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Holographic Storage Slated to Hit Market This Fall

Posted by CowboyNeal on Fri May 18, 2007 07:34 AM
from the just-in-time-for-christmas dept.
prostoalex writes "The Guardian takes a look at the current developments in the world of holographic storage. Despite being available in research for over 40 years, the technology is getting commercialized only now, with InPhase Technologies launching its 600 GB write-once disk and a drive this fall. What avout the price? "The first holographic products are certainly not mass-market — a 600GB disc will cost around $180 (£90), and the drive costs about $18,000. Potential users include banks, libraries, government agencies and corporations.""

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  • Good thinking (Score:5, Funny)

    by niceone (992278) * on Friday May 18 2007, @07:38AM (#19176827) Journal

    InPhase Technologies launching its 600 GB write-once disk and a drive this fall

    Good thinking. I mean, if they were launching the disk without the drive (or even the other way round) it would be a lot less likely to succeed.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      With 1TB hard drives hitting the market, is it really worth spending $180 for 1 (!) optical disk and a $18k for the drive? For that money one can buy a lot of 1TB hard drives and build a RAID 0/1/5... array and have more capacity and reliability. Besides,
      • Re:Good thinking (Score:5, Interesting)

        by dosquatch (924618) on Friday May 18 2007, @08:29AM (#19177205) Journal

        So says you.

        Bleeding edge is always a ridiculous expense. The people who are willing to be there already know who they are. That you even raise this question means that you are not.

        OTOH, neither am I, but that's not the point. The point is, this is the first commercial volley of a new technology, which means that a few years hence it will be cheaper with even higher data densities.

        Meaning, potentially, something like the entire run of every season of every Star Trek series ever... on one disc.

        [ Parent ]
    • Re:Good thinking (Score:5, Funny)

      by Mr. Underbridge (666784) on Friday May 18 2007, @08:38AM (#19177271)

      Good thinking. I mean, if they were launching the disk without the drive (or even the other way round) it would be a lot less likely to succeed.

      Yeah, that would be like a game company shipping a console before any games are available for it. Err...wait...

      [ Parent ]
      • Re:Good thinking (Score:5, Informative)

        by dkf (304284) <donal.k.fellows@man.ac.uk> on Friday May 18 2007, @07:50AM (#19176909) Homepage
        The benefits for write-once media are actually pretty clear. Suppose you've got to keep audit trails for a database containing financial data; writing it to write-once media is a pretty good way of doing it, since it's then easy to show that it wasn't tampered with. Rewritable media is useful for other things (e.g. live data).
        [ Parent ]
          • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

            Put an ad in the NY-time with the SHA-sum of your hard-disc, and you've got pretty good proof 5 years from now that it's been unchanged ever since.

            I don't know about that... Five years is a long time to find a hash collision. So what happens to
              • Re:Good thinking (Score:4, Funny)

                by rbanffy (584143) on Friday May 18 2007, @09:34AM (#19177811) Homepage
                Make that 20 years and your chances of reading a valid Excel 2007 file in Excel 2027 are every bit as small as a hash collision.

                "What is a 'file', granpa?"
                [ Parent ]
  • libraries? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Cowpat (788193) on Friday May 18 2007, @07:39AM (#19176831) Journal
    What kind of library has £9000 to spend on a single piece of computer hardware? It'd be substantially cheaper to buy a computer and four of those 1 TB hardisks that were mentioned yesterday, and they'd be rewritable!
    Or they could spent the £9000 on, y'know, say... books.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      A library isn't always a public lending library. Another type of libarary that could actually might have use for this type of storage solutions (not necessarily exactly this one) is what I would call historical research libraries. Their function is to prot
  • I'll pass (Score:5, Funny)

    by cowscows (103644) on Friday May 18 2007, @07:42AM (#19176853) Homepage Journal
    If the storage medium is anything other than a small, transparent, and slightly iridescent cube; then I'm not interested. Discs are so 90's.
  • by ZombieEngineer (738752) on Friday May 18 2007, @07:48AM (#19176891)
    From the article: Holographic storage offers extremely fast data transfer rates - currently up to 160Mbit/sec, though there are plans to increase this. When you have a multi-Terabyte system to backup AND verify within a short window (say 4 hours), speed trumps price just about every time. What is the cost of NOT having a backup? ZombieEngineer
    • Holographic storage offers extremely fast data transfer rates - currently up to 160Mbit/sec, though there are plans to increase this...speed trumps price just about every time.

