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Inspector Clouseau (Score:5, Funny)
Inspector Clouseau
Re:Inspector Clouseau (Score:5, Insightful)
I believe everything and I believe nothing. I suspect everyone and I suspect no one.
Missing Option (Score:4, Funny)
Gotta Go With Cuba (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Gotta Go With Cuba (Score:4, Interesting)
I picked Cuba, because, what with their meager resources, it's validation of mattering. It'd almost be an honor to be monitored by them. Plus, you know, interrogations on the Caribbean beach. I'm sure that it's JUST like that.
Re:Gotta Go With Cuba (Score:3)
Yeah, I went with Cuba too, but for different reasons.
Look at how much resource the NSA has, or the Ministry of State Security... Now compare those to Cuba. I'd rather people spying on me were resource poor.
Re:Gotta Go With Cuba (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Gotta Go With Cuba (Score:2)
Sure, US companies are probably the biggest market for your web search history and the list of stores that you shop at, but the market for information like your credit card number, your checking account number and routing information, and your mother's maiden name is world wide. So the question is are we talking about "3rd party cookies" spying or "malware with keylogger" spying?
Re:Gotta Go With Cuba (Score:2)
The answer is middlemen. Surely.
Re:Gotta Go With Cuba (Score:3, Funny)
DRINK!
(Sorry, I have a new drinking game. One of the rules is you have to drink whenever someone says "you are the product".)
Re:Gotta Go With Cuba (Score:2)
I think the smart thing to do would be to allow everyone 100 gigs of cloud storage by the government. No need to spy on people when they upload everything to you. The vast majority would be happy to trade privacy for free storage.
Proud to be an American! (Score:2, Insightful)
As a 3rd generation American citizen I would rather be spied on by the USA than any other country. Besides, nothing surprising has been revealed about what the NSA was doing, it's all been known for decades. New medium, same old spying. You would have to be under 30 or been sheltered from the nightly news the last 20 years to not know that governement agencies tap into everything from phones to snail mail and all digital variations there of. Kids these days...
Re:Proud to be an American! (Score:2)
I was actually perfectly aware that it was very likely happening. What of it? That doesn't make it okay. No one notable bothers to make the argument that it's surprising; they just say that it's morally wrong and unconstitutional.
Re:Proud to be an American! (Score:2)
Besides, nothing surprising has been revealed about what the NSA was doing, it's all been known for decades. New medium, same old spying.
Do not let anybody tell you that. We didn't know the detailed picture of what is happening today. We didn't know about the very extensive Internet wiretapping of NSA. We didn't know about PRISM, we didn't know about XKeyScore and various other tools. We didn't know about NSA infiltrating to standardization bodies to weaken cryptographic algorithms. And so on.
Re:Proud to be an American! (Score:3)
The NSA isn't going to land me in jail or kill me
Uhuh. Sure, dude, sure.
Re:Proud to be an American! (Score:2)
Re:Proud to be an American! (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Proud to be an American! (Score:3, Informative)
It's not nearly so cut-and-dried as you suggest: source [theguardian.com]
Re:Proud to be an American! (Score:2)
Very interesting. Now can we please have those rules properly expressed in BNF http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backus-Naur_Form [wikipedia.org] ?
Re:Proud to be an American! (Score:2)
I feel like folks far, far away from here knowing something private about me would have less inherent risk of impacting my life than folks who could stop by and knock on my door sometime.
Are you an unfriendly person? What's wrong with folks coming by to visit? They're from the government, and they're here to help. Maybe they'll bring cookies.
Sigourney Weaver (Score:3)
Well, if we can choose who we'll be spied on by....
mark
Re:Sigourney Weaver (Score:2)
Obviously, none of those (Score:2)
Cuba Libre (Score:2)
Re:Cuba Libre (Score:2)
they just don't want protests at gitmo. they want to be the only american customer of cuba you see, keeps the beachfront property pricing down.
