Caller ID Spoofing Becomes Easy 168
objekt writes "According to an article in USA Today, Caller ID spoofing has become much easier in the last few years. Millions of people have Internet telephone equipment that can be set to make any number appear on a Caller ID system. And several websites have sprung up to provide Caller ID spoofing services, eliminating the need for any special hardware. For instance, Spoofcard.com sells a virtual 'calling card' for $10 that provides 60 minutes of talk time. The user dials a toll-free number, then keys in the destination number and the Caller ID number to display. The service also provides optional voice scrambling, to make the caller sound like someone of the opposite sex."
Dupe spoofing (Score:1, Interesting)
It's not a dupe (Score:5, Funny)
Re:It's not news for nerds (Score:2)
You wipe your dog's ass?
Whatsa matter? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Whatsa matter? (Score:1)
Re:Whatsa matter? (Score:1)
Same concept, I think.
Re:Whatsa matter? (Score:2)
And outside the cell phone sector, how many people actually have call display features on their phone?
Re:Whatsa matter? (Score:4, Interesting)
Many, many people believe spoofing is a valid forum of "making sure".
And why shouldn't they? (Score:1)
With all the scams that use a veneer of authority to fool people into all sorts of financial, political, or other loss, this spoofing only gives those fraudsters another tool to use when defrauding
Re:Whatsa matter? (Score:1, Insightful)
But the real kicker is now I can get that girl I'm stalking to pick up her phone, cause she keeps screening me and all my friends numbers.
Re:Whatsa matter? (Score:2)
Why would someone buy anything at all from someone who got their attention through fraudulent means? The sad thing is that not only do the spammers think that someone would do it, but worse is that people DO buy things from t
Re:Actually you remind me (Score:2)
Futile. If you want to get anywhere, you need to get the law involved, either police if it's blatant theft, or hire a lawyer. I once had a guy overseas, in Australia, scam our company by ordering goods and only giving a PO Box as an address. (I would have been suspicious myself, but some people are too trusting.) I called the Australian Consulate and spoke to a police representativ
Re:Whatsa matter? (Score:1)
Let's see... about 13 seconds ago. Maybe less.
Just the obvious reasons (Score:3, Informative)
Banks... need I explain?
Cell phone companies... how much easier could it be to get someone's records?
While many companies don't use the phone number as an "end-all form of identification," unfortunately, too many of them use it as a first line of ID.
Re:Just the obvious reasons (Score:2)
its not about friends (Score:2, Insightful)
People screwing with their friends isnt a reason to even care i agree.
Re:Whatsa matter? (Score:2)
It happens all the time on common voice mail setups. A certain major "orange" nationwide American cellular carrier's voicemail system, at least in my area, authenticates by caller ID. Unless the user has set a PIN and has set the system to ask for that PIN every time, caller ID spoofing will allow access to their voicemail. Most people don't even know this setting exists, and on this carrier's voicemail setup, it's not easy to
Re:Whatsa matter? (Score:2)
I would imagine that this is somewhat more secure, since both your phone and their voicemail system are on their network. When they authenticate using caller ID, they also have your mobile phone's unique identifier that is used for billing, and so they can guarantee that you are who you claim to be. Caller ID spoofing will not work there.
Re:Whatsa matter? (Score:2)
Furthermore, your on-network conjecture is false. There is no guarantee that I, or any other customer of said wireless company, is on that company's own GSM network. A customer could be roaming on a competit
Re:Whatsa matter? (Score:2, Interesting)
Basically it allows the unscrupulous telemarketers an out.. they can't be traced! The fax doesnt have anyone's name on it, the company who their promoting "claims" to never have heard of them... all the while they're getting paid.
Re:Whatsa matter? (Score:2)
I'm not paranoid because I shred everything with my name/address/account info on it before I put it in the trash. Before starting that practice, I had 3 different accounts at two different residences opened and abused before I even knew about them.
Re:Whatsa matter? (Score:2)
Caller ID is a paid service. The telcos make millions a month selling that and other "services", all of which come with the switching equipment, it costs them nothing to give it to you, but they get paid by you. It might be bundled but it is never free. One way or another they are getting paid.
