Apple's All-Seeing Screen 447
Based on a recent patent we may be seeing a new kind of display coming from the Apple store in the near future, one that can capture images as well as display them. From the article: "The clever idea is to insert thousands of microscopic image sensors in-between the liquid crystal display cells in the screen. Each sensor captures its own small image, but software stitches these together to create a single, larger picture."
Clandestine image capture (Score:5, Funny)
Obligatory: In Soviet Apple.... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Clandestine image capture (Score:4, Funny)
AMAZING!
Re:Clandestine image capture (Score:5, Funny)
"Does this rag smell like cloroform to you?"
Not mine. If I could remember which slashdotter said that first I would attribute properly. Sorry.
Re:Clandestine image capture (Score:3, Funny)
I'll be like cos^2, and you be like sin^2... and together, we'll be 1.
Ministry of Truth (Score:5, Funny)
Down with Goldstein!
(For those lacking context: Commercial [uriahcarpenter.info] | 1984 [gutenberg.net.au])
Re:Ministry of Truth (Score:5, Insightful)
Two-minute Hate (e.g. evening news)? Check
Telescreen? Check.
We have always been at war with Terrorism.
Re:Ministry of Truth (Score:5, Funny)
GOD, WHY CAN'T THAT BE CHECKED?
Re:Ministry of Truth (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Ministry of Truth (Score:5, Funny)
Yes, but only when performed properly.
Clearly, you haven't had enough sex outdoors (Score:3, Insightful)
Go backpacking in hawaii. I recommend Halape Beach and Waimanu Valley. Bring a girlfriend. Plenty of room for outdoor semi-tropical sex, and its fabulous.
(Posting Anon in case I ever run for president.)
Re:Ministry of Truth (Score:5, Insightful)
This tech is for video conferencing. Instead of having to look at a camera you can look at the screen to whom your talking to.
Re:Ministry of Truth (Score:2)
Re:Expand Your Mind (Score:2)
Personally, I see the advantages of this technology quite clearly. It can allow video conferencing where you actually LOOK at the person you're talking to. This is a big difference from today where you tend to be looking off-center of the camera at the screen. If a sensor can be placed behind every pixel, it als
Re:Ministry of Truth (Score:4, Informative)
Hmm. That should read
Minitruth will want to talk to you, friend.
Re:Ministry of Truth (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Ministry of Truth (Score:3, Funny)
Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. (Score:3, Funny)
Doubleplusgood! (Score:2, Insightful)
Or telescreens. I suddenly want to dig out the 1984 commercial again.
Re:Doubleplusgood! (Score:2)
Re:Doubleplusgood! (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Doubleplusgood! (Score:2)
Re:Doubleplusgood! (Score:2)
Shades of 1984 (Score:2)
Re:Shades of 1984 (Score:3, Interesting)
So did Orwell's original telescreen- Winston Smith took advantage of the shape of his apartment (a rectangular shoe box) and put the telescreen on the long wall, so that he could put his writing desk beside it and not be spied upon while writing in his diary.
Unfortunately quicktime has taken ownership of whatever format the patent images are in, and is drawing only the top few p
Obligatory: Facecrime (Score:5, Interesting)
Found it here: http://www.newspeakdictionary.com/ns-dict.html [newspeakdictionary.com]
Re: (Score:2)
Re:scary and freaking awsome at the same time (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:scary and freaking awsome at the same time (Score:2)
How is it any more scary than having a webcam perched on top of your monitor. The only difference is the camera will record your face straight-on, rather than from 10 degrees above it...
-JesseD'oh! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:D'oh! (Score:4, Funny)
Workaround (Score:3, Interesting)
I wonder if a picture of an older person with the red eyes in would fool such a sampling.
Obligatory Soviet Union quote (Score:2, Funny)
<Cue chirping crickets>
bad jokes from the grave (Score:3, Funny)
Online Palm readings (Score:2)
Any of you guys see those sites that tell you to smuge your face to the screen and click a button, then on the next page says you're an idiot? I guess now you won't have to feel so stupid.
Cool - but spooky... (Score:2)
Sure, eventually we'll all adapt to the idea that screens could be watching us in the same way we are watching them - but that's going to take a long, long time to r
Apple has been a leader in addressing this problem (Score:5, Insightful)
The result of this second "innovation"? iSight video confernces looked significantly more natural and more natural than web conferences hosted using Logitech and other web cams that (typically) sat to the bottom right or left of the computer monitor (or awkwardly on top) and, hence, gave participants really skewed views of each others' faces.
The innovation described in TFA is the logical next step of this eminently sensible design decision that Apple has been promoting for years.
(Side note: the reason why the iSight demos in Apple keynote addresses look so darn good is that the participants are looking at the iSight camera, and not at the actual screen when they're doing the demo. It's a very subtle shift, but it still matters. Kind of a clever, sneaky way to make the product look even better than it actually does.)
