The First Quad SLI Benchmarks 109
An anonymous reader writes "X-bit labs have a preview of NVIDIA's Quad SLI system based on two GeForce 7900 GX2 cards. On each GeForce 7900 GX2 is allocated 512 MB of on-board memory, which is connected through a special bridge chip with 16X PCIe lanes to the other daughter card and the system. The two GPUs on the card work in SLI mode. The core and memory are clocked lower than a single GPU card at 550 MHz and 1.2GHz (DDR). For Quad SLI, NVIDIA has introduced a new mode of SLI, AFR of SFR where each card alternately renders a frame split between the two GPUs of one card after the other. The GX2 cards are benched (when possible) at resolution of 2560 by 1600 with 32X SLI AA and compared to a Crossfire x1900 XTX system on a variety of games."
HTIALOA (Score:5, Funny)
Re:HTIALOA (Score:1)
Re:HTIALOA (Score:1)
There's NIKON 70-200 F2.8 G IF-ED AF-S but the winner goes too.... AF-S DX VR Zoom-Nikkor 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G IF-ED
Eat your heart out
Unlike CPU, dual GPU costs double (Score:3, Insightful)
Its obvious we expect more processing power, but the prices nowadays are silly.
Its also fucked up the benchmarking because you can't just look for the card your interested in, you have to check for it being in SLI or QSLI mode.
Re:Unlike CPU, dual GPU costs double (Score:2)
Well, because unlike cpus, the margins are a LOT lower.
If you disregard the highest end, you pay maybe 200-300$ for a card that has 100$ worth of memory alone on it, too.
And that for chips made in the newest processes with 300-400 mm^2 die size.
While CPUs are barely reaching 150mm^2. Thats why one can easily add another die to a cpu without breaking the manufacturing bounderies, while this is not possible with gpus.
Another reason: GPUs are much m
Re:Unlike CPU, dual GPU costs double (Score:3, Informative)
Reason may be that dual-GPUs are not dual core but two GPUs (usually) on two different PCB?
In a word, they're merely sticking two full graphic cards together, while dual-core CPUs stick the cores and the dual-CPU handling logic in a single physical package.
Dual GPU is twice as expensive to buy because it's twice as expensive to make in the first place.
X-bit found a tit on that one, no? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:X-bit found a tit on that one, no? (Score:5, Insightful)
They are, and this is why when I see an article with more than 3 pages I just click the last page for the conclusions by habit.
I don't know why the editors think their readers can be arsed to click for a new page after each word, because it definitely doesn't work.
Re:X-bit found a tit on that one, no? (Score:2)
Actually, I jumped directly to the Oblivion benchmarks, and didn't bother with the conclusion. It might as well have been a page anchor though.
Re:X-bit found a tit on that one, no? (Score:1, Funny)
BTW use the print version, one page + no ads.
Printer Friendly (Score:5, Interesting)
http://www.xbitlabs.com.nyud.net:8090/articles/vi
Probably good to have a Coralized link anyways, their site was slowing down for me.
Re:X-bit found a tit on that one, no? (Score:1, Funny)
here's everything in one page:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/print/gefor ce7900-quad-sli.html [xbitlabs.com]
Read this somewhere:
Re:X-bit found a tit on that one, no? (Score:2)
When two is not enough... (Score:5, Funny)
Fuck Everything, We're Doing FOUR Graphics Cards [theonion.com]
Re:When two is not enough... (Score:5, Funny)
From the Onion article, February 2004:
From CNN [cnn.com], September 2005:
Old news... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Old news... (Score:2)
Didn't your mommy tell you that Monopoly money [wikipedia.org] aren't real money?
Re:Old news... (Score:1)
Shit
Re:Old news... (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Old news... (Score:1)
I wonder (Score:5, Insightful)
Although I'm a college student, my experences are that once people graduate college(and are making the money to afford these toys), generally they realize what a waste of money it is to stay on the bleeding edge of PC Gaming tech
I don't know though, perhaps there is a larger market for these than I think.
Re:I wonder (Score:1)
There's something to be said for being on the bleeding edge, I suppose; to some people, money is no object, and not all of them live in their parents' basements. This technology is marketed towards the Alienware crowd that has no problem dropping $5,000 on a flashy all-out computer system. The rest of us are probably not going to be gaming on a quad-SLI system any time soon.
I agree, however, that the bleeding edge becomes sub-par so quickly that it's like buying a brand-new car -- it loses some absurd per
Markets (Score:1)
Re:I wonder (Score:2)
Re:I wonder: small change (Score:2)
Also oblivion favors ati cards so crossfire would be a better option than sli in this case.