Now it is found to be unreliable. It turns out the telcos have an insecure system. They've known about it for years, they haven't done anything whatsoever to secure it, and they
Caller ID for Caller ID blocking for Caller ID (Score:3, Interesting)
BTW there was an issue of 2600 with a great CID\ANI spoofing article. I think it was winter 2004.
Re:Caller ID for Caller ID blocking for Caller ID (Score:2)
Re:Caller ID for Caller ID blocking for Caller ID (Score:2)
I have a GSM phone, so I just dial #31# before the number.
It's fun to mess with my friends by showing up as "private"
Re:Caller ID for Caller ID blocking for Caller ID (Score:2)
You might wind up blocking calls from your doctor or psychotherapist.
Re:Caller ID for Caller ID blocking for Caller ID (Score:2)
Re:Caller ID for Caller ID blocking for Caller ID (Score:2)
Caller ID spoofing is just wrong, just plain wrong (Score:2)
Pretty soon, I'm going to have to toss out my lying cell too?
Ya know, just because you CAN do something doesn't mean its a good idea.
Re:Caller ID for Caller ID blocking for Caller ID (Score:2, Interesting)
As a Canadian who write telephony software for a living I can assure you that it is not true.
Re:Caller ID for Caller ID blocking for Caller ID (Score:2)
Re:Caller ID for Caller ID blocking for Caller ID (Score:2)
Re:Caller ID for Caller ID blocking for Caller ID (Score:2)
Re:Caller ID for Caller ID blocking for Caller ID (Score:2)
Re:Caller ID for Caller ID blocking for Caller ID (Score:2)
Re:Caller ID for Caller ID blocking for Caller ID (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
Scream! (Score:2)
I've been waiting years for Scream: Home Edition!
I hope (Score:2)
Re:I hope (Score:1)
For example:
I don't morally object to running in to the White House naked...I'd just rather not get caught.
Re:I hope (Score:2)
It's a terrible reason, because anyone can justify anything by saying "well, it was the right thing to do."
Note the emphasis on anyone. Some of the worst crimes in history have been perpetrated because it was the "right thing" to do.
There is no such thing as an 'absolute' moral. All morals are relative and as such, the "rightness" of any action is relative.
Relying on people's moral compass to guide their actions is an inv
Re:I hope (Score:2)
Re:I hope (Score:2)
Good point. It's funny how our own empathy towards people with disabilities does not generally extend to those that do not have empathy themselves. Is that ironic, or has Alanis Morissette forever taken away my ability to use
Not really... (Score:3, Interesting)
More information about CLI @ http://www.ainslie.org.uk/callerid/cli_faq.htm [ainslie.org.uk]
Re:Not really... (Score:2)
Re:Not really... (Score:3, Informative)
No, ANI and CID exist totally separate from one another. ANI is keyed directly to your circuit ID and is utterly beyond your reach there at the end of the pipe, be it POTS, ISDN, T1, or whatever. ANI is used for billing, and is basis for what law
Re:Not really... (Score:2)
When the callee's carrier receives the call, it does a database lookup to find the name associated with the caller's number. If the caller's and the callee's providers don't share their CID name databases with each other, then the name field is populated with "Unknown", "Out of State", "Michigan Call", etc.
Re:Not really... (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Not really... (Score:2)
I honestly don't know enough about telephone systems to know if we're talking about the same thing, I've just dealt with these things managing our Cisco voip setup at work.
Re:Not really... (Score:3, Funny)
"WHO IS THIS?"
"Your wife is pretty...."
lol...
Re:Not really... (Score:2, Informative)
As is discussed here [verizonfears.com].
Re:Where is my ANI? (Score:2)
Caller ID Blocking Already Exists *67 (Score:1)
Phone people incompatible with security (Score:2)
Why is it that the computer world understands the concept of not trusting a remote node, but phone people cannot understand this?
