First Full Review of New Asus Eee PC 900 266
An anonymous reader writes "After months of rumors, the new 8.9in screen Eee PC is out in the open and the first review is online. As well as the larger screen you get 1GB RAM, 20GB Storage and a multi-touch touchpad. It costs more than the old Eee PC, but it definitely sounds like it's worth the extra cash." I always thought the appeal of the original was the ridiculously low price, coupled with the ease of hacking. Not sure if the sequel will meet that challenge.
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my boss has one of the orginal ones.. and putting xp on it was no issue driver wise.. now cramming XP and office 03 on it for him
but drivers where no issue at all
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If he didn't he'll be soon hitting the upper limit of the rewrite cycle endurance of the SSD.
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Tweaking Linux and XP to minimise flash writes (Score:3, Interesting)
Hard drive wouldn't make sense. (Score:3, Insightful)
For something like the Eee, I think flash is entirely appropriate, and 20GB is a good bunch of storage for a small machine like this.
If you need the 300GB, you could get a USB powered external disk and plug it in to watch your seasons on the go.
Not every product is going to be perfect for everyone, and your claim of trading 512MB RAM for a huge ass hard disk doesn't jive wi
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Optical drive, wut? (Score:2, Funny)
Set it on top of the keyboard and wait for osmosis to kick in?
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Not any more, its a two piece power supply now. [trustedreviews.com] It looks like a figure-of-8 mains connection to the transformer, rather than a "kettle cord" or a clover leaf.
But on the other hand, if you go to a country with different mains sockets you can take a different cable rather than an extra adapter.... but in reality you're going to want your home country's cable too, just incase.
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And the size is a real winner, I for one have to carry a whole load of other crap about with me, and I have to carry it on the tube at rush-hour.
That said, I've not got one and Im not going to die from caring the standard laptop either. This model is capable of being a good replacement to a laptop, but with such a small scr
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And I totally dig that.
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Stop eating and get a real computer, fatass.
Re:Wrong (Score:5, Funny)
Luxury. I carry around a full-sized tower under my left arm, an NEC 21" CRT monitor under my right arm, and an IBM model M keyboard on a specially designed carrying attachment on my penis.
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Oh ya, and I would ride my bike with a backpack full of books to and from my bus stop.
Oh, and while you might feel smart using a word like "jingoist" in your post, you come off looking really dumb when the poster to which you responded is an Ameri
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I hate carrying a heavy laptop around.
My old 8.1 pound monster of an Inspiron 1100?
My old 3.5 pound ThinkPad X21? Nice, very nice indeed... but it could've been lighter.
My old 5.5 pound ThinkPad R51e? Too heavy.
My 4.3 pound ThinkPad X61 Tablet? Could be lighter.
My 4.9 pound iBook G4? Again, could be lighter.
An eee (or something similar) would be GREAT for me to have at work. Something small enough to be pocketable (in a la
Re:xp? (Score:5, Informative)
I do miss the nice tabbed interface, but most of the bundled apps were pretty worthless and those that were actually useful are free downloads anyway.
The one thing I really want is a 2nd battery pack and external charger- the battery life on an eee is pretty maarginal.
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What do you mean by external charger?
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Of course on Linux you can easily hold the ALT key and drag the window to make the buttons visible. Not possible on windows without third party hacks.
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Of course on Linux you can easily hold the ALT key and drag the window to make the buttons visible. Not possible on windows without third party hacks.
Alt+Space,m,[arrow keys].
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Battery life is a major downside (Score:5, Interesting)
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Re:Battery life is a major downside (Score:5, Informative)
On the other hand, when I am on a plane with the wireless off and just typing or playing solitaire and listening to music, I get over 4 hours of life from it. So your usage pattern matters a lot.
Re:Battery life is a major downside (Score:4, Informative)
Uh, do you actually use Linux, or just mouth off about it? Because while we're talking anecdotes, I can think of at least three distros which support the power management on my bog-standard Acer laptop better than the Windows XP it came with -- without any configuration hacks of any kind whatsoever.
The real problem is people who pretend to know what they're talking about.
Re:Battery life is a major downside (Score:5, Interesting)
Of course all evidence is anecdotal, even your acer story. I know what I'm talking about as much as you do.