      I could be wrong, but are you implying that people will use this because it's got 160Mbit/sec write time? Keep in mind that this is 20MB/sec. That's a little low for the standard harddrive, and you can increase it by adding more drives in a sequential raid.
      If that's the speed, then it absolutely isn't a good reason to use this.

      The only advantage this actually has is information density. One 600GB disc is going to be pretty tiny compared to an array of harddrives designed to get the speed up.

      Is that worth it for a library or bank? My inclination would be no. A couple hundred harddrives in a SAN is probably a better idea.

      The market will be those individuals that absolutely, positively need the discs to be tiny, and nothing else matters. Because this tech isn't going to do anything else better than what we've already got.
      [ Parent ]
      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        "speed trumps price just about every time."

        Of course, you can build a multiterabyte disk-to-disk backup system with gigabit transferrates out of common of the shelf hardware for less than $1000.

        The cost of having backups can certainly be made a lot less th
  • There is a need... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by msauve (701917) on Friday May 18 2007, @07:56AM (#19176939)
    for a high density archival format, but I can't see where this even comes close.

    The manufacturer rates it at 50 year archival life, with no specifics about how that number was derived (is that an average? guaranteed for every piece of media? until an error rate of "x" is encountered? under what storage conditions?).

    It's a proprietary solution, from a single startup company - what are the odds that a reader is going to exist in 50 years? Note that the manufacturer specifically warns of a lack of backward compatibility when they state "Drive is backward read compatible for three generations; 18-24 months between generations." Having an archive of data which is inaccessible doesn't get you much.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      Thanks for finding the information I was just going to lookup on their website. 50 years may not be optimal, but it's a lot better then the only competitors, hard drives or burned DVDs, which usually fail under 10 years. The fact that it's write-once is
  • A real product? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Random BedHead Ed (602081) on Friday May 18 2007, @08:03AM (#19176995) Homepage Journal
    Wow, a real product. Every time I read about holographic storage, particularly on Slashdot, it's in the same sort of context in which you'd read about quantum computing or Star Trek-style teleportation. Like this: "Scientists at (fill in name of university) have managed to get (name of particle) to (some verb), a first step toward what could one day be practical (quantum computing, space elevators, carbon nanotube frisbees, or whatever). They used a (system you'd never be able to afford) to (do something even your grandkids won't be able to do), and predict that the process will be commercially viable in (about the same amount of time it will take us all to get cold fusion reactors installed in our cars)." Nice to see something like this actually come to market!
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      I agree with the parent on this. At least it's not vapourware.

      Always the same debate with new technologies, especially storage - too expensive, something else is better etc. etc. Goes all the way back to floppy disks vs. ethernet. The first hard drives
  • Help me... (Score:5, Funny)

    by Yonder Way (603108) on Friday May 18 2007, @08:07AM (#19177023) Homepage
    ...Obi-Wan Kenobi; you're my only hope!
  • Ultra high definition media (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Koookiemonster (1099467) on Friday May 18 2007, @08:39AM (#19177285)
    One potential use I can think of is selling/renting really high definition movies, TV series or collections of movies. For example, 10 seasons of "Friends" in ultra high definition would surely take up a lot of space. For that use a single disc with a huge capacity is perfect.

    The disc in question is much more elegant and cool than a stack of bulky, noisy hard disks. Elegant and cool may sound petty, but they sell for certain kinds of people with too much money. They even sell RCA cables for more than $18,000.
  • Forget the capacity... (Score:3, Funny)

    by macraig (621737) on Friday May 18 2007, @08:49AM (#19177365) Homepage
    ... holographic storage will be soooo much better for saving pr0n.
  • by sirwired (27582) on Friday May 18 2007, @09:53AM (#19178057)
    This product has been "Coming Soon" for a couple of years now. I think this is the third or fourth time this no-product startup has gotten an article posted on Slashdot. It is slow (180Mb/s is in no way "fast), under-capacity (600GB is a waste of time), overpriced, and unproven. If you want near-line storage, use SATA, if you want archival, use tape. I don't see much of a market for this thing.

    SirWired