Stories
Slash Boxes
Comments

News for nerds, stuff that matters

Retailers Leak New TiVo HD Specs and Price

Posted by ScuttleMonkey on Wed Jul 18, 2007 04:06 PM
from the tastes-great-less-filling dept.
Brent writes "Retailers goofed and posted most of the specs of the forthcoming TiVo Series 3 Lite, which Ars says may be called 'TiVo HD' at launch. A comparison with the standard Series 3 shows that for a savings of $300, you only lose the OLED screen (do you need a screen on your TiVo?), the glowing remote (which you can pickup for $50 anyway), THX certification (worthless) and 90GB of storage. Looks like it may be a TiVo hacker's dream."

Related Stories

[+] Your Rights Online: TiVo Awarded Patent For Password You Can't Hack 291 comments
Davis Freeberg writes "TiVo has always been known for thinking outside of the box, but this week they were awarded an unusual patent related to locking down content on their hard drives. According to the patent, they've invented a way to create password security that is so tough, it would take you longer than the life of a hard drive in order to figure it out. They could be using this technology to prevent the sharing of content or it could be related to their advertising or guide data, but if their encryption technology is really that good, it's an interesting solution for solving the problem of securing networks."
[+] Linux: TiVo Says It Could Suffer Under GPLv3 710 comments
Preedit writes to tell us that those busy folks over at InformationWeek have been scrutinizing yet more SEC filings, and Novell and Microsoft aren't the only ones concerned about certain provisions in the final draft of GPLv3. TiVo worries too. The problem is that TiVo boxes are Linux-based. They're also designed to shut down if the software is hacked by users trying to circumvent DRM features. But GPLv3 would prohibit TiVo's no-tamper setup. "If the currently proposed version of GPLv3 is widely adopted, we may be unable to incorporate future enhancements to the GNU/Linux operating system into our software, which could adversely affect our business," TiVo warns in a regulatory filing cited by InformationWeek."
[+] Tivo HD Released Into the Wild 228 comments
B.Gud writes "Tivo has launched the new 'Tivo HD' DVR, validating what was learned from retailer leaks last week. The new unit is available for orders and will ship in early August, but the good news is that Tivo is going to activate serial ATA later this year, and that TivoToGo support is coming as well. From the article: 'Suffice it to say that it's the machine we thought it was, loaded with dual tuners, support for two CableCARDs (or one MCard!), a 160GB drive (180 hours recording SD, 20 hours HD), and HDMI. It really makes the Series 3 look weak. Or put another way, it makes the Series 3 into the boutique device it really is.'"
This discussion has been archived. No new comments can be posted.
The Fine Print: The following comments are owned by whoever posted them. We are not responsible for them in any way.

Retailers Leak New TiVo HD Specs and Price 25 Comments More | Login /

 Full
 Abbreviated
 Hidden
More | Login
Keybindings Beta
Q W E
A S D
Loading ... Please wait.
  • Hackers dream? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by pegr (46683) on Wednesday July 18 2007, @04:09PM (#19906039) Homepage Journal
    Why, did they unTivoize the GPLed software?
        • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

          I'd never buy another Tivo....they don't offer the lifetime 'service' any longer.

          I'm not gonna buy a unit...and then have to pay a monthly 'fee' to use it for the rest of its useful life.

            • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

              Yes, and you could pay a wad of cash upfront and get lifetime service. I know, I have 2 tivos with lifetime. I don't pay anything monthly on them. But they stopped selling that 2-3 years ago.
              • Re:Hackers dream? (Score:5, Informative)

                by HTH NE1 (675604) on Wednesday July 18 2007, @06:57PM (#19908053)
                But having units with Lifetime Service still qualifies you for discounted monthly service at $6.95 a month for additional TiVos on the same account.
                [ Parent ]
  • What? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Constantine XVI (880691) <trash.eighty+slashdotNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Wednesday July 18 2007, @04:12PM (#19906075)
    What exactly makes it a "hacker's dream"?
    • Re:What? (Score:5, Funny)

      by wawannem (591061) on Wednesday July 18 2007, @04:14PM (#19906103) Homepage
      well, the summary didn't mention the poster of Natalie Portman that comes with it.
      [ Parent ]
    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      What exactly makes it a "hacker's dream"?