So, umm, yes. I really do use Linux. I am a Linux system administrator and developer. I last touched windows on anything I owned over 10 years ago. I don't consider myself an evangelist, but I do promote linux as much as possible and our organization runs its server room 100% on linux and has for years. In short, Linux kicks butt.
Here's the deal. I've wanted to replace my PowerBook 12" for a couple of years now, so I've looked at the options. I'd prefer a Linux laptop. Every laptop I've looked at (Thinkpad X61, Dell Latitude D420, etc) all look really good in terms of specifications and do generally run Linux pretty well. But everyone that owns them and runs linux on them puts up with things like suspend to disk instead of suspend to RAM, and abysmal battery life, like 4 hours on the biggest batteries (like 8 or 9 cells). Right now I have a Windows user (XP) with a D420 and the standard battery. He gets 5 hours when aggressive management is turned on. Another user running Linux, on the other hand, hits 3 hours at most. *Every* linux laptop user I know has to fudge with ACPI scripts and things to get the various suspend and hibernate modes to work. This is partly the fault of linux distributions and partly fault of hardware manufacturers.
Running powertop on a laptop is also very revealing. Typical desktop software on linux is not very friendly to power management. Rarely does the CPU enter the lowest power mode on linux (forget the designation).
So do a bit of research and you'll see that what I'm talking about is generally true. Thinks are improving dramatically, but there's a long, long ways to go. Until then, it's really hard to leave my 5 year old PowerBook with OS X.
Re:Battery life is a major downside (Score:5, Informative)
The real problem is Linux's lack of decent power management, as well as the hardware manufacturers' reluctance to support Linux in any way.
This may have been true in the past, but I'm telling you, I get 3.5h out of this shitty Toshiba U300, without wifi, 2.5h with. Powertop is a wonderful thing, but even without it, turning the screen down and making sure the CPU hits C3 leaves me with what I'd consider acceptable battery life. Windows doesn't far any better on this thing.
If it really was Linux at fault, wouldn't those people running XP on the eee get more battery life out of it?
Re:Battery life is a major downside (Score:5, Insightful)
On the other hand, how many people are buying this as a full time alternative to a full sized laptop?
I think we're still in the early adopter stage -- where most of the people who are buying it are just curious. Therefore it may be more important to meet certain psychological pricing benchmarks (e.g. it's closer to 300 Euros than 400) than it is to put a bigger battery in it. Then the people who find it seriously useful will buy a second battery, or a larger aftermarket battery.
Admit it; you've bought things on impulse for X dollars, then on impulse bought a Y dollar ugprade for those things, even though you probably wouldn't consider paying X + Y for the entire rig and it was just wishful thinking you didn't need the upgrade. That normal economic behavior for early adopters.
When the thing gets to the point where pragmatists are buying them, you can bet they'll sport much longer battery lives. Just the volumes they'll be buying parts in will bring the price down to stay "cheap".
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As an Eee 701 owner my advice is wait for the Atom version and the price drop when the competition hits the market. And hope they spend more than $0.12 on the keyboard next time (it's not the size, it's the quality). This market seems to be developing incredibly rapidly, even by computer hardware standards. Things will be different in two or three months time.
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If they wanted battery life they should have ditched the Intel Inside sticker and stuck an ARM in, even one fabbed by Intel. Escept for leaning really hard on Adobe to give them a Flash Player port everything else they shipped on the original eee
Asus Competitors Competitors (Score:4, Insightful)
They all seem to have pretty close pricing, for example the HP's 2133:
While it may not be the year of Linux on the desktop, it's certainly the year of Linux on the super freaking tiny notebook that is difficult to type on (yes, I know what a USB keyboard is).
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Like, huh? Seriously, huh?
(aside: The keyboard on the Eee I'm typing this on missed six keypresses during the typing of this post. Make that seven, no, nine.)
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It's only when I go to my Zaurus clamshell that my typing slows to the two-fingered kind. Getting used to typing on the Eee is like getting used to a neck on an unfamiliar guitar. For the first ten minutes the new geometry interferes with coordination. After that, the fingers adjust so that the difference
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Mr Burns? Is that you?
