Robot Balances on a Single Spherical Wheel 211
dalangalma writes "Researchers at Carnegie Mellon University's Robotics Institute have developed a new kind of robot called the Ballbot that balances on a steel ball. Using a mechanism similar to a ball mouse, the Ballbot uses rollers to drive its single, spherical wheel and balance in place or glide around the room. The promise of such dynamically stable robots is that they can be much taller without having to have a wide base, making them much more suitable for working with humans. They are also much more agile, since they can be pushed out of the way easily without falling over. You can read the press release or check out the project's web page when it recovers from traffic."
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Ooops (Score:3, Funny)
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FTFA: "Ballbot has an onboard computer that reads balance information from its internal sensors, activating rollers that mobilize the ball on which it moves -- a system that is essentially an inverse mouse-ball drive. When Ballbot is not in operation, it stands in place on three retractable legs."
One word: lint. This sucker will fall down as soon as the rollers get clogged up, same as your mouse stops working.
Or try spilling some oil from your salad on the ground. Or leave a few pieces of duct tape, s
CARRYING ALONG THE MOUSE ANALOGY... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Ooops (Score:4, Funny)
A robot ends up dragging and whipping its body all over the lab, smashing and breaking things in an effort to right itself.
Of course, I assume they have it give up if it the torso passes a certain inclination.
meet the new dalek (Score:5, Funny)
Until said humans goes down a flight of stairs.
*Oof*
*Bounce*
*Expensive crashey noises*
At this rate we'll have-em screaming "exterminate" in no time.
(and yes I know post 2005 Daleks can do everything and go everywhere - I'm talking pre-video-game dalek)
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Or maybe there'll be a ramp on each stair-case. Stairs at that inclination will be easier for humans, but a ramp would be easier for Ballbot and it's brethern.
Of course, as someone has already invented the Elevator, maybe the problem is already solved.
Re:meet the new dalek (Score:5, Interesting)
Turn the ball on the ground into an ankle. That is, put a foot/pod beneath the ball, and the robot balances itself above the foot/pod.
Then it should be stable enough to take a step with the other foot/pod.
I'm thinking: "The reason you can't put two of these side-by-side, joined at the top, and make it walk up stairs, is because there's such a sudden change in it's weight distribution when it picks up one foot. You need something to be stable."
I started asking myself, "How do people do it?",
If you stack up 3 of these things on top of each other, and synchronize their intelligence, can they stand up on top of one another? That's what I want to know now.
Re:meet the new dalek (Score:2)
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Hopefully they'll have a "power-low" sensor that will alert them to extend training-wheels or some such...
Segway on a ball! (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Segway on a ball! (Score:2)
Didn't someone do this with a pogo stick? (Score:2)
Yes (Score:2)
Re:Segway on a ball! (Score:2)
Familiar? (Score:4, Informative)
Not quite (Score:2)
Rosie was perched atop a single roller skate, from what I can tell and remember.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/aa/JetRe:Familiar? (Score:2)
Weebles... (Score:5, Funny)
Other jokes could involve roll-on deodorant, or those kid's inflatable boxing dummies that flip back up when you hit them.
Neat design, really. I think a lot of people's first urge would be to try and push the robot over though, which like the old Weebles, may produce that same herky-jerky roll back to stability. I wonder how much gunk would build up in the mouse-wheel of those things though - be hard to turn it over to clean with that production model. Have to have some kind of door in it to clean without taking it out.
Ryan Fenton
Re:Weebles... (Score:2, Interesting)
Killer app? (Score:5, Funny)
Slow News Night (Score:2)
I for one... (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:I for one... (Score:3, Funny)
And who doesn't enjoy a sack of Schweaty balls [youtube.com] during the holidays?
A boon to senior citizens (Score:5, Funny)
You know, I've always hated that whenever I try to push a robot out of the way, I fall over.
This feature will be a boon to senior citizens especially.
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Chooie.
Unf.
How is this "much more suitable"? (Score:5, Insightful)
The promise of such dynamically stable robots is that they can be much taller without having to have a wide base, making them much more suitable for working with humans
Huh? How does thinner = autmatically "much more suitable"? I just don't get it. We're used to working with people, and that extends to their personal space, which is substantially larger than the person. Who says that human/robot 'synergy' has anything to do with how fat the robot is?
Nevermind that all that active movement to keep standing upright means lots of battery drain, and irritating/distracting movement to said humans. We find coworkers that tap pens on their desks annoying, but they think this will 'fly'?
Oh, when the battery runs out of juice, or a motor (or its controller) goes dead- hilarity ensues...
Power issues, thinness (Score:5, Informative)
"When Ballbot is not in operation, it stands in place on three retractable legs."
So 'nervous balance' motions won't be necessary, one could assume.