Hmm...of course, then again, there's the invisibility-inducing dollar sign at the end of Microsoft's administrative shares...sigh.
Bender (Score:1)
Re:Bender (Score:2)
Calling Card (Score:1)
Sound like a 16 yo girl! (Score:2)
CNBC is running a story on this (Score:2, Interesting)
Incidently, "On the Money" broke the story about the cell phone records for sale on the net. They did not drop the story until Con
Re:CNBC is running a story on this (Score:2)
This shit only becomes a problem when someone with the authority to fix it gets effected.
If Politicians and Captains of Industry had their own special privacy laws, the rest of us would get shit.
Re:CNBC is running a story on this (Score:2)
Re:CNBC is running a story on this (Score:2)
If they make it illegal to change the CID, I hope they are going to dedicate a ton of cash to making sure it's enforced. Otherwise it'll just be another bullshit law that most people ignore.
If they added an 'intent to deceive' clause, I'd be happy. What you describe is perfectly fine, but someone spoofing MBNA is probably up to no good.
The real question is : what happens to wire taps ? (Score:1)
Re:The real question is : what happens to wire tap (Score:2)
Re:The real question is : what happens to wire tap (Score:2)
Gangbang gramma! Bananarama!
Re:The real question is : what happens to wire tap (Score:2)
Caller ID is really little more than a "toy" service, designed for the convenience of consumers. All the real call identification-- such as for billing, or wiretaps, or traces-- is via the ANI (Automatic Number Identification) system. ANI is completely separate from the Caller ID system, and is linked directly to your circuit ID rather than being defined by t
Re:The real question is : what happens to wire tap (Score:2)
Re:The real question is : what happens to wire tap (Score:2)
Yeah, I've seen that too. Thing is, the whole thing is keyed to the circuit ID, which is usually a physical port at the CO. The rest is just database links. If dialing the number
This might lower the value of caller ID... (Score:2, Insightful)
I don't have caller ID, but I have a friend who does and loves it -- it is even set to display on the TVs, so they know if they want to pause TV/Movie "X" and answer the phone. They also don't answer an unidentified caller very often, which nixes most calls from phone sales comapanies -- and I would be willing to wager a few $$ that these companies would be more than willing to use the technology to get you to answer the phone. Same goes for people attempting to defraud the elderly and disabled.
However,
Opposite sex (Score:3, Funny)
And may I ask why this would be of interest to Slashdotters?
Oops, gotta go, my girlfriend's calling.
Spoof away - I still screen my calls, do you? (Score:3, Interesting)
I know it may seem a bit obnoxious, but I am the one paying the bill and it would seem to me that the phone is for my convience, not someone elses.
Re:Spoof away - I still screen my calls, do you? (Score:2)
If you're in the USA, I assume you're already on the national do-not-call list. Past that, if you want a solution, answer the phone, and just tell them before they even get started, "please put me on the do not call list." Really, it's as simple as that. Just repeat the magic phrase, and telemarketing calls will dry up. I did
Re:Spoof away - I still screen my calls, do you? (Score:3, Interesting)
These are immune from calling list rules. In any case, I am amazed you spent 6 months of agro to solve a problem you could have solved for $100 with this:
http://www.privacycorps.com/products/?id=20 [privacycorps.com]
What's it worth not to have to go over and look at the caller ID, or getting a call in the middle of the night and having it be a farking fax machine?
This device lets you program an action for each phone number. Perhaps the coolest thing is that you can program
Whitelisting (Score:2)
Of course, you don't have to be black and white -- you can have devices that trust things increasingly more (this person can leave a message, this person cause your phone to ring, etc), and the whitelists don't have to be manually created.
I expect that making this sort of functionality easily usable to the typical consumer i
Re:Spoof away - I still screen my calls, do you? (Score:2)
I don't know about that, but telling them to put me on the do-not-call list seems to work. Sure, I could screw around with caller ID solution, but I think it's much better to not have the phone ring at all. I can't even remember my last telemarketing/survey call. I'd say it's been years, but I'm sure there's something I'm not remembering. But it's so infrequent that it's effectively zero. I pick up the phone completely without fear.