Re:Apple has been a leader in addressing this prob (Score:2)
You could even include an app that lets you offset the 'center' for situations where the monitor isn't directly facing the user.
(Is the monitor cable two way?)
Re:Apple has been a leader in addressing this prob (Score:3, Informative)
No. Autofocus, decent appearance, large CCD. (Score:5, Informative)
Number one, iSight cameras aren't even remotely as popular as all the PC USB-based webcams; they're EVERYWHERE, and ISPs for years have been giving them away as freebies. Number two, the iSight wasn't distinctive because of its interface; webcams have been available for years with USB2. I strongly suspect it was firewire because most people NEED their USB ports for keyboards and mice, but don't really use their firewire port except for occasional camcorder use, if at all.
The iSight was distinctive because:
The mounting devices just make it slightly more convenient to attach the camera, particularly if you had an Apple LCD. It's a problem solved with a little bit of tape, by the way.
Another "by the way"- the iSight cameras in the Macbook and iMac absolutely SUCK. They're basically cellphone cameras; microscopic lens and CCD, no autofocus. No privacy shutter. The picture is very noisy and low resolution, the colors are funky...
Re:Apple has been a leader in addressing this prob (Score:4, Informative)
I know somebody with a MacBook Pro, and when I video chat with her, it looks like she's looking into the camera, when she's actually not. That's probably caused by the camera being so close to the screen. I have a 24" TFT with an iSight on top of it, and the illusion isn't there.
Re:Apple has been a leader in addressing this prob (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Apple has been a leader in addressing this prob (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Apple has been a leader in addressing this prob (Score:3, Interesting)
Apple's biggest innovation over any of the other technology companies is that they hired an advertising company that's worth a damn.
And
Lenses? (Score:3, Insightful)
With lenses they could make it an insect-style compound eye. But the focus would probably be pretty rotten due to diffraction limits from the small size of the lenses. (You might be able to post-process some of that out, though.)
Re:Lenses? (Score:2)
Re:Lenses? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Lenses? (Score:2)
There are those microlenses that can change shape with charge. A million fixed-focus lenses would be much cheaper to manufacture than variable ones though.
But I suspect your second hunch is the right one - you can do some pretty amazing things in software now. There was an article
Re:Lenses? (Score:3, Interesting)
You can take pictures with a scanner. A guy did it and put the pictures up on his webpage. They were amazingly good for not even having been made using any kind of jig, he just held the scanner up and rotated his viewpoint (and thus, its as well) while the scanning element moved.
If you pointed all the elements in the same direction (perpendicular to the display of course) then you could get a fairly high-resolution image of anything directly in front of the monitor, and with infinite depth of field with
Could they call it... (Score:5, Funny)
Muahahahahaha!
Re:Could they call it... (Score:5, Funny)
Very cool. (Score:2)
Cheers.
The Toddler Test (Score:2)
I think you're right. I got a set of D-Link videophones for us and my parents (they sit on top of the TV) and my 2-year old daughter is always trying to show her grandparents her latest tricks. She sees them on the screen, so she puts herself right where this new kind of display would work, a few feet from the screen. She doesn't get that the camera has a limited field of view and
Jesus christ, people. (Score:3, Funny)
My iMac has a freaking camera in it too, and i'm not stocking up on canned goods in fear of the inevitable war with Eurasia.
I mean, it contains similarities to a fictional device...and you're acting like the only use is in the same sci-fi scenario.
Eurasian War Footing (Score:2)
Let me guess - you have a girlfriend? Let's extrapolate that to the fifty 1984 references littering the commentspace. 'nuff said.
Next up on the Apple Rumor Sites .... (Score:2)
To raise or lower volume - just twist your finger in the air above your iPod.
To select a song - just snap your fingers in the air above your iPod.
To tell Steve Jobs you love him
So if I throw a hammer at it... (Score:5, Funny)
I used to be a Mac Genius..... (Score:3, Funny)
right... (Score:2)
too bad he still can't tell the difference between a patent and a patent application. you'd think he'd get that after 30 years.
What I See... (Score:2)
What I see is Apple's lawyers descending on Slashdot for revealing their latest "Trade Secret".
Next Big Thing (Score:2)
Touch screen, not camera! (Score:5, Interesting)
Incorporating sensing elements within the display will permit sensing multiple simultaneous points of contact of arbitrary size/shape in a tablet form-factor. Neat!
Apple's been patenting lots of touch-interface concepts recently, too. Vide. [uspto.gov]
This patent is probably more about touch-screens than screen as scanner (that'd be a neat trick too, but probably would require too much resolution) or camera (would require a different but perfectly calibrated refractive element at each sensor - probably impractical).