As for the thinness issue: it is precisely the personal space issue that makes a thin robot useful in a crowded public space. Our perception of personal space factors in the personal space of the other person. So a robot that is as wide as one's 'personal space bubble' causes people interacting with it to give it even more room. The thin chassis on this robot alleviates that problem by only taking up an amount of space roughly equivalent to the human torso, so that a person's "personal space guess" comes out accurately.
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Re:How is this "much more suitable"? (Score:2)
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Re:How is this "much more suitable"? (Score:3, Insightful)
Find a wheelchair. Try to navigate through your daily routine. Ever notice how most human spaces aren't designed for a wide chassis? Imagine if ''everybody'' was in a wheelchair. Try passing the 'slow walker' (you know
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Piers Anthony alien race from Cluster? (Score:3, Interesting)
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You remember how they have sex but you can't remember their name?.. ?
Re:Piers Anthony alien race from Cluster? (Score:5, Funny)
I can't count the times I've asked myself something similar in the morning.
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Re:Not So Strange (Score:2)
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Re:Piers Anthony alien race from Cluster? (Score:2)
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Re:Piers Anthony alien race from Cluster? (Score:3, Informative)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulefa [wikipedia.org]
Re:Piers Anthony alien race from Cluster? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Piers Anthony alien race from Cluster? (Score:4, Informative)
"It was a tear drop shaped thing with a massive spherical wheel on the bottom and a limber tentacle or trunk at the top"
They communicated by vibrating a smaller spherical ball on the end of the trunk against another object (ie the ground). AFAICR
As for the sex, they chase each other round in an ever decreasing circle, incensed by each others trails, until they touch. Then the male polarian releases his large wheel and joins onto the females large wheel so that they both join at the seam. Then they spin the wheel until it springs into life and forms a child. After that, the female pinches the males communication wheel to use as a transit wheel, leaving him temporarily mute, and he gets to use his old transit wheel again.
I can't believe I just described that !I do have the trilogy on the shelf though. It is the Cluster Trilogy [wikipedia.org] by Piers Anthony, consisting of Vicinity Cluster, Chaining the Lady, and Kirlian Quest. Weird books, based around the transference of a beings aura across galactic distances and that aura inhabiting living "hosts" once transferred. Lots of tarot references too.
NEW technology?!? (Score:4, Funny)
Using a mechanism similar to a ball mouse
Pfft... Let me know when they've developed a mechanism similar to a laser mouse.
Re:NEW technology?!? (Score:2)
Didn't the Quintessons have something like that?
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Technological Threat (Score:3, Informative)
Ballbot in action (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Ballbot in action (Score:2)
I notice the first video in the list is titled, "Ballbot Balances Itself On One Ball" [youtube.com]
Ouch!
Slashdot losing its touch? (Score:2, Interesting)
Wait, so you mean it was slashdotted
Slashdot must be sliding into irrelevance...
That's right: SLASHDOT IS DYING...
Who named this??? (Score:3, Funny)
*speaking into wrist communicator* Ballbot! TRANSFORM!
Very nice (Score:5, Insightful)
That's a nice system. There are some annoying limitations, though. It's tough to change the orientation of the robot, although you can handle that if you have a rotational joint further up so you can rotate the torso. Small diameter balls have the same problems as small diameter wheels - it's easy to get stuck in small depressions. That's why the Segway has such big wheels. And driving a sphere is always a tough problem mechanically. Most of the solutions have trouble with dirt accumulating on the drive wheels, which is why optical mice have replaced ball mice. It's possible to build a spherical electric motor [uspto.gov], and that might be the way to go if this concept turns out to be useful.
It's good to see all this activity in self-balancing systems again, having worked on this around 1994-1995, and seen others working on it in the 1980s. Today, you can buy so much of what you need off the shelf, like good INS units. We used to waste too much time building custom stuff.
Re:Very nice (Score:2)
Hmm, how about a couple of internal counter-rotating flywheels.... spin them both up simultaneously, and then whenever you want to turn the robot, apply a bit of brakes to just one of them.
Re:Very nice (Score:2)
Link to videos (Score:2)
response to a disturbance: http://www.msl.ri.cmu.edu/projects/ballbot/video/
point-to-point motion: http://www.msl.ri.cmu.edu/projects/ballbot/video/
how far can it fall? (Score:2)
Terrible Secret (Score:5, Funny)
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They must have had a few bugs in the software (Score:4, Funny)
Since the purpose of this structure is to interact with humans, They should just install big inflatable boobs and ass instead.
It would have been easier... (Score:2)
The balls would have much higher centers of gravity (making the balance extremely easy) and fine tune the machinery required to remain balanced. From there, they could work their way into smaller and smaller balls, tweaking their materials (hardware & software) to a point of where it could handle pretty small piece
Amazing. (Score:2, Insightful)
That robot in the videos is truly amazing - graceful, simple, and harmonious.
This is what we need - systems that co-operate with humans, can be pushed around, and stick to their own personal space.
