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Nokia to Put Google Talk on its Linux Tablet 97

Posted by Zonk from the lots-of-things-to-like-here dept.
prostoalex writes "The next version of Nokia 770 Linux-based Internet tablet with WiFi support will feature Google Talk with VOIP in its next release, MSNBC reports. The device is priced to sell at $390, and both Google and Nokia agree that right now it might appeal only to niche markets. In related news, however, it means Google's GTalk client will be ported to Linux, even if it's Nokia 770-specific software architecture."
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  • gtalk = jabber + voice (Score:5, Informative)

    by endx7 ( 706884 ) on Saturday May 13, 2006 @03:53PM (#15326315) Homepage Journal
    The google talk protocol is little more than jabber with a few other goodies thrown in such as voice chat. So really, right now, the only thing you miss under linux with the google talk service is the voice chat since you can use a client such as gaim or any of the multitude of other jabber clients under linux.

    • Re:gtalk = jabber + voice (Score:4, Informative)

      by mattyrobinson69 ( 751521 ) on Saturday May 13, 2006 @03:57PM (#15326339)
      Google Talk is jabber, with their voip extension to jabber. Their voip extension to jabber was released as an open standard, and is-being/has-been integrated with gaim.

    • Re:gtalk = jabber + voice (Score:5, Informative)

      by michael186 ( 827808 ) <michael003+slash ... l.com minus city> on Saturday May 13, 2006 @03:57PM (#15326341) Homepage
      Kopete [kde.org] and Gaim [sourceforge.net] are both working on voice support for Google Talk. Who's to say that Nokia aren't going to use one of these projects?

      • Re:gtalk = jabber + voice (Score:1, Interesting)

        by Anonymous Coward
        Kopete [kde.org] and Gaim [sourceforge.net] are both working on voice support for Google Talk. Who's to say that Nokia aren't going to use one of these projects?

        For the last year Nokia has been paying Collabora [collabora.co.uk] to work on the Telepathy and Farsight projects. Which is a new approach to IM, using dbus, etc.. There is currently no desktop interface (only the 770 interface), but from what I've heard, some people are trying to make a desktop interface... So I guess that's what they are going to be using.

      • Likely they'll use Tapioca [sourceforge.net], since that's being developed by the Nokia Technology Institute (INdT) [indt.org]. It already runs on Linux, and, from what I've read, has been built with mobile devices in mind, specifically the 770.
      • Kopete and Gaim are both working on voice support for Google Talk. Who's to say that Nokia aren't going to use one of these projects?

        Well, Google, of course. Google wants to see their client and their logo in 770. They are going to make Nokia a offer that it can't decline. For example, building the whole thing and giving some kind of support for it.

    • You might as well start the sentence with "For all of you that are annoyed about Netscape crashing all the time, I've been using an alternative called Firefox lately..."

      No, wait, you were being sarcastic? Now I feel stupid :(
      • That was the most informative post I have ever seen in /. ... Gaim supports Jaber, gtalk is Jaber, all gaim needs to do is support gtalk's extension for voip. Wow man thnx for letting us know, +1 informative from me too. Every morning, every day more I learn ... Seriously now, democracy sometimes does not work well and /.'s new moderation system is an example of this.

    • Re:gtalk = jabber + voice (Score:5, Informative)

      by nurmr ( 773394 ) on Saturday May 13, 2006 @04:49PM (#15326543) Homepage
      And the Psi team have a working implementation of Jabber-Jingle (the standard evolved from what gtalk are using) running on Linux. They've successfully made calls from Psi to GTalk, etc.
    • BZZT! Wrong! GTalk=Jabber - vCard support. Google's lack of user directory is what's preventing them from joining the IM Federation [imfederation.com] right now. Jabber has voice support, it's called Jingle [jabber.org]. Google contributed it to the XMPP standard.
      • I was refering to Jabber The Protocol, not Jabber The Client.
        • Yes, and so was I. Jabber has VOIP functionality as part of the standard. It's called Jingle. Read the fucking JEP.
          • Funny you should mention Jingle/Jingle-Audio, especially seeing as Google not only wrote the primary implementation, but the standard itself. While Google is lacking on vCard at the moment, I can see it quickly being tied into Gmail, which would allow a great deal of interoperability, but these things on the scale Google is doing them take time, and that's time I'm willing to allow them; I would much rather they released something great and usable infrequently than a piece of garbage repeatedly.

      • Whereas some of your comment may be true, much of it is unrelated. Having support for vCards and support for an open user directory are two completely different things.

        For one thing, a server can have vCard support and no user directory. In fact, the vast majority of open, public Jabber servers fall under this category, including many of those still listed on that IM Federation site you linked to. But also, a server could have a user directory with no vCard support.