Missing Options (Score:5, Funny)
_ Facebook
_ The Dream Police
Re:Missing Options (Score:2)
_ Google _ Facebook _ The Dream Police
That doesn't work. Here's why: Google + Facebook data are 100% accessible by the NSA, which is a choice on the original list. And, Cheap Trick sucks, so The Dream Police is disqualified.
Damn it (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Damn it (Score:3, Insightful)
Don't worry about it. They are all very deserving.
Re:Damn it (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Damn it (Score:2)
Re:Damn it (Score:2)
Try to think of it as a headcount.
Mrs. Grundy (Score:3)
A link for those who don't know who Mrs. Grundy [wikipedia.org] is.
Cheers,
Dave
Ik mis de Mossad (Score:3)
Ik mis de Mossad (slashdot y u no unicode)
Re:Ik mis de Mossad (Score:2)
Re:Ik mis de Mossad (Score:5, Funny)
They are too effective. They hacked slashdot and removed the option. Your post will soon disappear.
Re:Ik mis de Mossad (Score:3)
False pretext? (Score:2)
Missing Option (Score:2)
Missing option (and most likely).
All of them.
GRU (Score:2)
would be a compliment.
I voted "other"... (Score:3)
Monaco.
"You know who..." (Score:4, Insightful)
CowboyNeal
Re:"You know who..." (Score:3)
Possible options:
Cowboy Neil already spies on me.
Cowboy Neil spies on the NSA for me.
Cowboy Neil shields me from the NSA.
Cowboy Neil configured TOR for me.
Bhutanese Police (Score:2)
E) All of the above (Score:2)
You don't get to pick which state agencies are spying on you. The reality is that it's probably all of the above plus a bunch of other ones that aren't listed.
Going along with some of the comments - you do maybe have a choice in some of the other entities that are spying on you (Google, MSFT, Facebook, etc.) The question is whether you want to avoid all useful Internet services in the interest of your own privacy. Bottom line - if you're accessing something, someone is recording that access and probably selling or commoditizing that recorded data point in a dozen different ways. Possibly/probably including giving or selling that data to foreign and domestic intelligence agencies.
Absolute privacy on the Internet is a zero sum game. The only way to win is to not play.
The correct answer is Russia. (Score:2)
And in that vector, Putin has been more beneficial and friendly to the average American in the last few years than the sitting government of the US.
Re:The correct answer is Russia. (Score:3, Funny)
Re:The correct answer is Russia. (Score:2)
So you chose the turd sandwich over the giant douche. Congrats.
1984 Times (Score:2)
Re:1984 Times (Score:2)
That's not irony, its a coincidence.
Re:1984 Times (Score:3)
Re:1984 Times (Score:2)
For their own self-preservation ... (Score:2)
... I would advise any agency against spying on me. The best possible outcome for them is losing a few agents to terminal boredom.
Missing choice (Score:2)
I prefer G.C.I. (Score:2)
The Guild of Calamitous Intent.
Whose attention is worth the most? (Score:3)
Who would be spying on me? (Score:2)
Who gains anything from spying on me? Foreign agencies don't have any cause to - I'm not employed in anything remotely resembling defense or espionage, and I've done nothing that would flag me as an enemy of any state (besides make snarky comments about most of them).
So that leaves my own government. I don't have access to anything even marginally classified, not even the newspaper job postings. So I'm not likely to be an enemy spy. I've not made any preparations to do anything against the US government, besides some sarcastic comments about killing all the lawyers (which even a cursory investigation would reveal as a complete joke). I have no association with terrorists, organized crime, or any other opposed groups. Spying on me in particular would be a complete waste of my tax money.
So the only thing that leaves is dragnet spying. And you know what? If they kept it within reasonable limits, that would be fine. But they're literally trying to wiretap the entire planet. Not only is that an unimaginable invasion of privacy, but your signal-to-noise ratio is going to approach 0. I don't care who does it - anyone even interested in doing it is fundamentally working for the side of evil.