We need more beauty and grace in the world, not less.
I work in technology, but I also study feng shui, and that robot has it in abundance.
Cool.... (Score:2)
Efficiency, dynamic energy need (Score:2)
Fudd's Law (Score:2)
Don't they teach elementary physics anymore?
"If you push something hard enough, it will fall over!" - Fudd's First Law of Opposition.
Brought to you by the Department of Redundancy Department.
What did I do with that boxcar of industrial coke?
Giant ball crushes people? (Score:5, Interesting)
Knowing the folks at the robotics institute it'll be about 2 years before we see the army testing out a prototype robot that balances on a ball .... and then uses the ball to crush infantry while launching missiles.
CMU has a lot of great projects like that. Gladiator, Crusher... I know that most individual robot builders mean well, and I have friends who are anti-war at the RI, but seriously, look at who is actually demanding this technology and where it's being used. It's not being used to house the poor.
Sticking to the Floor (Score:2)
That stick just stood up straight on its end, wobbling ever so
Re:i'm surprised this hasnt come around sooner... (Score:5, Informative)
The overall concept is the same (in the sense that you have a system to balance and probably similar mathematics to do it), but the single point of contact with the ground makes for a different solution matrix. Segways need only balance in one dimension; this robot has to account for two, and it must solve for its balance with one manipulator. To add to the complexity, it must also navigate and motivate itself; a Segway's navigation system takes advantage of the sensors and processor installed in all of its cargo (a handy feature!) to offset the 'heavy lifting' of directional goals.
I believe this project may also pre-date the segway by a few years, if you look at the papers published on it.
supermarket shopping cart syndrome (Score:2, Insightful)
roll THUNK roll THUNK. And stairs? Or going outside?
I like old school, traditional sci fi robots, humanoid looking, bipedal walking type. If they need to get fancy, drop in the jackie chan mod chip or something.
Re:supermarket shopping cart syndrome (Score:2)
Grad student: oohh yeah, that old geezer *did* say there were downsides to those old 'balled mice'. I s'posse this is what he meant.
On a different note: what exactly is 'port' on a (presumably non-seafaring) cylindrical omnidirectional robot????
Re:i'm surprised this hasnt come around sooner... (Score:2)
Re:i'm surprised this hasnt come around sooner... (Score:2)
Segways are already shipping a robotics platform, and it's being used in mobile robots.
Maybe you can explain what you think the advantage of this system over a Segway-based mobile robot is.
Re:i'm surprised this hasnt come around sooner... (Score:2)
Changes in travel direction w/o rotation of the whole bot.
In fact all sorts of sudden directional changes and steering become much simpler.
Mycroft
Re:i'm surprised this hasnt come around sooner... (Score:2, Funny)
at first glance, maybe.
but think about this: i'm a bicycle mechanic, and tool around with various art bikes in my spare time. one idea i had was for a dual steering bike, where both wheels turned at the same time, synched up with rods and bearings. the goal was to make a bike that travels diagonally, or even sideways, once the balance issues are worked out. as i thought about this, it occured to me that if i was riding a
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Re:i'm surprised this hasnt come around sooner... (Score:3, Interesting)
The main advantage of the ballbot is that it can be narrower to fit in tight spaces. The footprint of an RMP isn't really any better than the other robots it replaces. The Segway's main advantages are that it is fast, it works outdoors, and it can carry fairly heavly loads. The ballbot looks like a work in progress, and the results in the paper do not
Re:Step one completed (Score:5, Interesting)
My daughter's obsessed w/ Tachikoma, as well. [sabifoo.com] She's buying blue everything, to look like one. Her biggest dilemma right now in life, is whether to die her hair purple, (and thus resemble the Major,) or to die her hair blue (and thus resemble a Tachikoma.)
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Re:Problems (Score:3, Funny)
My kids would probably take it down with a single Hotwheel toy. They took me down a few times that way. Too bad they are too young to sue.
Re:Problems (Score:2)
Of course. Short of having something to push against or grab onto, and an appendage with which to push or grab it, falling over is the only option in that situation. Humans sometimes fall over for the same reason. That's what happens when you trip over something. Some object impedes the motion of your foot, which pr
Re:Segway? (Score:2)
he fell off it sanding still in under 20 sec
Re:Videos! (Score:2)
Re:How does this thing turn in place? (Score:2)
Re:Nothing new: simple Linear controller (Score:2)
Chip H.
Re:Nothing new: simple Linear controller (Score:2)
What the hell is the fascination with fuzzy logic?
There isn't any, or at least there hasn't been any with serious control theorists in the last 10 years since the fad went away. This guy is full of crap. Fuzzy control is just linear control with a non-smooth control surface.
Re:Nothing new: simple Linear controller (Score:2)
And for the record, I'm not an ME (sort of... it's complicated) and I've only used a PID once. I do like the ME approach to controls, though... mmmmgeometry.