-Isaac
Touch screens (Score:2)
I realised I had seen this awful thing before... (Score:3, Funny)
No one else has said it yet (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:No one else has said it yet - AND I'M NOT REFER (Score:2)
And I'm not referring to the On-Line Dating sites.
3-D? (Score:2)
Which would imply if you shut it off, you'd be taking fairly detailed 3-D images (left/right view 3-D limits the viewer to a single viewing angle, but if you were taking 1600 images from left to right, you'd have a LOT more image data to produce a truer 3-D model)
Interesting...
I stared into the Apple... (Score:2)
(Apologies to Nietzsche, but it had to be said)
Oblig... (Score:2)
The age of magicians (Score:3, Insightful)
Reminds me of Sun's vision of the future. What was that video called? Starlight?
online facials (Score:4, Funny)
Core Duo (Score:2)
And that explains the need for a Core Duo[tm] processor at minimum. One core to write to the screen, and the other to read from the screen and assemble the image. Putting thousands of pieces together properly will not be a minor task.
When does a camscreen become mandatory? (Score:5, Interesting)
I'm not kidding here. After all, if I'd told you ten years ago that by 2005, all cell phones would have a mandatory GPS tracker broadcasting your location to the phone company as you move about, with a nominal abilty to be switched off (ha), would you have believed me?
I see no outrage over Homeland Security, your phone company, Scientology, and any random corporation with a legal staff being capable of tracking your movements for the rest of your lives. Where is the outrage?
I see no problem with camscreens becoming mandatory in the next 15 years. Even the techiest of the techies have no problem with the tracking devices in their phones, cameras on the streets, and eventually mandatory trackers in our cars, so letting Mr. X watch you as you all watch your computer screens is not a biggie. I can see an infinite number of excuses to make it required by law. Hell, even the emergency health care bit that they used for the cell phones could be re-rigged for this one.
And the generation of kids coming up through school have been seen drug tests, dog searches, RFID trackers, and lie detectors. They've been told they have no rights as minors, and I doubt they'll be any more rebellious as adults. They're also convinced they are surrounded by enemies wanting the kill them in their schoolbuses and office buildings, so the fear excuse is a big Go.
Such a neat device, a camscreen. Here's what I'd like: separate power circuits for the screen and the camera element array. So I *know* that the thing cannot operate without my permission. But I wanted that for my cell phone's tracking device, and so far the phone salesmen look at me like I'm bin Laden or a specially-abled adult who left his house without his nurse. (big thought: look overseas for a phone capable of giving me the option of being untracked, import the damned thing. Maybe I am a little slow).
Re:When does a camscreen become mandatory? (Score:3, Insightful)
No, I wouldn't have believed you, and I still don't. Know why? Because it's not true. At least, not here in the US. Also, at least in some GPS phones, the GPS cannot be switched off, period.
At least two cellphone providers in the US balked long enough, get
Re:When does a camscreen become mandatory? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:When does a camscreen become mandatory? (Score:3, Interesting)
You are missing the point.
Currently, your neighbor can watch your house 24/7/365 and keep logs of when you leave and when you go. Then they can turn those logs over to the police upon request. The thing is, nobody does this. Your neighbor might have a vague idea of when you leave and show up, particularly if their daily routine puts them in a position to notice, but only the most demented
Re:When does a camscreen become mandatory? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:When does a camscreen become mandatory? (Score:3, Interesting)
So you're saying that if I took this phone [nokia.co.uk] to some part of deepest Africa or Wyoming where there are no cellphone masts in the vicinity, and I turned it on, then although I wouldn't get a phone signal, the phone would still know exactly where I was in the world (subject to usual GPS accuracy limits)?
Or are you talking about cell triangulation systems?
Re:When does a camscreen become mandatory? (Score:3, Interesting)
It doesn't work when you're off the cellular network, but the whole point of gpsOne is to provide your location for cellular services like emergency
What's with all the big brother jokes? (Score:3, Interesting)
With that in mind, I'd be interested in knowing how such a microsensor would work without a focusing element...
Reminds me of the support story (Score:3, Funny)
Predator like invisibility? (Score:3, Interesting)
Yes I know it wouldn't be perfect but it could be very cool.
Enough w/ the creepy stalker stuff, and "on" LEDs (Score:5, Interesting)
I'll also point out a relative of mine had this happen to her. She's a pretty, vivacious, young woman, married, was then working in a public relations firm. The IT fellow was always a little too attentive for her comfort, to the degree she actively avoided calling him for issues.
Eventually she needed her speakers for a project, but rather then call in creepy IT guy she asked office clever guy to take a look, it was probably just a loose wire or something. That was indeed the issue, however he also discovered an additional cable, running to a camera, mounted under her desk staring into her crotch, feeding into a nearby cabinet with a VCR.
Much hullaballoo ensued, everyone in the building heard of it within a few minutes, much to the ire of the police. There were fingerprints, and all of the fellas in the office but for creepy IT guy offered theirs for comparison. none of the supplied prints matched, IT guy quit, relative had her desk replaced with a table.