I suppose it's useful if you ha
Re:Spoof away - I still screen my calls, do you? (Score:2)
That is what this box does.. you wire it first in the phone line, and all other phones plug into it..
[OT] Your sig... (Score:2)
Because this is exactly what your sig's post brings: a man that was arrested for inciting racial hatred -- causing a lot of deaths in the process, because every time the neo-nazis come out of the closet they bring with them their personal "final solution", and you know it.
Re:[OT] Your sig... (Score:2)
There is a huge difference between inciting a panic in a crowded space, and having the thought police arrest someone for thinking the wrong thoughts.
Because this is exactly what your sig's post brings: a man that was arrested for inciting racial hatred -- causing a lot of deaths in the process, because every time the neo-nazis come out o
Re:Spoof away - I still screen my calls, do you? (Score:2)
Re:Spoof away - I still screen my calls, do you? (Score:2)
There was a time when the phone rang and you answered it because it was somebody you actually wanted to talk to. How times have changed.
Unless I'm absolutely sure of the phone number
Re:Spoof away - I still screen my calls, do you? (Score:2)
Re: Spoof away - I still screen my calls, do you? (Score:2)
But then, I'm not in the US. Here in the UK it's illegal [tpsonline.org.uk] to make unsolicited direct marketing calls to people who've registered with the Telephone Preference Service. (There's a corresponding service [fpsonline.org.uk] for faxes, too.)
I'm registered, and it works! I get unwanted calls only every few months. (Where they're from the UK, the very mention of the TPS normally causes them to ring off. Though I did have a nice discussion with one local company who'd clear
secure? (Score:1)
Re:secure? (Score:2)
If you're expecting a call, answer the phone.
Otherwise, I'll just let it ring and check later to see who it was.
But yea, how does your TV have Caller ID and where can I get mine? Is it free?
Re:secure? (Score:2)
http://www.sasktel.com/ [sasktel.com] will tell y
FCC wants to know who uses these services (Score:2)
I suspect they'll target more of these kinds of services, so you're probably safest setting up your own PBX at home.
OLD NEWS (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:OLD NEWS (Score:2)
Enjoy It While You Can (Score:2, Funny)
Bah, encrypt and authenticate everything (Score:2)
Of course, that would piss the FBI off to no end, and be illegal, but it would solve the problem.
Of course, since this would require a digital connection, it'd probably be easier to just use VoIP than to run everything through a modem.
Something like this [slashdot.org].
Re:Bah, encrypt and authenticate everything (Score:2)
Re:Bah, encrypt and authenticate everything (Score:2)
Re:Bah, encrypt and authenticate everything (Score:2)
This is disappointing (Score:2, Insightful)
I hope the publicity doesn't curtial legitimate uses.
For instance, more than a few doctor's offices use caller ID spoofing to have call centers call patients to confirm / remind appointments.
These calls are legitmate, authorized in writing by patients, and spoofing is an integral part of doing the service. Patients tend to answer West Main Clinic (who is responsible for hiring the contractor), rather than ABC Call Services. Also, calling ABC Call Services to reschedule is usless as they can't make/cha
Re:This is disappointing (Score:2)
Let me guess. That written authorization comes somewhere on the two page "privacy policy" that ends with the phrase:
We may change this policy at any time without your consent.
I hand them my privacy policy instead.
The city of Saint Paul does it! (Score:2)
They could have just left the snow plow hotline.
SS7 and Telco sanitising of CIDs? (Score:2)
I thought that here in Australia (with Telstra at least), a badly configured CID would not get passed onto the called party...
Re:SS7 and Telco sanitising of CIDs? (Score:3, Informative)
Businesses who legitimately want to send a different number to the number of the line can request it, but you have to own both numbers.
gotcha (Score:2)
I wonder... (Score:2)
GEE. This sounds like it's a trap from the Feds if you use this calling card stuff.
Some dummy stalker uses this card for a callerID spoof and voice change, calls his victim... 3 hours later the cops show up. Nice.