It's like the difference between homicide and genocide. You want to kill me? Well, you'd better have a good reason, and if I'm doing anything that would give you a reason I'd also be taking measures to defend myself when it happens. I won't like it, but I can deal with that. But if you want to kill *everyone*? That's just incomparable - nine orders of magnitude doesn't even cover it. Same with spying.
Re:Who would be spying on me? (Score:2)
As for tax payers money its win win win, the political leaders get warnings about the press/sources, the contractors get paid to help watch you, the gov agencies get huge new budgets and domestic powers.
Re:Who would be spying on me? (Score:2)
If they kept it within reasonable limits, that would be fine.
I fail to understand how violating people's rights would ever be fine or reasonable. I just can't agree with that.
Stupid poll (Score:2)
The fact that /. would consider conducting such a poll is to me at least in part a reflection of the strikingly apathetic attitude that most people seem to have towards the outrageous conduct of the various national security agencies nowadays. Before 1989 it was something that only those living out their wretched lives in countries like East Germany had to endure, but that was because they lived in a police state. Yet, when it is revealed that our own "democratically elected" governments are now doing the same thing on a massive scale, most people seem blithely unconcerned.
How about we do something about all of this, including the NSA, by getting money out of politics [wolf-pac.com] ?
NSA least likely to broadcast my data (Score:2)
Uh, I'll take the nerds (Score:2)
Spetssvyaz is the Russian communications security agency (part of FSO).
Why is CSE (Canada) so high? (Score:5, Funny)
Just curious, but why is the Canadian option so high? (I'm a Canadian).
Does our reputation for being polite make people think our spying is also polite? Like, maybe you get a note indicating you're being spied on, along with a poutine and a tim horton's coffee?
Or does everyone just think/know that our intelligence agencies are rather harmless...
Re:Why is CSE (Canada) so high? (Score:2)
Or does everyone just think/know that our intelligence agencies are rather harmless...
Probably less about your intelligence agencies (or perceptions thereof) and more about your specops boys (or perceptions thereof). If one doesn't set foot in either USA or Canadian territory, one seems a lot more likely to be assassinated by the US than Canada. (Though the recent feats of Furlong [wikipedia.org] and Perry [wikipedia.org] make this a dubious assumption -- Canadians may not do as much killing as Americans, but some of them are certainly very, very good at it.)
That said, if I were doing something that made me think any nation would try to assassinate me, I sure wouldn't bet my life on a lack of information-sharing amongst the UK and any/all former colonies thereof.
Re:Why is CSE (Canada) so high? (Score:2)
Re:Why is CSE (Canada) so high? (Score:2)
Because the Canadians were the only ones good enough to find the President's analyst [wikipedia.org].
CSIS (Score:2)
https://www.csis-scrs.gc.ca/ [csis-scrs.gc.ca] [csis-scrs.gc.ca]
CSIS is the actual spy agency. Not sure exactly what CSE is, which is a bit unnerving.
On one hand, it seems they didn't come into existence until 2001, under the anti-terrorism act. Great. Who knew about that.
On the other reading their bio, it doesn't seem so bad. Crypto, signals collection (which everyone does anyway), consults other government to secure systems against intrusion (which is a good thing), advises government on this sort of stuff for decision making, which is better than politicians just winging it.
Weirdly, seems totally separate from SCIS. An expansion of CSEC, which has been around apparently since signals intercept in WWII.
I am guessing those too nerdy for SCIS go into CSE... :)
CSE *IS* probably monitoring slashdot, but perhaps not at their managers express direction if you know what I mean...
*waves at all the CSE officers slacking*
USA (Score:5, Funny)
The USA, because they are bound by laws and the constitution. Since they must follow the Bill of Rights, you know they aren't going to spy on you or act on any intelligence (false positive or otherwise) without proper due process.
