New BigDog Robot Video 193
John860 writes "The US company Boston Dynamics has released an amazing new video of its quadruped robot BigDog. The highlight of the video (at 1:24) shows how the robot starts slipping on ice, almost falls several times, but finally regains its balance and continues walking. The video also shows the robot's ability to cope with different types of terrains, climb and descend steep slopes, and jump. Two years ago, the older version of BigDog was already able to climb slopes, keep its balance after a strong kick, and walk on rough terrain like stones, mud, and snow. The new version weighs 235 lbs and can carry a payload of up to 340 lbs, a factor of 4 better than its predecessor."
sorry (Score:5, Funny)
The walking motion is much like a goat. A goat, see?
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Goat.mechs?
Somewhere deep in the caves of Tora Bora (Score:5, Funny)
Yeah, but it was delivered by this weird mechanical goat thing that buzzed like a swarm of bees in a poppy field.
Hmm. I believe my RealGoat delivery has arrived! Allahu Ackbar!
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My favourite part was where some scientist enthused that "you can fi
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Re:Somewhere deep in the caves of Tora Bora (Score:4, Funny)
When it gets real they sent the the dogs out, but because the dogs was trained with russian equipment, they prefer to lay below the russian tanks and not the germans.
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In soviet Russia our dogs ...
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Kick (Score:2, Interesting)
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I don't think anyone was calling FAKE and claiming that it was CGI, so yes... it is real. More seriously though, I think they are saying dog just because of the conotations it brings, its movements don't seem very dog like to me, they match that of some other four-legged mammals more closely I think.
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If you took two dogs and strapped them together, facing each other, with their forelimbs in the air and only their rear limbs on the ground... and made them telepathic... they might move a bit like that!
I find the part where it slips on the ice particularly impressive - although BigDog seemed to come perilously close to a broken limb in the incident! I think most human
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if you took two dogs and strapped them together, facing each other, with their forelimbs in the air and only their rear limbs on the ground... and made them telepathic... they might move a bit like that!
The first time I saw this Boston Robotics thing (the earlier version), I had no context for the video clip, nothing to tell me it was a robot. So it reeaally creeped me out big time. And the loud engine actually made it even more scary. I thought maybe it was some sick, brutal, military experiment in commanding a real, but mutilated animal, a hybrid dog-machine, like those experiments being done with rats. Has anyone else here seen No Telling [imdb.com]? I suspect that if I hadn't seen that movie I might not have bee
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I kept thinking about those mutant Headcrab things from Half-Life
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As for the dog reference, it could be a play
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The civillian versions will be all plush and lovable (though huge) until some glitch reenables the combat subroutine. Lone cop and beautiful female computer scientist will then need to fight their way to the Mans' Best Friend central computer to press the reset button. One of the dogs will stay loyal and help them, the rest (with glowing red eyes, to tell the slower audience members that they are Evil) will terrorise the population.
Joe Dante will direct "Mans' Best Friend" (working title "Pastiche 3") of course, from a novel by Steven King. The cast will all be scientologists and there will be a few references to engrams and so on in the script, or maybe just adlibbed in. The movie will start with Eisenhower's speech about the Military Industrial complex and then cut to something ironic, like a weapons factory stripping the weapons off a giant robot dog endoskeleton, wrapping it in plush fur and loading it into a box labelled "Mans' Best Friend".
Creepy (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Creepy (Score:5, Interesting)
They may have to think about toning this aspect down for war time scenarios - I can well imagine soldiers going to 'old yella's' assistance when he comes under fire!
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I agree. I kind of got worked up when the guy kicked it.
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OTOH I actually thought it took too much time. It's a robot and shouldn't be so worried about turning an ankle... just climb the damn hill already.
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Re:Creepy (Score:5, Informative)
Yes, it's called the "Uncanny Valley [wikipedia.org]".
Uncanny Valley... (Score:3, Interesting)
Let's just hope they don't mount Kismet's head on this thing.
Simply Amazing. (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Simply Amazing. (Score:4, Insightful)
Add a turret, a video camera, and a remote control -- presto, a soldier that can march 24/7 across the desert, across the ice, through tear gas clouds, through radioactive fallout, and arrive somewhere all fresh and ready to shoot people, or drop bombs.
They're not going to "make toy versions", at least not any time soon. Why try to make a $100-1000 toy, and compete on the free market, when you can keep everything secret and sell them to the military for orders of magnitude more?
I'm an American, and these things scare me. Robert E. Lee once said "It is well that war is so terrible, or we should get too fond of it". Our government is making it significantly less terrible (for its own soldiers) all the time, and they also seem to be growing rather fond of it. When you can run a robotic war (in the air and on the ground) by remote control, what's to stop you from attacking everybody you don't like?
I predict we'll have robot infantry on the ground inside of 5 years, and within 2 years of that, they'll be back here patrolling American soil. And no, it's not a partisan issue, either: even Obama, the democratic frontrunner, wants to *increase* military spending, even though America's military budget is already larger than the military budgets of every other country in the world, combined.
