your batteries. You'd probably get better battery life out of a real GameBoy.
With regard to point (b), consider that GameBoys are currently going for something like $50 apiece, whereas the least expensive Palm devices (a IIIe or the base-model Visor) are three times that (and they only have about 2Mb of RAM at that, which won't fit very many of the newer games).
So this emulator is a possibly-interesting toy at best; if you want real GameBoy action, you should probably just cough up the dough for a real one anyway. Somehow I don't think Nintendo is going to lose a lot of sleep over this.
But I might download Liberty anyway and check it out, just for grins. (Hmm, I wonder if they've implemented, or are planning to implement, 2-player GameLink emulation using the IR port? That would be interesting...)
Eric
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GameBoy the best hardware? (Score:1)
Re:They jumped the gun!! (Score:1)
Dissenter
Re:Emulate an emulator emulating hardware (Score:3)
No Downloads (Score:3)
More to the point:
This seems like funny timing to me. I wonder if it's just an attempt to avoid being slashdotted. I mean, just because it's having problems in some places doesn't mean that you don't want the other people to be able to demo it.
I hate to be the big "Microsoft"-guy here (Score:1)
Re:GameBoy the best hardware? (Score:4)
Re:Emulate an emulator emulating hardware (Score:1)
Nuthin' but net.
Ever get the impression that your life would make a good sitcom?
Ever follow this to its logical conclusion: that your life is a sitcom?
Download removed! (Score:1)
Are these guys masochists? (Score:1)
Unless you're masochists. Then I aplaud you. Masochism's all cool, it's a hell of a lot prettier than taking your problems and wierdnesses out on other people. (picturing people with guns here) So keep at it, dudes, don't let me stop you.
Oh, and right now I'm thinking maybe it shoulda started with something like a TRS-80 emulator or Atari 2600 emulator, something where all the games are under 32k instead of just the crappy ones.
Ever get the impression that your life would make a good sitcom?
Ever follow this to its logical conclusion: that your life is a sitcom?
Palm V (Score:1)
--
Marc A. Lepage (aka SEGV)
Noooo!!! (Score:1)
Newbie: Whaddya mean IT'S NOT A GAME BOY?!?! the web page said you could turn your TI-83+ into a GAME BOY!!! that's the whole reason I bought this PILE of LARD!!! now HELP ME, you lousy SACK of BOLOGNA!!!! I want GAMES, and I WANT them YESTERDAY!!!!
Me: Uhhhh, that's a TI-85--
Newbie: SHUT and DO AS I SAY, hear??
So much for the fallback of saying "you can't expect to turn them on and expect instant games, games games, they aren't gameboys" (unless you know wtf you're doing, hehe). We better not let that happen.
Ever get the impression that your life would make a good sitcom?
Ever follow this to its logical conclusion: that your life is a sitcom?
Re:Palm V (Score:1)
Re:Emulate an emulator emulating hardware (Score:2)
My idea? (keep in mind people IT DON'T WORK)...
Commodore 64 emulator running under Unix.... running under... Lunix (Thats Lunix NOT Linux... diffrent systems)....
For those that don't know... Lunix is a Unix like system for the Commodore 64...
It won't work.. The C64 dosn't have enough memory to run a c64 emulator and can't run XFree becouse it has NONE of the requirements (Not supported, not enough ram, low end display (TV) etc.. it has a mouse.. thats all)
Re:Palm V (Score:1)
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Marc A. Lepage (aka SEGV)
Re:Final Fantasy on my palm... (Score:1)
Re:THIS EMULATOR HAS PROBLEMS! (Score:1)
Re:Money (Score:2)
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Re:loser (Score:1)
BTW, if you are in fact a representative of the corp, you really should consider at least getting a non-AC account. Looks all nice and professional and stuff. Definitely worth the 45-second investment.
Re:Emulate an emulator emulating hardware (Score:1)
MMmm... Emulation... (Score:1)
www.badassmofo.com [badassmofo.com]
*Redesigned, high in fiber, low in cholesterol*
Just when Palms were becoming usefeul... (Score:1)
-Superb0wl
Yeah! (Score:2)
Or just buy 2 Gameboy colors, the printer, a handful of multiplayer games, and 2 batterypacks, and you are *still* ahead of the game.
Sigh
-AS
Re:Final Fantasy on my palm... (Score:1)
Color (Score:1)
I know that games only for gameboy color won't be supported.
What about the reverse? (Score:1)
Zip and sit are up on palmgear.com (Score:1)
Liberty Mirror (Score:1)
Liberty at PalmGear [palmgear.com]
--SONET
http://www.hbcsd.12.ca.us/peterson/technology
Re:Money (Score:1)
if it ain't broke, then fix it 'till it is!
Re:Zip and sit are up on palmgear.com (Score:1)
Anyone who got it before it was pulled -- can you post a mirror somewhere?
is it just me... (Score:3)
I'm not saying that competition is a bad thing. Of course we want to be able to buy our hardware from different vendors and be able to get the best value for our dollar. But the availability of emulators sure makes it hard for companies to justify any kind of innovation, when they know that everything they do will become available for free anyway. Do you want to be stuck with the same game console for the next 20 years because Nintendo, Sega, et. al. can't justify the costs in developing in a new console?
Me neither.
Re:Color (Score:1)
If the game is designed to run ONLY on a Color GameBoy, you cannot run hat game on the emulator. However, you can run the B&W games on a Color Palm, and select a color palette for some nice variety! " -- Gambit Studios Liberty Emulator FAQ's
If you meant that you can select a color palette, then yes.
Re:Color (Score:1)
Pokemon compatability (Score:2)
My point is that is they can't play Pokemon, they won't be popular. Sick, isn't it?
Re:is it just me... (Score:3)
Sure, there are a lot of R&D costs, but when they sell the hardware on the street I'll bet they either break even or take a loss. The games are where all the money is at, and in the long run th e cost of R&D will be recovered there.
But the availability of emulators sure makes it hard for companies to justify any kind of innovation, when they know that everything they do will become available for free anyway.
Two things here, first of all, how many games have you played in emulators? Often times the games have unstable sound, jittery graphics, or don't run at all. Second, the whole point of developing new consoles is to give home users a better gaming environment on dedicated hardware. Sure, you can put games on your PC, but then you have to have a fast enough processor, video, and enough ram to drive the game. At least with a console you know the game will run correctly on your system the first time, no brains needed.