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The EeePC 900 seems like it may be the leader right now; I was intrigued by the original EeePC but having that tiny screen surrounded by a giant bezel smacked of wasted space. I don't mind using a 7 or 8" screen, but if I am, I want the whole device to be that size. If it's big enough for a 9" scre
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Swell... (Score:5, Funny)
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Phone/computer hybrid (Score:5, Interesting)
Toying with that formula is unwise. Instead, further pare down the bloated Xandros and XP installs so that people can use a 4-8 GB machine.
I thought they were going to install Intel's Atom in the next revision?
Regardless, the Eee is an important step for open source and Linux. See Asus Micro Laptop Brings Linux to the Desktop [chrisblanc.org].
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The Atom isn't out yet, it'll be used in the next revision of the Eee apparently, perhaps as soon as next month. Asus wanted to rush this model out to gouge the market for maximum profits as quickly as possible (and £110 more than the 4G for an extra 2" of screen and 16GB of flash is some serious gouging). Asus's CEO basically admits this in this very informative interview [laptopmag.com]. The quote I'm referring to is "I think this is the initial price. I believe in June the market will decide the price and it can
Who wrote this? (Score:5, Funny)
Thank you, Miss Teen South Carolina.
Why Linux isn't popular (Score:2, Funny)
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RS
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This reduces the likelihood that a careless reader will review his words and misunderstand his point to read:
"Yes the price is higher than the previous model, but the Eee PC 900 still represents staggeri
Evangelize (Score:5, Interesting)
Well you could've fooled me. They're doing a better job than those that are doing it deliberately. 20G vs 12G, sweet.
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Who'd have thought that one company actually *doing* something could evangelize linux better than a million geeks screaming at each other through the ether...
All it needs now is for *one* major game developer to port their games to linux and "Linux on the Desktop" might cease to be an oxymoron. (valve is the obvious one for me. They're obviously not going to port every game, but with steam you would get to see all they have at once.) Of course it would kill some people to use a closed source app on their s
They Didn't get the Weighting Right (Score:5, Interesting)
HPC Pro does the trick better. (Score:2, Interesting)
I picked up a couple of NEC MobilePro machines for $50 on eBay. Windows CE 3, with Pocket Office, Pocket Internet Explorer, etc. I also picked up a Cabletron Roamabout PCMCIA wireless card for $10 with free shipping.
I get:
- Touch-type-able keyboard same as Eee PC
- Less weight
- Less bulk
- Instant on, instant off
- MS Pocket Office and a
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Re:HPC Pro does the trick better. (Score:5, Insightful)
I know just how terribly unresponsively it performs.
I know how terribly limited the selection of available software is
I know how crippled all the "pocket" apps are.
I know just how completely lacking external hardware drivers (eg. printers) are.
If you need more than something that just barely lets you type basic documents and sync them with your desktop, WinCE is a lame duck.
The HPC form-factor is quite nice, but the realities of using one for any length of time is not so pleasant.
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The vast majority of mobile professionals outside of IT ONLY need to use Word and Excel. The Pocket Word and Pocket Excel apps work fine in most cases and for those that done, there a full versions of office apps available for $100 or less from several vendors.
I don't sync mine. It's got a 4GB CF card for data storage and a wireless card and am running Samba on my home PC. I just come home, open my shared folder over the wireless network, and copy documents back and forth.
I'm a wr
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First make a dockable bluetooth headset so that it will recharge and be available when I want it, not sitting on my desk where I forgot it.
Second, add a cell phone with a sim chip slot so I can transfer my cell service onto the laptop.
I think that this is where they are heading, especially seeing as the Intel atom cpu they are scheduled to switch to has cell network capability built in.
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I'm hoping that the next EeePC 9xx with Atom will have an ExpressCard/54 slot (even if it sticks out a bit when populated) for things like 3.5G modems and so on.
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Excerpt "Intel Centrino Atom processor technology also enables manufacturers to integrate a range of wireless connectivity options, including Wi-Fi, WiMAX and cellular data"
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because Asus has come up with a far better method. Instead of having to place your finger right at the edge of the touchpad to scroll, the Eee PC 900 will let you scroll from anywhere in the touchpad, as long as you use two fingers.
I am surprised that nobody else has thought of this feature:-P Great going Asus for being a real innovator.
Their choice of Linux (Score:5, Informative)
Initially, I balked at the idea of having Linux run on such a nice piece of hardware, thinking I would switch to Xp instantly. Nope, I will keep it, even after years of frustration trying to use Linux as a workstation before. I'm not running it out of Linux advocacy, I'm running it since it actually freakin' works this time. Actively using google's apps already(gmail, etc), it was a nice little touch to have them linked already on the little frontent.