Re:Simply Amazing. (Score:4, Insightful)
And this could be likely achieved with other conventional robotic conveyance mechanisms. If you just need to deliver a mobile land-mine, adaptation of simple RC cars could probably serve. As for dropping bombs and shooting people - there are plenty of airborne weapons that would be difficult to surpass in terms of "efficiency". Cheaper and simpler will win.
About the only military use I can see for this might be urban alley crawls, where terrain could be difficult, cramped, and dangerous, and possibly IED detection/detonation. I agree with parent about this being mostly a pack mule.
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Imagine how awesome this would be with the legs of big dog on it... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QMaS4pB9rw [youtube.com]
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Re:Simply Amazing. (Score:5, Insightful)
If a robot is cheaper than a dead/wounded soldier the robot might be a better option.
Also consider that robots need no training and (almost?) no supplies when they are in storage.
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Re:Simply Amazing. (Score:5, Funny)
Sounds like maybe we should call PETA on you, since it sounds like you know exactly how an animal reacts when it gets violently kicked
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Other than an autonomic anti-tank cannon or 100KG of explosives?
No tactical need for anti-tank or self-detonating (Score:3, Insightful)
* Best Dubya line ever. http://www.snopes.com/rumors/bush.asp [snopes.com]
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Say, the enemy has tunnels a'la Vietcong, or underground bunkers or such. You need to send a scout. Who will it be?
And it wouldn't be good if the robot gets captured, so a good self-destruction mechanism is in order.
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I frankly don't see the actual use in war, besides transporting things,
Um, that "besides" you're brushing off so easily is a pretty big one. Today, a common load carried by (US) infantry soldiers weighs around 45 kg. That's a LOT to be lugging around, and it's increasing due to new equipment being added (plus its batteries) and more stringent requirements on e.g. body armor.
If you can offload half that onto a mechanical dog, the effectiveness of your unit would increase dramatically.
War is mostly a logistical operation with some fighting going on at the fringes. Anything that
Disaster Assistance (Score:2)
I can also imagine them carrying cell phone capability besides food and medical. Let alone the fact that once if finds someone you know where they are too. Throw some thermal sensors in there and it might be able to scout the interior of partially collapsed structures to identify where peo
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"Things" including, but not limited to, guns, bombs, dying soldiers, mounted remote-targetable weaponry, decoys, etc.....
But I imagine the idea is simply to have a machine that can carry 300+ lbs. of payload uphill in adverse conditions instead of forcing soldiers to do it, freeing them to be ready to duck and shoot back at any surprise threat instead. I haven't yet seen a video of this thing climbing a sand dune, but I'm certain that's
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And that's not enough for you? Logistics is a MAJOR part of war. Freighters aren't good for much else in war besides transporting things. Neither are flatbed trucks. Or cargo planes. Seriously, the military spends a lot more time hauling stuff around than shooting at people. You don't have to put a gun on something to make it militarily useful.
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1) The robot can run ammo and other equipment back and forth to entrentched or pinned down soldiers. It's (mostly) bullet proof, unlike a person.
2) It can be armed and equipped as an anti-personell walking mine, one that can climb stairs, jump a fence, navigate complex terrian, and more. Give it a coordinate, a proposed route, and a detonator and let it go.
3) It's a MULE. Why have soldiers be burdened by several hundred pounds of gear t
One small step for a dog (Score:5, Funny)
True Test (Score:3, Interesting)
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Heh, I give the developers 10 years.
I'm being wildly conservative.This is bigger than you think (Score:4, Interesting)
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Either way Robot butlers are a total waste of time and effort. It costs about $150 dollars to buy a person through human trafficking. Go get a real butler for a fraction of the cost. Granted you might have to train them but when they realized they are going to making your ass mint juleps instead of being raped for 10 years on the streets of Paris they might e
Cool, yes. Useful? (Score:4, Interesting)
Since it needs to be able to exert pretty big forces very quickly, I doubt they're going to lower the power requirements, so I highly doubt they're going to be able to use a quieter power source like batteries or fuel cells. Nothing beats the power-to-weight ratio of internal combusion.
Me, I'd go with a real live mule instead for all applications you'd use this in. Same payload capacity, not much bigger, totally silent, self-refuelling, costs $hundreds rather than $hojillions.
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Yeah, because I left my IR goggles on my bunk.
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>>be able to hear it, but you won't see it until
>>it's in a line of sight.
>Yeah, because I left my IR goggles on my bunk.
Wow, your IR goggles let you see through trees!
You sure those aren't xray specs?
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And to add to your idea: don't use thousands of robots; just use thousands of tape recorders. Seriously: if those things can't be made stealthy, just hide the noise of the real one
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I guess you've never heard of mules being stubborn...
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Me, I'd go with a real live mule instead for all applications you'd use this in. Same payload capacity, not much bigger, totally silent, self-refuelling, costs $hundreds rather than $hojillions.
Self-refueling? That rather depends on the terrain you're on. Totally silent? Until it brays (or whatever mules do) at exactly the wrong moment and ruins your ambush.
Livestock needs to be taken care of every day, is much more maintenance-intensive than anything mechanical. It also can't be stowed in a container for easy long-range transport.
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On the other hand, a mule can't be steered by remote control (well, not humanely) or be programmed to reach a pre-designated GPS coordinate and return after a certain time.