Mycroft
Re:I wonder (Score:5, Interesting)
That's one of the phases. But there's another phase in which you find that there's a lot easier to free up money than to free up time. Or to put it in other words, that you'd rather pay to have real fun than to spend time having sorta fun on the cheap. I had a machine (AMD2000+) that became unstable. Tried RAM tests, CPU burn, 3Dmark loops, disk scans & defrags, voodoo and exorcism to no use, nothing revealed an actual problem except practical use.
I bought myself a new machine and retired it to one of the world's most overpowered home file servers. Why? Because I'd literally wasted *days* of my spare time, annoyance and grief over surprise reboots. I was so pissed I considered getting a Mac, but the x86 Macs weren't out yet. Why? "Just works(tm)". That kind of time I'd been wasting myself far more than covered the distance if I put any reasonable "price" on it.
Another thing I don't do is seriously price chase. I find a serious online retailer (either one I know previously, or one with a good customer base and rep), and as long as their prices aren't really out of whack (looking at 2-3 serious shops, I'm usually within 5% of those I know cut corners on stock, service and support) I buy it. Before I'd checking for various special offers and calculating if the postage still made it preferable to buy from different suppliers etc., try out various semi-serious sites with attractive prices etc.
To bring this back to Oblivion... I find it a very good game playing at half-res (960x600) on my 1920x1200 24" LCD monitor. I've tried it at 1920x1200 just to see what it looks like, and I don't feel it makes that much of a difference. That, and that I like my XPC that doesn't require a huge case and doesn't sound like an airplane taking off, which I imagine this will. But if I seriously felt "I need a quad-SLI to play this in 1920x1200 to really enjoy this game", I wouldn't really have a problem doing that.
Compared to the number of hours I've spent (and would spend with future games, presumably it'd last a little while) it wouldn't be unreasonable. Just like this LCD is way overkill if you want to put it like "Do you really need more than a mainstream 19" LCD?" the answer is no. But well, then I'd have a slightly bigger number in an account statement somewhere. I don't mean the cash is burning in my pocket. But if FPS games is what you do for fun, it's not an unreasonably expensive hobby compared to many others.
I know one who spent $3000 on a piano, one that spent $3000 on an HD camcorder, someone that likes to tune up his car for God knows what. All for their personal hobby, because that's what they do in their spare time, and they want their spare time to be fun. You need to have some disposable income to do that. Around here, it's easy to "rent/buy yourself to death", with a too expensive apartment/house. Then you sit there, don't go out, don't make any big purchases, you make the rent but live a sparse, plain and boring life. You choose what makes you happy.
Re:I wonder (Score:5, Interesting)
I'm playing off my student loans at about 6x the minimum payments. Money is definitely not the issue. Just time.
Likewise, where I used to play every game that came out, now I only hand-pick the very best ones and I get seriously ticked if any are crap and waste my time. It's quite a marked change from the boy who always said 'I'm bored.' to the person I am today.
Re:I wonder (Score:2)
Re:I wonder (Score:1)
I know, I know, CRAZY TALK.
Re:I wonder (Score:2)
Sounds like a bad power supply to me.
Re:I wonder (Score:2)
I'm debating replacing my 19" CRT with a 1600x1200 LCD, but a 1920x1200 LCD would give me more screen realestate without sacrificing veritical resolution.
Some people just have lots of money (Score:2)
Then of course there are people that just make tons of money. Another friend makes over $200,000 per year and, while he doesn't buy things like this, he does drop the same kind of money on silly gadgets. For example a PIX 515 to guard his home network. Necess
Yeah, that all *SOUNDS* very impressive... (Score:1, Redundant)
Don't worry, though - The sequel to your favorite game might support such a configuration (assuming you have the right card model, the right rev of that model, the right motherboard, the right BIOS, and the right OS) somewhere around the time single-GPU cards have 8x (i.e. twice what this would yield, if you can get it to work) the power of anything available today.
Does this ha
Re:Yeah, that all *SOUNDS* very impressive... (Score:1)
Re:Yeah, that all *SOUNDS* very impressive... (Score:1)
Er. That would be a very nice high-and-mighty I'm-better-than-you-because-I'm-not-jealous-of-yo u r-real-ultimate-power-promise speech, if it were true. As it stands, it appears that the config supports:
Now granted, I didn't check every one of those pages to make sure they didn't contain a "we couldn't get it to run" blurb, but a random sampling produces successes
Re:Yeah, that all *SOUNDS* very impressive... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Yeah, that all *SOUNDS* very impressive... (Score:2)
Kinda like the late great Voodoo 3? Yeah, a real breeze to use. Just pop it in and let the drivers do the rest. Riiiiiiight...