Other countries' intelligence agencies, on the other hand, will swoop you up in the dead of night from a foreign country and send you off to a prison camp where you will be tortured, or their law enforcement agencies could coerce you into admitting to a crime you didn't commit by threatening to send you off to that prison camp, all in the name of fighting terrorism when really some stooge just wants to check the box next to "case closed." According to my high school social studies teacher, the good ol' USA would never commit such atrocities.
Re:USA (Score:2)
I am assuming that whole post should have been modded up +5 Funny, but for those that don't get the sarcasm it represents I would like to add my two cents to the mix.
Let alone the fact that the good old US of A violates the Bill of Rights, the Geneva Convention and a whole slew of international and sensible treaties on Human rights and rights in general faster than you'd be able to say porridge, I must also point out the sheer arrogance of many US citizens when they indeed trumpet their nation as the birthplace of anything that's democratic (a Greek word) and free (an old Saxon/Frisian/Germanic/Scandinavian word).
Firstly, the United States are not the only country on the planet that has a Constitution. it might behoove people to remember that (amongst others) the Dutch Unie van Utrecht out of 1579 and the Dutch Revolt against the Spanish served as inspiration for Jefferson et al when they were looking to write their constitution and declaration of independence. So no, the US did not invent humanism, the enlightenment, the notion of an inalienable freedom to believe what you wish and other core things. Those have been around far longer than the US across many cultures on this globe.
Hell, I use a shaving soap from a factory that was started in 1565. My shaving soap is actually older than the US itself.
Secondly, given the levels of poverty, incarceration, the amount of annual executions, the lack of healthcare or even access to education many of your citizens suffer do point in the direction that the USA is actually becoming an impoverished, brutish, oppressive and uncivilized nation. As we all know paranoia, poverty and an unlimited supply of guns for the largest army on the planet are hardly a mix I would call "a jolly good idea".
Having said all that, for those that still don't get the sarcasm of the poster I'm replying to: I do indeed suggest you let the Canadians spy on you. They do seem more civilized than the other options in the poll.
What no Google, Yahoo, Procter and Gamble ? (Score:2)
I am much much more worried about what companies know about me than I ever will be about the government.
Re:What no Google, Yahoo, Procter and Gamble ? (Score:2)
Well, I hate to say this, but while corporations are just greedy entities that seem only care about expansion and profit, not in that order, governments actually should be somewhat ideological in nature.
As such I'd rather have particular governments spy on me. At the moment, I could deal with the Swedish, Norwegian, Danish, Swiss, Dutch, possibly maybe the German, Belgian, French and Finnish governments spying on me. As for the rest, I am not so sure.
Conceptually speaking I do endorse governments before corporations.
Dirac Angestun Gesept: (Score:2)
Bhutin Urhava was next. The list is long.
Three of these are essentially the same.... (Score:2)
If you are being spied upon by CSEC or GCHQ, you are being spied by the NSA - and the Aussies and the Kiwis - and vice versa.
Reading about ECHELON left as an exercise for the reader.
French touch (Score:2)
Missing option (Score:2)
No one is interested in spying on me you insensitive clod!
Surprise and ruthless efficiency... (Score:2)
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!
...laura
Missing option (Score:2)
All of the above.
My Ex... (Score:2)
... because he's not that smart.
It doesn't matter (Score:2)
With a few exceptions they're all collecting data about everyone they can and some are sharing it with the others.
CSE not CSIS? (Score:2)
WTF is CSE?
I thought the Canadian Spy Agency was CSIS?
https://www.csis-scrs.gc.ca/ [csis-scrs.gc.ca]
I guess Canada spy agency is so super secretive that no one even knows their name! Not even slashdot, whom we all know are held to such a high standard of journalism and research. Unless this is some joke that is whooshing over me right now in regards to CSE....
In a fun related note, I had a friend in college that had his voice mail say; "Hi you've reached CSIS, we are currently not available, but if you leave your shoe size, and your hair colour we will get back to you, thank you!" :) I always thought it was funny at any rate.
China (Score:2)
They are the least likely to share information with my own government. They also have no interest in anything that I do.