        Google are already part of the XMPP n

  • Honestly I dont like the gaim interface *that* much. I really like the Gtalk interface for windows, this is great news!

  • does it matter? (Score:4, Informative)

    by Walter Carver ( 973233 ) on Saturday May 13, 2006 @03:55PM (#15326321) Homepage
    I don't think it's important. Since Gtalk uses the Jabber protocol, there are already good clients for Linux. Google even explains how to make Gaim work with Gtalk.
    • Google really isn't making any money out of Google Talk yet. This may be a start.
    • For sure ... Actually linux is already to talk with GTalk. The Tapiooca-Voip framework can talk with GTalk(voice and IM) without problems. Landell project (http://sourceforge.net/projects/landell/ [sourceforge.net]) is developed in C# using tapioca-voip framework too and it works fine. I think is not necessary has GTalk ported for linux, but is necessary make a better voip client to make the things more easy for the user, because, in my opinion, linux has great IM clients, not VOIP clients.

  • In Related News... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by gral ( 697468 ) <kscarr73@gTEAmail.com minus caffeine> on Saturday May 13, 2006 @03:56PM (#15326327) Homepage
    With Gaim already ported to Nokia 770, you can talk to people on GTalk servers through Jabber already, provided of course you already have a Jabber account.
    • yep not that big a deal, check out www.savaje.com and www.mexuar.com on Tuesday for a release announcement at JavaOne in SF about their voip capabilities. for 3rd party developers this will be a much bigger deal (and will also make the recent Pangean WM 5.0 announcement look like small times) Also if you really want to see what nokia have planned look at their Java CDC compliant handsets they have in the pipeline for release in about 4 months from now..... lol - also ask why they didn't want announcements

    • Re:In Related News... (Score:3, Informative)

      by ploss ( 860589 )
      But you cannot _speak_ to them, which is the real news. You can still chat using the Google Talk servers through gaim (which is what I do currently, see this article [google.com] for setup information.)

      Lack of built-in VoIP was the only thing keeping me from seriously considering buying one of these cool little devices, as well as lack of a built-in keyboard, until it was pointed out that a bluetooth keyboard would work. This would be a very handy device to have, if not only for random web-browsing in-between classes a

  • Not necessarily GTalk... (Score:4, Informative)

    by Jussi K. Kojootti ( 646145 ) on Saturday May 13, 2006 @03:57PM (#15326337)
    it means Google's GTalk client will be ported to Linux
    Not necessarily. The maemo roadmap has said for some time that the next release will have Telepathy [freedesktop.org] support -- which means a GoogleTalk client. That's not necessarily GTalk...

    • Telepathy is great... idea, http://tapioca-voip.sf.net/ [sf.net] is a great, working software, you can run on your system now and will be able to run it on your 770 as soon as you have GStreamer 0.10 running there, and this is the next version of maemo!

      Really, try it out, it's really cool so far. Jabber and GTalk support is exposed in GUI, but SIP and others does work with underlying framework, just need some GUI work to make it available to users.

  • Invite? (Score:4, Funny)

    by tepples ( 727027 ) <tepples@gmai3.14159l.com minus pi> on Saturday May 13, 2006 @04:13PM (#15326392) Homepage Journal

    Gtalk requires Gmail. Does a Gmail invite code come free with each purchase of a tablet?

  • Great, but ... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Qwavel ( 733416 ) on Saturday May 13, 2006 @04:20PM (#15326417)
    That sounds great but it leaves some big questions:

    - Will the new software be available to users of the current Nokia 770?

    - The article says that users will not be able to call regular PSTN phone numbers. It is understandable that Nokia would want to prevent this, but how can they stop users from using GoogleTalk with a generic VoIP to PSTN service (since GoogleTalk uses SIP).

    - Will this GoogleTalk be available to users of Desktop Linux? Will Google be open-sourcing GT?

    I guess we'll have to wait till Tuesday (at least) until there is much to say.
    • Regarding question 1,

      From the Nokia 770 site [nokia.com]:
      The Nokia 770 Internet Tablet's software is upgradeable and currently runs on the Linux-based Internet Tablet 2005 software edition. There is a planned launch next year of an operating system upgrade - the Internet Tablet 2006 software edition - that will support additional services, including Internet telephony (VoIP) and Instant Messaging.

      As for your second question, I would think that a "normal" user couldn't do it, but since as you point out the protocol is o
    • (since GoogleTalk uses SIP)

      Except it doesn't. It uses the moral equivalent of Jingle.
    • Will this GoogleTalk be available to users of Desktop Linux?

      Who cares? As far as I know, the protocols are open, so we can create our own implementations. It's far more important to have an open protocol than to have some official-but-binary-only Linux client.

  • It's odd how this is being reported on MSNBC...I thought Microsoft hated Google?

