Core 2 Duo Notebooks Reviewed

An anonymous reader writes "With the launch of Intel's Core 2 Duo chip today, I found this article that not only covers the new chip itself, but also reviews and benchmarks two retail notebooks. It's interesting since one machine has the entry level 1.66GHz CPU while the other has the top end 2.33GHz chip."

Bottom line?

So it's a glorified gamer machine? How fast can it start and run Lotus Notes or Thunderbird? How fast can it run a complete AV scan? How well and how fast does it run end to end, real world applications and not just RAM resident games? These benchmarks suck and pretty much ignore the fact that it's a notebook machine at all. And battery life appears to suck hard.

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My view is very limited (I work in the game industry), but do people really buy the latest and greatest hardware just so they can run Thunderbird faster?

I know there are plenty of non-game apps out there that require some serious CPU clocks, but if you ne

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Well CAD users and yes a lot of people use CAD on notebooks.
Photoshop users need a lot of CPU power as well.
I for the life of me don't know why people pay two grand to play a $60 game.

The Bottom of the Barrel (Executive Summary)

This article tells absolutely nothing useful about the Core 2 platform, but it may have useful bits in it for those who are buzzword hungry. As our sister site reports, the first chip is better than the other chip. Let's have a look at a list comparing features of Chip A and Chip 2.

• first chip - better than some other chips, unless you wait until spring
• chip II - chip C is better than this in all respects, except that a certain chip which may or may not be the second chip or chip 3 is more modern and consumes less heat and is faster
• third chip - designed in a foreign country and better than chip 2 but slower than the second chip
• another chip - better than a chip which is to say not really better, but overwhelmingly not quite as power hungry as chip 1
• a different chip - this is the be-all and end-all of chips off the ol' block, the mother load of chipdom, but not very impressive otherwise as that other chip

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Doesn't anybody *screen* these submissions?

Re:The Bottom of the Barrel (Executive Summary)

That guy ignore! Real review of article here is:

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There's actually a much better review at Hot Hardware:

http://www.hothardware.com/viewarticle.aspx?articl eid=864&cid=10 [hothardware.com]

According to them, there's rough parity on battery usage (within 10% by clock) yet the chip is anywhere from 15-50% faster than the C

Only "Merom" today ....

We've had a Core 2 Duo ("Conroe") workstation here for a couple weeks now.

Only the Core 2 Duo "Merom," [google.com] for notebooks, was released today.

The Verdict

Instead of reading the entire article, here's the summary ...

Verdict

Both of these are impressive machines for anyone who wants to get hold of the power of Merom straight away. The lower clocked AJP does seem slightly lack-lustre compared to the top end Rock, especially as the 1,920 x 1,200 screen wasn't the best we've seen. If battery life is the primary concern you might do better with a Core Duo, due to its lower TDP, unless you can wait for ultra-low voltage Core 2 Duo laptops to appear.

If you can spend the money the T7600 based Rock is outrageously fast for a notebook and it's well specced too. However, we think the mid-rage 2GHz, T7200 will end up being the Merom CPU of choice.

battery life

How does the battery life compare to the 'single core' Pentium M?
Does battery life not matter in laptop reviews anymore?

How is the lap heat, is it twice as hot? My current laptop gets limited lap time because of the heat.

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It's on the last page [trustedreviews.com] of the review. And it's very bad (a laptop that can't even run 2 hours on a battery charge?)

Re:battery life

It also says "Times in seconds (lower is better)"

Re:battery life

Tests I have seen show Core 2 laptops having about a 7% longer battery life than their Core 1 counterparts. Part of this is due to the fact that they run faster, and so they spend less time in high-drain mode and more time in power-saving mode.

I know a couple of people with Core 1 MacBook Pros, and they seem to get slightly better battery life than I do with a G4 PowerBook, so I think the Core 2 is promising. Now if only Apple would hurry up and put them in portables, I would give them some money...