      Well, hackers are poor and... well... That's Slashdot, you and your reasoning.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      What makes this so great and a hacker's dream is because the features it loses that cannot be purchased were worthless. The main reason for the Tivo HD is strictly to be able to record at that quality level. A normal tivo cannot do that.

      So what you lose he
      • Re:What? (Score:4, Informative)

        by HTH NE1 (675604) on Wednesday July 18 2007, @05:19PM (#19906949)

        the 30 and 21 hours of HD quality recording really is a setback, but fortunately you can record programs at lower quality on the HD Tivo's.
        Only as long as you have the alternative to record HD programs in SD quality on an alternate SD channel carrying the same content. HD can only be recorded in HD. Last I checked, HDNET had no SD alternative. Also, the PBS stations in my area have different programming on the HD and SD channels (e.g. Doctor Who is only on the SD channel).

        There's also no IR or serial control by which to use a down-converting cable box on the Series3 platform. For cable programming, you either can record analog and unencrypted digital channels, or you use CableCards.
        [ Parent ]
  • *sigh* no satillite connectivity... (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Itninja (937614) on Wednesday July 18 2007, @04:13PM (#19906085) Homepage
    I would we willing to pay an extra $300 for a Series 3 that could record HD from my satellite service (Dish Network). Having been a Tivo user for nearly 10 years, I finally had to dump my Tivo and start using the Dish Network ViP622 HD-DVR. It's not bad, but the user interface is no where near as tight as a Tivo. maybe someday Comcast will grace me with cable in my area...
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      What exactly prevents it from recording HD?
      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        Satellite TV boxes put out analog (component) and/or digital (DVI/HDMI) uncompressed hi-def video. To record that, you need A. a component capture device (relatively cheap/easy) or DVI/HDMI input hardware (also relatively cheap/easy), and B. real-time hi-

  • Finally! (Score:3, Interesting)

    by mjpaci (33725) on Wednesday July 18 2007, @04:16PM (#19906129) Homepage Journal
    I've been waiting for the T3 to drop in price to something my better half won't cringe at. That $700 price point was murder. Also, I am so freakin sick of the cruddy Motorola DVR that Verizon rents me that I am just peeing my pants with this pseudo press release. It will actually cost less for me to have a Tivo than that crappy DVR. (not factoring in purchase price, of course, so it will cost more, i just won't let myself believe it)

    --mike
  • by rsborg (111459) on Wednesday July 18 2007, @04:27PM (#19906307) Homepage
    Disclaimer: I'm currently owner of a Tivo Series2, unhacked, unmodified, connected to a SDTV, 5.1 receiver, and receiving analog cable (so I don't have to futz around with the channel blaster or deal with a cable box). I pay approx. $55/mo for this.

    That said, if I'm going to get a new Tivo, I have to deal with a lot of new issues:

    1. $$$: A new HDTV-compatible receiver and display
    2. $$: Cost of upgraded Cable services
    3. $: Cost of cable-card rental fee (x2 if I want to record 2 channels at a time)-or- dealing with the channel blaster again (yukk!)

    So in addition to the upgrade to HDTV, I will have to shell out probably another $30-$50 a month, which I really don't see as being necessary, and for what? HDTV? Forget it.

    On the other hand, this news [arstechnica.com]seems promising, if Comcast doesn't f$ck it all to hell.

  • OT Recommendations (Score:3, Informative)

    by asphaltjesus (978804) on Wednesday July 18 2007, @04:36PM (#19906449)
    I've configured both knoppmyth http://www.mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html [mysettopbox.tv] and mediaportal for win32 http://www.team-mediaportal.com/ [team-mediaportal.com].

    Each has their caveats. Knoppmyth works better once you get it rolling, but there's lots of fiddly work to get it going. Lots of fiddly work. Once it's up its rock steady. It manages powering down/sleeping between scheduled shows much better than win32.