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The noise can be taken care of with a nice advanced battery... the same ones being worked on for vehicles would work here as well.
Now that they have the mechanics worked out they should really fork the dev effort and put a nice veneer on that thing and get it a battery supply.. then it will truly be creepy... nearly silent, all black and shiny (I think it needs a black/blue/purple/green iridescent carapac
Baby Steps (Score:2)
A decade or two from now with improvements in batteries allowing for stronger and faster motors along with an increased number of quicker processors and you'll have something that will truly resemble natural animal movement. It wasn't that long ago that the pinnacle of robotic movement was stiff and insect like.
More like "Big Fly" (Score:2)
Creepy. But obviously highly sophisticated (or they found a simple rule and implemented it well).
Those newfangled measure units ... (Score:2)
The jump... (Score:2, Interesting)
Career regrets (Score:3, Insightful)
Calf (Score:2)
Creepy. Very very creepy (Score:2)
Freaky! (Score:2)
I hope they fix the annoying whine it makes though.
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Strong kick to the robot dog? (Score:2)
Send this Kid to Camp (Score:2)
Really.
If the developers can get a high enough reliability, this gizmo has wheels beat all hollow!
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Mars? (Score:2)
Fahrenheit 451 (Score:2)
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Couple that thing with the weapons technology I have seen on other defense contractor "robotic soldiers" that can detect and kill from over a mile away.
But is it fluent in Baachi?
How it works - some technical details (Score:5, Informative)
This is very nice work. It's good to see Raibert doing robotic locomotion again, and finally, with a big enough budget.
Back in the 1980s and early 1990s, Raibert headed the MIT Leg Lab, which produced the first legged robots with real balance control. Raibert started with one-legged hopping machines, to force the balance issue. His big insight was that balance is more important than gait. In 1992, he left MIT and did a startup, Boston Dynamics, and went off into simulation. Most of the simulations weren't dynamic, just kinematic. Now he's back to robotics, and dynamics, again.
I've worked on control of robot running on rough terrain [youtube.com]. So I understand the problems. Watching the Big Dog video, I have a reasonably good idea of how it works. This is quite impressive. DARPA got its $40 million worth.
First, it has slip control, like automotive ABS, for its feet. The first insight on the hard cases for locomotion is that balance is more important than gait. The second is that slip control is more important than balance. The key to slip control is keeping the transverse forces at foot-ground contact below the point where the feet break loose. ("Inside the static friction cone", for those familiar with the terminology.) Watch it move on ice. The feet do not slip at all unless there's real trouble, as when someone kicks the thing. The transverse forces are being held below the break-loose point. Given the load on the foot, the actuator forces (hydraulic cylinders on Big Dog) must be coordinated to keep the transverse force below the ground coefficient of friction times the longitudinal load. Finding the ground coefficient of friction can be either trial and error (if it slips, reduce the value) or they may have actual slip sensing in the foot, like humans and animals. Humans, incidentally, tend to maintain a contact force about 20% above the break-loose point, as a safety margin.
Big Dog's reaction to a slip is to immediately raise the foot and go for a new foot placement. That's an emergency behavior, though; it's the prevention of slip that makes it work. Watch the robot's reaction when it slips on ice, and, once you know what to look for, you'll see how it does it. The first priority is to recover traction. As soon as a foot slips, it's lifted and placed in a new position. The second priority is to recover balance. As the robot starts to roll to the right, it executes a violent twist to the right and throws out the right front foot. It needs a foot position within the traction limits to provide the roll moment needed to recover balance, and it has a good enough planner to find one. Look at that sequence and ask yourself first "where does the foot need to be to get traction", then "where does the foot need to be to recover balance". Then you'll understand how it works.
Big Dog has, finally, true gaitless locomotion. Decades of locomotion research have focused on gait, foot sequence, "central patten generators", and similar mechanisms that deal with the easy cases. Wrong answer. The right answer is to think of legs as assets that can be deployed to maintain slip and stability criteria. It's very clear that Big Dog does this; it can use its feet (and knees!) as necessary. It's not constrained to a gait pattern at all.
There's a true dynamics predictor and planner in there. This is not just a reactive robot, like Brooks' little machines. Nor is it a straightforward ZMP ("zero moment point" [wikipedia.org]) stabilization system, like Asimo. (Think of ZMP as a generalization of center of gravity to include momentum.) There's a planner with a horizon of (I think) about two foot placements ahead, and it has "what if" internal simulation capability. That's why this robot moves so well. It can predict, at least approximately, what's going to happen for its next move, and plans on that basis. That's why its movement are so smooth. Without that, you'
Reaction time (Score:3, Insightful)
I wonder why the reaction time is about the same. Does the dynamics planner take that long to figure out what to do? Are the actuators slow enough so that it can't recover in a blur of leg motion? Or is that just the minimum amount of time stabilization can physically take?
Would be better with only knees (Score:2)
Nah.openoffice (Score:2, Funny)
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Roger roger!
- Jesper
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No, everyone knows that they drop little batteries on the floor. If you don't believe me, see Woody Allen's "Sleeper".
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