Don't forget the legal stuff

Jesus, check their logo [trustedreviews.com].

intel(r)
core(tm)
inside(tm)

This requires talent. I just hope we don't run out of words we can use seeing how businesses trademark them one by one.

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Just to piss off the lawyers I am naming my next company "Rappy Systems".

Toshiba's Core 2 Duo

Just found another review: http://www.hardware.info/en-US/articles/am5na2ptZA /Toshiba_Qosmio_G30_Intel_Core_2_Duo_Mobile_and_HD _DVD__Review/ [hardware.info]

What no AMD ?

Since amd have a lot of CPU with dual core on the store now. I would like to see a comparative with Intel and AMD dual core 64 bits CPU.

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"Since amd have a lot of CPU with dual core on the store now. I would like to see a comparative with Intel and AMD dual core 64 bits CPU."

No they don't. The Turion 64 X2 was only released very recently, and to this day, good systems (read, NOT from HP or

Infinite loop??

How much time does it take to finish an infinite loop? Did they say that?

Re:Launched today?

Core 2 Duo desktop and laptop chips were formally announced in July (the 27th or so). Desktop chips (Conre) were launched then, and started shipping (with models coming out in serious numbers over the last two weeks). Notebook chips (Merom) were "launched" today, which means we can look at pretty benchmarks as Intel starts shipping them out to most OEMs. We will see the processors in computers at stores in a few weeks.

Re:Nomenclature

You are entirely wrong.

So the Intel Core 2 Duo chip, also known as Merom was internally known as Conroe...

No. Merom and Conroe are the notebook and desktop versions, respectively, of the same chip. Merom and Conroe are both the internal names of the chips. Officially, they're both called "Core 2 Duo", and the model numbers distinguish the two series. There are physical differences, including FSB speed and (IIRC) cache architecture.

and is based on the Pentium M 'Banias' mobile chip based out of Haifa.

No. Core Duo is based on the Pentium M Dothan, which was an improved (more cache and higher FSB) version of Banias.

Additionally, the original Core Duo (Yonah) isn't really a Core product,

True. Props to Intel for the dumb naming.

it's just a P4M with two cores.

No! It's a Pentium M with two cores! Big difference! The Pentium 4-M is a pathetic, hot, power-hogging, slow version of the Pentium 4. The Pentium M is based mostly on the Pentium III, and was designed from the ground up to be more efficient per watt.

Core structure actually starts with Core 2 Duo, thus the Core 2 identification?

Yes. structure = microarchitecture.

While I agree, Intel's naming and branding sucks... try not to make it worse!

Re:Nomenclature

I find it interesting that people readily accept the notion that Pentium M is a derivative of the PIII while Core 2 is somehow distinct from Core or Pentium M. The Pentium M was developed years after the PIII, was specifically developed for portables, was created by an entirely different design team, used the bus of the P4 and had significant architectural differences when compared to PIII. The Core 2, meanwhile, is an immediate follow-on of Core, just as Core was a follow-on of Pentium M, is architecturally similar and even shares a pinout with Core in the case of Merom. To claim that Core 2 is the first "Core architecture" product is arbitrary and more absurd than claiming that Pentium M is a new version of PIII, yet that seems to be what's floated around here. Each processor is a new design effort that benefits from designs that came before it. Naming is simply marketing BS.

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I think you misread it. but that's easy to do. Decide for yourself:

Website: So how does the mobile version of Core 2 Duo (Merom) actually differ from the desktop version (Conroe)? Actually, the differences are relatively minor - though as it's essential

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Is there any way to tell which of these intel chips are 64 bit?

You know you've reached sublime advertising obfuscation when a cell phone plan seems simple in comparison.

WTF, K.

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the original Core Duo (Yonah) isn't really a Core product,

It has only itself to blame really. If it had only listened to God in the first place it wouldn't have been swallowed whole by that other chip.

Re:A tale of the Dell XPS Line

Hello, astroturf. Who the hell knows the model numbers of their friend's laptops??? Is there some sort of organized place where slashdotters can identify astroturfers like this?