  • hmmm (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Mad_Rain ( 674268 ) on Saturday May 13, 2006 @04:42PM (#15326513) Journal
    Right now, I'm seeing a number of different posts saying "so what? Gtalk is just jabber, and it already works with eleventy-hundred other IM programs. Just use Gaim or Kopete or something to connect." The point that is interesting to me is that the Gtalk client, and specifically the VOIP component of the Gtalk client will be ported to Linux. Currently, if you want VOIP, you have to use the Windows client. Please, Google, get this done, and make it possible for other IM clients [google.com] to use the VOIP as well. Gaim and Kopete have been taking forever to get this functionality into their clients.
    • I have not tried it myself, but here [kde-apps.org] is something that might work for you in the meantime.
      • After I posted my remark, I started doing some more digging around again. I did run across Psi, and was going to examine it further, but it some source compiling [psi-im.org]. Kopete appears to have similiar functions available to connect with a Psi client, but it requires svn access and more compiling. [kde.org] While looking further, I checked out Tapioca [sourceforge.net] which had simple instructions to get it going (and a number of packages for whatever linux distrobution you use). It installed, it runs, now I just need one of my friends
        • If you want to test tapioca just talk with the tapioca guys on IRC channel. Try it on irc.freenode.net channel #tapioca-voip.
    • Sorry to rain on that parade, but Google has already made the code available [google.com] for any Linux/OS project that is willing to support Google's license (which I believe ATM is Berkeley-style, very relaxed for Google). A number of primary and existing Linux clients are already working feverishly to include support for libjingle.

      • Re:hmmm (Score:3, Informative)

        by Mad_Rain ( 674268 )
        I amend my previous statement. But like many users, I was holding out for a "it just works" solution. I find that Tapioca [sourceforge.net] has "won the race" (at least for me) to incorporate VoIP functionality. To my knowledge, more popular IM clients have not managed to do this. Gaim has been working on incorporating this since October, and it's still not going to get done until after the 2.0 release, which has been in beta for about 6 months. Psi is a little closer, but requires some compiling to complete, as does th
    • As I sad in another post, Tapioca-Voip framework is already to talk with GTalk. What we need, in my opinion, is a better VOIP client to make the things more easy for the user. Linux has a lot of IM client, not VOIP clients. IE Landell project http://sourceforge.net/projects/landell/ [sourceforge.net].

  • Tapioca (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward
    Just use Tapioca in linux!
    http://tapioca-voip.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net]

    Connects to GTalk network, and has all the voip protocol implemented. Who needs gaim?!
  • With the brand recognition of Google maybe the cell providers won't be able to simply disable the feature and pretend they are selling the same phone.

    • Re:Great (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward
      With the brand recognition of Google maybe the cell providers won't be able to simply disable the feature and pretend they are selling the same phone.

      Not an issue.

      That's what is Big Picture Cool(tm) about this. The 770 is not a phone in that it does not have GSM or CDMA aboard and does not interact with (or require) a telco at all. Imagine the PSP except built by people who are not obsessed with fucking over the end user.

      Currently you might by a camera phone and find that, while it takes fine pictures, yo

  • GPLTalk (Score:3, Informative)

    by Doc Ruby ( 173196 ) on Saturday May 13, 2006 @06:26PM (#15326924) Homepage Journal
    If Google releases a Linux GTalk under GPL, the rest of us can make it work on other hardware. Like a Treo running Linux [handhelds.org].
    • You may try Tapioca-VoIP http://tapioca-voip.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net]. It can talk with Google Talk and runs on open software, with GStreamer 0.10 and DBus being major components.

      It's still in development, they support SIP, but not in GUI, just the underlying framework.

      • That looks pretty cool. I can't quickly tell from the project docs whether it can talk to a standard SIP server, or whether it needs the server bundled with the project. And whether that standard SIP server can be something really standard, rather than only GoogleTalk. IE, can the client work just like a regular SIPphone, like the popular X-lite client? And has it been tested across (latent) radio networks like GPRS/EDGE/EVDO/UMTS/WiFi?
      • I have already successfully compiled Tapioca in Maemo without the voice capabilities as it requires GStreamer 0.10, which is not available (yet) in the platform. But I got some problems on running Tapioca, because of the old version of DBus present in the device. So I compiled the required version of DBus and I could not figure out how to have the two versions of DBus running in the same machine.
  • This is great news! First NetHack for the 770 [t-o-m-e.net], and now this! What else could a person need?
  • Nokia's been saying for some time now that the next release would have VOIP...

    OK. And now we find out that it's.... GChat? No SIP? I get VOIP, but I can only use it with other users of GChat?

  • In related news, however, it means Google's GTalk client will be ported to Linux

    About frigging time!
  • Doesn't one of Gaim's lead developers work for Google, specifically with the goal of porting GTalk's voip capabilities to Gaim?

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