I really do not care who spies on me as long as they have no power or influence over me.
Either none of the above or something irrelevant (Score:3)
[ ] None of the above.
Failing that, oh I don't know, maybe Ghana or Bhutan or some other country that will never have an impact on my life
Re:Absolutely no one (Score:3)
Unless I'm a suspect for a specific crime and you obtain a warrant, go take a flying leap you bastards.
This is probably just my selfishness talking, but in that situation I'd especially not like to be spied on.
Re:Have already been spied on by.. (Score:2)
Google Plus (Score:5, Insightful)
I see that Google+ by your userid.
You've made your choice to be spied on by Google.
Re:Google Plus (Score:4, Insightful)
And by extension, every government of each country in which they operate.
Re:Google Plus (Score:2)
agreed, I voted "other agency", by which I mean Google. Although they're not my most preferred spy organization, just the most powerful and prevalent.
Re:I guess (Score:2)
I voted NSA, mainly because I'm located in a country far, far away from the USA and my shit is utterly uninteresting.
Re:I guess (Score:2)
That only applies if the government has the same opinions about things that you do, and if it isn't corrupt; both of those are foolish assumptions to make, I think. Oh, and you'd better hope that they don't misinterpret a joke or something; they'll make your life hell, as they did to a few people already.
Re:I guess (Score:4, Funny)
I hate the choices in this poll.
Me too. Where is the extraterrestrial option? This has the added benefit that if they are spying on me, they probably aren't kidnapping and probing me. I hate when that happens. Spying is much better. [puts tinfoil hat back on]
Re:I guess (Score:5, Funny)
Where's the option "The one that lets me have an interface to their amazing backup service."
Voted Russia, for much the same reason. (Score:2)
Because they probably don't care what I did, being a foreign national that doesn't even live there and all that.
I voted Russia for the same reason. I consider a distant foreign land to be far less of a threat to me than the country that I live in and am within easy reach of or all of its close allies who would gladly end-run around the Fourth Amendment for them. It's not like the agencies violating our civil rights care anything for them, so there's no real advantage in them being from nominally "free" states.
China & Russia are relatively hostile to the US spy agencies, so there's little chance of information sharing, and I don't see anything I do in the future as a likely threat to Russia. If Russia spies on me, they'll get bored pretty quickly because I have little to no positive or negative interest in them or their affairs. China, on the other hand, is a future competitor in software or any other industry I might engage in. They might actually care about me at some point.
Re:Voted Russia, for much the same reason. (Score:2)
Don't you remember the Boston Marathon bombers? Putin went on-and-on about how Russia was trying to tell the U.S. about those characters.
Two important things to take away from that:
1) Russia and the US don't share information well.
2) The only reason Russia cared is because as radicalizing Chenyans, they were a threat to Russia's security. I'm not and probably never will be.
Re:Canada (Score:2)
I voted "Canada" - but on second thought, their government is so much in bed with the US government, that being spied on by the CSE is tantamount to being spied on by the NSA.
Re:Canada (Score:2)
The majority of the Canadian government is NOT "...in bed with the US government..."
Don't know which country you're from...
In fact the governing party was elected under one of the smallest minority governments in Canadian history. (since, they had been re-elected as a SMALL majority government due mainly to voter apathy)
Then you not only contradict yourself, but fail to realize that the minority came about as a result of first past the post vote splitting and electoral fraud.
2011 Canadian federal election voter suppression scandal [wikipedia.org]
Re:Canada (Score:2)
Sorry majority.
Re:Canada (Score:3)
Re:Canada (Score:2)
Re:the Illuminati! (Score:2)
NO! Don't let them Immanentize the Eschaton!
(Sorry, couldn't resist)
Re:I'd have to say... (Score:2)
Why not Luxemburg? Liechtenstein? Andorra? Monaco? Tonga?
Personally I wouldn't mind being spied on intensively by Ancilla Tilia, but that just makes me sound sexist and / or desperate. Plus she's not into that kind of thing.