    MediaPortal is easier to set up. Buggy interface though. Not show-stoppers but whacky things that make it hard to use. For reasons I haven't investigated it uses some kind of proprietary file type to store the shows. If someone knows how to set it up to make an mpeg that would be great. http://www.team-mediaportal.com/ [team-mediaportal.com]
  • My Tivo Series 3 Perspective (Score:5, Informative)

    by Hangtime (19526) on Wednesday July 18 2007, @04:50PM (#19906619) Homepage
    I just purchased my Tivo Series 3 (the wife and I are Tivo nuts and we just bought an HDTV so it was required) and here's my notes so far.

    1. Cablecard installation sucks. Make sure when you talk to the provider that they ALWAYS bring 2 Cablecards. It just took for times for TimeWarner to actually get cable going. None of this is Tivo's fault as much as its lack of understanding on the cable company side. The problems are in two places: one - firmware upgrades can take FOREVER, it literally took my 3 days to update the Cablecards, two: provisioning the TWC head-end folks have not quited figured this out yet and it took the guy talking to a friend to get the cards provisioned correctly. So when they come out make sure they try to flash the cards before they leave HQ and know someone on the other side that knows how to provision.

    2. The lost 90 GB is not much of a problem. Tivo Series 3 have an eSATA connection that can be enabled through a backdoor code (see http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.ph p?t=350510 [tivocommunity.com] on how to do so). Then you get yourself a $50 enclosure and $300 1 TB drive and your rocking for approximately the same price.

    3. I wish the OLED wasn't even there and I had $50 back. You can't see it half the time and its so small its tough to read from across the room.

    4. THX: I don't have a home theater (working on that but gotta be a little more frugal now) so I wouldn't worry about it.

    The $300 price point is the magic number and when it comes in watch out because these will start flying on the shelves.
    • Re:My Tivo Series 3 Perspective (Score:4, Interesting)

      by HTH NE1 (675604) on Wednesday July 18 2007, @06:37PM (#19907797)
      1. Also, CableCards seem to be really picky about how many splitters there are in the cable. My TWC really wanted the TiVo to be the only thing connected to the wall, but could tell from my setup that that simply was not feasible. I did determine that one splitter was blocking some frequencies and had to ditch it.

      2. eSATA port is unconfirmed. (BTW, I hate that people selling cables try to sell "internal eSATA cables". I almost bought the wrong kind because they haven't learned that the "e" stands for "external".)

      3. Even if you can't read the OLED display from across the room, you can still tell from a glance (on a unit not in Standby mode) whether what's recording on a tuner is a scheduled recording of yours or not (Suggestions are not named on the OLED; scheduled recordings are).

      4. I wish earlier models included an Emmy symbol the year TiVo was awarded one.

      I'm waiting for my $300 rebate, but I won't use it to buy another one. Eight TiVos are enough for me right now. (Heh, my first two 14hr Series1 TiVos also had $300 in rebates, making them cost -$0.01 after rebate, not considering taxes on pre-rebate price.)
      [ Parent ]
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      From TFA, about 11 hours. The "Tivo Lite" will have a 160GB (holds about 20 hours) disk rather than the 250GB (which holds up to 31 hours) disk on the existing Series 3.
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      It doesn't have 90 GB of storage.

      It loses 90 GB of storage.

      As to how much HD content it can store, RTFA. (31 hrs for the expensive one, 20 hrs for the new one)
        • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

          90GB is the difference in disk capacities between the current Series 3 and this new unit. The capacity stated in TFA is 20 hours HD.

          And TiVo "jumped on the HD bandwagon" several months ago, when the Series 3 first came out.
    • Re:Losers! (Score:5, Insightful)

      by ArsonSmith (13997) on Wednesday July 18 2007, @04:36PM (#19906441) Journal
      Let me help you out and parse it with bullet points: ... you only lose:
      *the OLED screen (do you need a screen on your TiVo?)
      *the glowing remote (which you can pick up for $50 anyway)
      *THX certification (worthless)
      *90GB of storage

      Now, why didn't 'you' parse the submission right?
      [ Parent ]
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      First off, popup ads were never implemented. TiVo tested them on a few people, found they didn't work well and scrapped them. I don't know why people always bring this up since there hasn't been a popup ad on a TiVo in over 2 years. There's far more ads