Sure, I can't quite get gcc running yet to compile downloaded apps, but I'm doing just great everywhere else. Hooking it up to a keyboard, mouse & monitor makes it a nice little workstation.
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Hooking it up to a keyboard, mouse & monitor makes it a nice little workstation.
The monitor is the bit that really bugs me about this machine. It's 2008, and it comes with a VGA connector. Monitors without analogue inputs are becoming increasingly common, and even those that support them typically now are digital devices with an analogue to digital convertor for legacy support. Looking at the pictures, there's enough space on the case for a DVI port, so why isn't it there?
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Already, most of the bits are there, but need to be patched in to the kernel (e.g. ACPI, "eee.ko", ATL2 ethernet). There is no free wifi driver working yet, but it is actively being worked on as a part of ath5k.
The other main non-free part is the BIOS. Hopefully someday we'll be able to get coreboot running.
My notes, docs, code, etc:
http://www.blagblagblag.org/pub/BLAG/developers/jebba/eee/ [blagblagblag.org]
git repository of patched kernel:
git://blaggit.blagblagblag.org/linux-freeeee
-Jeff
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by boss got an EeePC to play with
instead i got in on the dell latitude clearence they did in Feb.. picked up a D420.. with media base.
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so yea if i need net access i just open the con manager on the phone and say wireless modem and i am online.. very damn useful.. while the built in one would be nice.. at the time of ordering it was an extra 300$ and service for it around here is 60$ a month.. so i figured sence i already had it with the phone for 40$ a month and i would have to keep that anywyas.. i
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Screen isn't too big of an issue either. For sitting in meetings and taking notes it wins hands down compared to other laptops. I wish I had this when I was taking college courses and lugging around that old Dell Inspiron 8000. This thing would have blown that out of the water back then.
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At 329 pounds, that's about $650.00 bucks. You can get a full-sized laptop with twice the ram, more than 10x the storage, a bigger screen, etc., for under $500.00
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After a certain point, small isn't better - it interferes with useability. Look at cell phone keypads - some of them are now too small for anyone with even average-sized hands.
I'd rather lug my 17" around, and have a full-sized keyboard, lots of screen real estate and all the other goodies, than something that is just too darned small to use properly.
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I dare say you have completely missed the point of this device. The whole point is that it's not "full-sized".
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Cheap laptops are nothing new, and anyone who bought an eeePC because it was cheap and not because it was small was probably unhappy with it, because even years ago you could get a full-size laptop for that price.
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My former laptop is an older IBM stinkpad - great machine, but the keyboard is too small. I prefer - no, make that I DEMAND a full-sized keyboard. Maybe the smaller keyboards are ok for people who do hunt-and-peck, but nothing can replace full-sized keyboard. That's why I opted for a 17" laptop when the time came.
I have a friend who is going through a bout of RSI which was probably caused by excess use of the smaller keyboard on his laptop. They're awkward as all hell, and not worth the pain (literally).
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And the point is that it is small but nippy. The SSD provides the latter. I could throw this into my bag and use it on the train without needing to carry a dedicated laptop case, and a massive overall weight and volume difference.
If you don't need a small system, then it isn't for you.
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My 17" laptop fits in my briefcase, along with loads of papers, etc. A "dedicated laptop case" justs screams "STEAL ME!".
Put the briefcase on my lap, closed, and the 17" on top, and I'm good to go, everything at the rig
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But for other uses, casual uses especially, a small, light, chuck-it-in-the-bag device is far more appealing. Oh, it's cheap as well, so it won't be too precious.
Different people have different needs. You clearly need that 17" laptop on the train (if you get a seat, or
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A quick search on Google will give you any details you need!
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That sounds like and good incentive to encourage people to try out linux, but does that truly reflect the cost of XP? Is XP even worth 8GB of solid state memory?
And wait until people figure out how easy it is in a Eee PC with Linux to NFS mount a drive to their older PCs running Linux with new 500GB drives.
mount 192.168.1.10:/home/movies /movies /home/movies/hackers.mp4 /movies
cp
And if the newer 32GB USB drives are not enough as an adjunct, Seagate has even bigger portable drives. These are like portab