Re:Yeah, that all *SOUNDS* very impressive... (Score:1)
Re:Yeah, that all *SOUNDS* very impressive... (Score:2)
Re:Yeah, that all *SOUNDS* very impressive... (Score:2)
Wow, what an ignorant statement.
Do you have any idea what a driver does? As someone who has made a living writing them, allow me enlighten you a tad...
OpenGL and Direct3D provide an Application Programming Interface for games
Re:Yeah, that all *SOUNDS* very impressive... (Score:2)
Re:Yeah, that all *SOUNDS* very impressive... (Score:2)
So I guess you didn't make it up to page 10. You know, the page titled "Bang Bang: Here Come Problems"? Where they show horrible mangled screenshots and make such comments as (Bolding mine):
Re:Yeah, that all *SOUNDS* very impressive... (Score:2)
You made the assertion that this technology requires special software support from the games. That is not true, it is all handled in the driver in a way that is transparent to the app. Yes, it's buggy now, but that is beside the point.
very cool and all, but (Score:3, Insightful)
I'm guessing you don't drive a Ferrari either? (Score:2)
You can buy a $200,000 Italian sports car or a $30,000 Japanese car and add $20,000 in parts to get almost the same performance. But you'll likely never get the same shit-eating grin.
Now, for most people, a Ford or a Honda is plenty. They'd much rather have an OK car and the $180,000 difference that they never had anyway. But that doesn't devalue what Ferrari or Lambourghini offer those who are willing to pay for it.
Similarly, yes, 1960's Ferrari probably can't hold a candle t
Re:I'm guessing you don't drive a Ferrari either? (Score:2)
May I also point out that if you kept that 1960's Ferrari maintained and in good condition it would likely be worth MUCH MORE--even in inflation adjusted dollars--than you paid for it. It would be fun AND a good investment. This is alm
Re:I'm guessing you don't drive a Ferrari either? (Score:1)
Re:I'm guessing you don't drive a Ferrari either? (Score:2)
Ok, no problem.
Let's say I bought a brand new Ferrari 250 GT "Nembo" Spyder [sportscarmarket.com] for $12,000 back in 1964, then like most owners kept it garaged and drove it mostly evenings and weekends. And let's say that over the years I'd also spend another $36,000 on repairs and servicing...three times its original purchase price.
After ten years parts would be dif
Re:I'm guessing you don't drive a Ferrari either? (Score:2)
My personal recommendation for GPUs (Score:2)
Why? (Score:1)
Re:Why? (Score:2)
Playable framerates (e.g. >30, more like ~60) when playing modern games with very high quality detail (which makes the experience more immersive).
Playing top dollar for a new title then playing it at 15 FPS is something that would be pretty stupid (I can't see how that would be 'fun' no matter how 'casual' a gamer you are - and if you are happy turning down the the graphics details to low end then you might as well settle for an a
Re:Why? (Score:2)
People with a lot of money (obviously) like to spend it on nice things! If you have the means to afford a quad-SLI rig, your priorities change.
Me, I'll stick to my 64mb Radeon.
Re:Why? (Score:2)
Wait, you say there are no hot chicks at your LAN parties? Hmm... none at mine either!
What resolution? (Score:2, Interesting)
Who actually has a monitor capable of such a high resolution?
Secondly, correct me if I'm wrong, but CrossFire currently is two cards side by side, and if four cards don't perform significantly better than two, I'd be very worried.
Re:What resolution? (Score:2, Informative)
*raises hand*
and so does anyhow who bought the 3007wfp on sale during recent dell days... Oblivion at native res is only about 30fps... would prefer to quad it up for a decent 100+ fps
Re:What resolution? (Score:2)
Any maybe you are asking the wrong question: Its not that people would buy those cards and then wonder what do do with the resolution (although i am sure such will be, too), but rather people who already spend 1000s for such ultra highres toys like the 30" Apple or dells, or those IBM displays with 4xxx*3xxx that sell for half a fortune.
Re:What resolution? (Score:2)
Re:What resolution? (Score:2)
Re:What resolution? (Score:3, Informative)
http://www1.us.dell.com/content/topics/topic.aspx/ global/products/monitors/topics/en/monitor_3007wfp ?c=us&l=en&s=gen&~section=specs [dell.com]
It's not too expensive a monitor, popular with gamers who have the kind of money to buy quad sli.
