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Robotic Telesurgery by Remote Surgeons
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Zonk
on Fri May 19, 2006 07:37 PM
from the does-it-hurt-when-i-do-*this* dept.
from the does-it-hurt-when-i-do-*this* dept.
Roland Piquepaille writes "In a few years, telesurgery performed by multi-armed robots remotely controlled by real surgeons located hundreds or thousands of kilometers away will become commonplace. Today, Canadian doctors from the Centre for Minimal Access Surgery (CMAS) are developing the technology for NASA. Their goal is to build a portable robotic unit that would be used in space missions, war zones and remote areas within five years. So far, the experiments already done in Canada and for NASA are extremely encouraging. But read more for additional details and pictures of a real surgeon controlling such a robot."
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Problems? (Score:3, Funny)
"Oh no! The connection's lagging doctor!"
"Reconfigure the upstream bandwidth, and re-route all traffic to the backup server!"
A new thing you don't want to hear from your doc: (Score:2, Funny)
Re:A new thing you don't want to hear from your do (Score:3, Funny)
Re:A new thing you don't want to hear from your do (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Problems? (Score:3, Funny)
Nurse: "Doctor the robo-surgeon seems to have crashed."
Doctor: "Look on the display it says, nothing for you to see? What's going on"
In bursts the network admin exclaiming: "The surgeon he's been... s
X-Bender (Score:2)
Don't try that on the Internet until ... (Score:5, Insightful)
This is a very strong argument for tiered bandwidth - so ISPs can guarantee that surgical waldo packets take priority over, say, downloads of the latest release of an OS or a new movie.
It's one thing to hiccup when you're handling a VoIP packet. It's quite another when you're handling the content of a feedback loop including a video camera, a surgeon, a scalpel, and a vital organ.
Re:Don't try that on the Internet until ... (Score:2)
Re:Don't try that on the Internet until ... (Score:2)
Re:Don't try that on the Internet until ... (Score:3, Interesting)
But it seems obvious to me, at least, that this would only be usable with
Re:Don't try that on the Internet until ... (Score:3, Interesting)
A QoS-enabled Internet would work just fine. And it's coming - unless misguided "Net Neutrality" laws throw the bab
Re:Don't try that on the Internet until ... (Score:3, Interesting)
Only if they're a TDM point-to-point or switched connection, or a virtual one using something like ATM. In which case it's not the Internet.
It's connection-oriented, not packet-oriented (even if it's packets being car
Awesome. (Score:5, Insightful)
CounterStrike Surgeons (Score:5, Funny)
Doctor [Scalpel] Patient
Doctor: WTF LAG
Trouble (Score:4, Funny)
How are they different from these guys... (Score:2, Informative)
what is the maximum allowed network latency (Score:3, Insightful)
What the maximum allowed network latency and thereby the maximum allowed operation distance be? Could somebody come with an answer?
will it do for spacetravel?
I mean they had to make the marsrovers autonomously, due to transmitting time.
They say they will take it to the battlefield. Come on it is monstreus piece of equipment, with a weight of approx a ton. For what reason wil they take it to the battlefield.
Not enough surgeons available at the frontline military service?
They will still need staff at operation ward, nurses anesthesiologist and so on.
We have a few of these robots at the university hospitals. Normally we have a group of surgens stading by just in case things goes wrong. We do not trust the machine totally.
I really do hope they are hackerproff. What and opportunity to blackmail people.
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Regards Rune
Personally.. (Score:3, Funny)
Advantages and disadvantages... (Score:3, Informative)
But the disadvantages are significant: the feel isn't the same as performing the surgery for real. Now, for certain types of surgery that problem isn't a problem, but the human hand is actually quite sensitive to pressures and other types of feedback that I'm sure are quite invaluable to a surgeon (IANAS, however). A machine can provide some of that feedback through the link but the amount of feedback will be limited by the sensory capability of the machine.
So, like many things, I can see this being useful for a relatively limited set of surgical operations, while for others "being there" will remain necessary.
That said, if I have to choose between having this and having nothing at all (a battlefield comes to mind for such a situation), I'd rather have this and I'll take my chances with the limitations...
da vinci system (Score:3, Informative)
http://www.teleroboticsurgeons.com/ [teleroboticsurgeons.com]
http://www.teleroboticsurgeons.com/davinci.htm [teleroboticsurgeons.com]
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd
From the Western Redundancy Playhouse Theater... (Score:3, Funny)
h@ck3d (Score:3, Funny)
Wildly Inflated Prices? Don't need to inflate (Score:2)
What makes you think that this is going to be cheap?? The only robotic surgery on the market (Da Vinci) is so expensive that people question whether it actually saves people any money even though recovery time is
The AMA? Maybe but there's bigger force... (Score:4, Insightful)
Personally, with the exception of minor, routine surgery, there is no frickin' way I'd want anyone but a real doctor and real nurses right there with me. Even the slightest possibility of a network dropout while the scalpel is cutting is terrifying to say the least. I don't care how much redundancy there is between me and the remote doctor. There is no way to 100% guarantee a solid connection at any given time, although I'm sure that a number of
Honestly, I think that you asked the right question, but you asked it the wrong way.
Awake during surgery?? (Score:3, Interesting)