That's who you sound like when you post stuff like that.
The good news is Steve Jobs has been here before. I remember NeXT bringing around one of their boxes to demo at my local http://www.acm.org/ [acm.org]">ACM chapter. It came with a nifty built-in microphone, to which someone immediately noted "great for spying!" The NeXT rep gave a smile and pointed to the red LED next to the microphone, hardwired to light up whenever the microphone was active.
This practice continues to this day at Apple, putting in hardwired signal LEDs to indicate when a camera is active. My expectation is that this will continue. Indeed I wouldn't be surprised if Apple were to even include a camera-active screen mode to brighten it for a better picture when the camera is active, possibly swapping in a white background.
Re:Enough w/ the creepy stalker stuff, and "on" LE (Score:4, Informative)
Your story has some holes about 1 mile wide in it, but I'll let that rest.
Re:Enough w/ the creepy stalker stuff, and "on" LE (Score:5, Funny)
OTOH, I don't know any women.
Re:Enough w/ the creepy stalker stuff, and "on" LE (Score:3, Insightful)
great, so NOW we have to assume all women are intelligent? No. Bear in mind I don't assume all men are intelligent either.
As someone who has had the privilidge to be around women, they treat men like objects to.
Guess what? the human mind is designed that way.
Re:Enough w/ the creepy stalker stuff, and "on" LE (Score:3, Informative)
Seen http://www.apple.com/imac/isight.html [apple.com]?
LED.
ALL Apple cameras have a light, mod above down (Score:3, Insightful)
Mod that down, there is an LED included on all Apple iSight cameras. Check out Using your built-in iSight camera on a iMac G5 (iSight), iMac (Early 2006), or MacBook Pro [apple.com].
See the lines:
and
Re:Enough w/ the creepy stalker stuff, and "on" LE (Score:3, Informative)
BUT
The iMacs with iSights (G5 and Intel) DO have a LED. You can see it here [apple.com].
Background, and how stunted some /.'ers are (Score:3, Insightful)
It happened to her 10 years ago, in Toronto, at a PR firm. Her PC speakers were on the fritz for a few months, she asked a coworker to check her speaker cables for her as she was wearing a skirt that day. He found the speaker cables had indeed come unplugged, and there was a camera mounted below her desk staring directly up her skirt. The camera cable, along with a mass of others, snaked along the wall, with that particular one disappearing into a filing cabinet which was
This has lots of applications (Score:4, Interesting)
Slashdot user Isaac mentions the idea of using this for a touch sensitive display. I couldn't find this mentioned in the patent application, so the race is on to file a follow-on patent!
But you wouldn't actually have to touch the screen. Years ago, MIT built a user interface called "put that there" that did gaze tracking and voice recognition, so that the "mouse pointer" was pointing at whatever object you happened to be looking at on the display. No need to touch a mouse, you just use your gaze. That might be possible with this technology. It could also be used to interpret hand gestures and facial expressions, and use them as input.
I personally think it would be cool to build a software-programmable mirror. Think of a bathroom mirror with zoom functionality, image enhancement functions, etc. The extra functions are activated by hand gestures, and face recognition is used to determine the centre of zoom (because in a bathroom, you normally want to zoom in on your face).
Doug Moen
This technology presents interesting ideas... (Score:3, Insightful)
1. Your boss can actually watch you pick your nose and possibly see what you do with the booger. Options include wiping it on something, flicking it somewhere in your office/cubicle, eating it.
2. Your boss can view your facial expression to determine if you enjoy your job, enjoy your current task, day dreaming, sleeping on the job, or in general wasting time.
3. Your boss can see what you're eating/drinking while at work.
4. Your boss can see your facial expressions and behavior while looking at members of the same/opposite gender.
5. Your boss can see with whom you socialize and network while in front of your computer.
6. With regard to unauthorized employee monitoring, this technology could possibly be defeated with a semi-transparent mirror.
Fellow Slashdotters, please reply with ideas that I've missed/omitted!
Oh great (Score:5, Funny)
Obligatory Conspiracy Theory (Score:3, Informative)
AT&T Patented something like this ages ago... (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:ummm (Score:2)
Re:details? (Score:5, Informative)
The highest resolution radio telescopes work by reconstructing an image from multiple spread-out receivers. I saw a demo at Cambridge about a decade ago where they used the same concept on optical wavelengths to produce a clearer image than Hubble was capable of from a small set of ground-based telescopes.
Re:details? (Score:2)
Re:price? (Score:2)
Re:My monitor collects enough gunk (Score:2)
I mean; its their screen. Its everyone's copier. I'd rather have their junk on their screen than the copier plate. Or the scanner... Have you ever seen what happens when someone tries to sit on a cheap scanner? hehe...