Site down (Score:1)
The real question (Score:1, Interesting)
Even if someone gave me $1k and told me I could only use it on a quad-sli setup, I don't think I'd take it, mainly because I suspect that the cards would fry everything in a five-mile radius without watercooling.
What's the freakin' point? (Score:1, Interesting)
So... can anyone explain *what's the point* then?
Re:What's the freakin' point? (Score:2)
So some lonely dude spending all his $$ on computer toys can get a few brief seconds of joy as he posts his specs on a message board somewhere.
Not dissimilar to the feeling I get when I make fun of other people. Ooooohhhhhh what a rush.
Re:What's the freakin' point? (Score:1)
Re:What's the freakin' point? (Score:1)
Re:What's the freakin' point? (Score:1)
Well, if you make fun of people, they might actually come up to you and *really* poke you in the eye, but that's another matter...
Re:What's the freakin' point? (Score:2, Funny)
Re:What's the freakin' point? (Score:2)
AFR = higher latency (Score:2)
Re:AFR = higher latency (Score:2)
This arguement was raised when they first started with the modern SLI tech, especially when the renderer doesn't support the SLI properly, I have never found any more lag than would be otherwise present (obje
Didn't one of the card companies try this before? (Score:1)
Re:Didn't one of the card companies try this befor (Score:1)
Re:Didn't one of the card companies try this befor (Score:1)
3dfx went bust a number of years ago and nVidia bought up all the leftovers, presumably taking 3dfx's sli tech and developing from there.
Re:Didn't one of the card companies try this befor (Score:1)
Re:Didn't one of the card companies try this befor (Score:2)
oooooh... benchmark porn! (Score:1)
The First Quad SilLy Benchmarks (Score:1)
To bad they don't come back in style in 10 years.
People, people, people (Score:3, Informative)
* This is not hardware for the mass market. In fact, even the dual SLI setup is overkill and mainly used as "we knew how to do it and so we did it to prove it".
* This system is not supposed to be cheap and most definitely not intended to be the most effective cost per fps solution.
* Although only a few will buy this, it is far more valuable for NVIDIA to kill ATI:s chances of de-throning them from the performance top.
* Such excessive memory bandwidth is suitable for extreme resolutions that are currently unsupported by over 95 percent of the monitors, but the point is not that we should play our games at these levels, but to prove that it is possible.
* NVIDIA gets an edge over ATI along game developers because, performance-wise, they will be able to run the future games on setups comparable to single cards that are two or even three generations away.
* Yes, it's a waste of electricity, but if you're a member of Green Peace, then wait a few more generations before you buy a cow approved graphics card that fits into this category.
* One user was upset, claiming that it would be stupid to waste $1000 on a setup like this. I agree, but if you happen to drive a Ferrari and if you are debt free and got a few million bucks stored, then why not settle for the best if you can afford it? And you can obviously get your 17-year-old Slashdot-reading neighbour to put in watercooling or whatever to make it silent, too. Point is, some people will buy this, and being able to afford something isn't being stupid.
Last but not least, we should all remember that the CPU is the new bottleneck now. It will be interesting to see what a CPU a year from now can do to this rig.
Re:People, people, people (Score:2)
Someone will make use of the capabilities but it will never be mainstream.
The real bottleneck on systems is still the buss, when buss speed is closer to CPU speed that will disappear. Of course any time you access the hard drive it seems like a 486. That is still a major bottleneck for those with less than 1GB of RA
Re:People, people, people (Score:1)
Re:People, people, people (Score:2)
Maybe because $1,000 can do a lot of good for the world feeding/clothing/curing people, four hefty-draw video cards contributes more to global warming and includes a lot more toxic waste than one card, and you can get 90% of the gaming experience by dropping $150 on a GF6800.
Basically, because if you do run four cards like this just because you have
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Things that make you go hmmmm... (Score:1)
the demo disc that came with it showed off -: DAZZLING
and _NONE_ of the fucking games I owned or subsequently bought got any significant benefit from it...
hmmmmm...
No wonder people are buying consoles - they are tired of being milked!
DX10 (Score:1)
This is so fast it'll NEVER be obsolete!! (Score:2)
I'm investing in 10.
All those predictors judging this new hardware from prvious countless years of industry/market behavior judging from thousands of computer products.. they're all wrong. ROFL @ them..
Air flow? (Score:1)
2 to many (Score:1)
That's it!!! I said screw it. I'm getting off .. (Score:1)
Guess what... (Score:2)
But
a) its not going to make you a better gamer.
b) Your system isn't going to start running uber fast.
c) The only thing you are going to get out of it is bragging rights.
Don't waste your money.