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Mini-ITX Computing For Everyone 259
An anonymous reader writes "So you have decided that you want an ITX system. Whether it's just to look cool or because you need to reclaim the desk space. Most people wouldn't know where to start when creating their system. Fear no more because XYZComputing.com has created a step by step process on how they created their system. Based on an MII10000 and using a USB Pen to load up Puppy Linux. No details are omitted so if you are new to Mini-ITX and do not have a clue what you need or where to start then this would certainly be a good place to start."
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Wouldn't have been a problem - the current admin has upped the allowable amount of detail emissions.
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Anybody know what type of censors they're using?
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Or perhaps an LER. [jargon.net]
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Because my internet connection is fiber-optic, I guess I won't be able to RTFA then
Sell your detail credits here! (Score:2)
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Just give up. It's cool to be stoopid and some intentionally mispell just as a form of trolling - then they can always claim "I knew it was wrong, and did it just to make you reply! Hahahahaha, moron!"
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Oh dear, that's all the world needs, for Slashdot to be mistaken for a grammar and usage guide.
"...at least highlight or otherwise indicate the words which are wrong."The way to do this is with the word "sic" in parenthesis next to the misused or misspelled word. That's basically Latin for "Don't blame me, this is how I found it". Of course if they really did this wherever needed it would double the length of the front page.
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No details are emitted? (Score:4, Funny)
seems like a lot of work (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:seems like a lot of work (Score:5, Insightful)
Some of us don't see assembling a computer as work -- we see it as play.
DIY -- scratching the itch -- is the very spirit of Linux.
Re:seems like a lot of work (Score:2)
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anyways, problem with mini-itx tends to be just the one mentioned: you can get a shuttle type of machine for cheaper and end up with a faster machine to boot and end up with something just as cool looking. I'd like to play around with one but at the current price/performance i'm not going to pay for a toy that's slow and premium priced. even mini-itx cases are premium priced(even crap looking mini
Re:seems like a lot of work (Score:5, Interesting)
Put all this together, and I can hide the server in a closet and forget about it. Just need a power drop and two network connections.
Re:seems like a lot of work (Score:4, Funny)
Go ahead, post the link to your server on slashdot. I double dog dare ya.
Re:seems like a lot of work (Score:2)
Yea mini-itx boxen are great, I've got my fair share of them. My only wonder/complaint is when the hell is the nano-itx coming out? I've seen photos of it for a year now and I keep getting promised the damn thing is coming. If anyone knows when they are going to be officially released, please reply with that info. With a form factor as small as the nano has claimed to be, I've already got plans to buy about 5 of them for various functionality throughou
Ugh... replying to myself (Score:2)
Regards,
Steve
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Re:seems like a lot of work (Score:2)
Do you have a list someplace of the components in your box/how you put it together? I'd be interested in taking a look. Maybe it'd be worth my time and money to put a nice home server together that'd be quieter and less power hungry.
Re:seems like a lot of work (Score:4, Interesting)
I'd like to say I had a good reason for only putting a 256MB DIMM on the board, but the truth is I had a 256MB DIMM harvested from another machine upgrade lying around, so I didn't even shop for something larger. There is only one DIMM slot on the board though.
Since that board has only one network interface, the lone PCI slot on the machine has another network card in it. I seem to remember that the motherboard had some problems with many PCI NICs, I had to shuffle through a few before finding one that worked.
The hard disks are samsung spinpoint V series 160GB drives which are raid mirrors of one another. Each drive is on a separate IDE cable (the Linux RAID HOWTO said that putting both drives on the same IDE cable was a sure way to kill performance). I'm sure someone out there is incredulous with the meager storage I have, but to be fair when I built the machine a couple years ago, 160GB was a fair sized drive and I haven't filled the drive up anyway.
It has an old CD-ROM I had lying around attached to it, but I don't think it has been used since the OS was installed.
The power supply I got from mini-box.com I believe. It has two parts: one that looks like a laptop power supply and another that attaches to the mini-itx board.
The server is running Gentoo Linux. I have several machines pick up and do a distcc to help the poor server through the big compiles. I've got my own set of iptables running as well as dhcpd, samba, apache2, tomcat, exim, sshd, courier-imap, postgres and named. Sadly, uptime right now is only 111 days. Every so often I want to download the latest Fedora Core, Knoppix, MAME ROMs or whatever and I'll use the server to do that as well (soaks a lot of CPU cycles to do bit torrent though). It's cheaper to have the server download the latest fedora DVDs than to leave one of my bigger machines on overnight.
The only thing it's not doing anymore is print serving. Although it could, the printer is doing fine attached to another box right now.
Re:seems like a lot of work (Score:5, Informative)
I have one of these (MII12000 in fact) - idle draw is less than 20W - a dim bulb.
Power efficient, cool, quiet, small, but not very fast.
Pick the right tool for the job - in my case a PVR.
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wow (Score:2)
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No, he's saving all his "than"s to use when he should be using "from" (as in different from). :-)
The Previous Comments (Score:2, Funny)
Oh oh, the next fad (Score:2)
In Soviet Russia, emissions detail YOU.
Re:The Previous Comments (Score:2)
Hehe. What's funnier is when you see a story with 10 or so comments (modded up, of course) bitching about it being a dupe. They never realize that they're not better at spotting dupes than the Slashdot editors are.
Re:Typo (Score:3, Funny)
I believe there's a typo in the summary. Obviously the submitter meant to say that it'd be a bad place for a beginner to start.
Easier process (Score:5, Insightful)
click on Mac Mini
click "Buy".
I have messed around with the Mini-ITX's for a couple years. The Mini-ITX and the VIA C3 processors they use were way ahead of their time in low power/heat small sized computers. But, the Mac Mini did a big leap frog over the Mini-ITX boxes. It's smaller, cheaper, and faster than any of VIA's offerings - not to mention all the included software, and it looks better than any of the ITX options. If you must have x86, Mini-ITX is a good option. If not, save some headaches & pick up a Mac Mini.
VIA announced the Nano-ITX a LONG time ago, but have thus far failed to deliver anything.. The Nano-ITX might offer some interesting possibilities. But, at this point I think there is little chance of them actually shipping it.
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Sounds like a win-win to me.
Maybe you could buy him a console and a Mac Mini.
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Absolutely! And one of the other reasons I prefer Windows is that there are some great development tools available. All your favorite GNU stuff, plus Microsoft Visual Studio .NET which is the best IDE I've ever seen/used. Even though I've been a Mac developer in the past, it's obvious to me that Microsoft cares more about third-party developers.
So for a platform to learn computer programming on, Windows with Visual Studio .NET 2005
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Which games? (Score:2)
Besides, with a Mac mini you can give the kid an account where he can't screw over the system unlike a PC which pretty much requires him to be an admin - unless he's not going to play games, which you said was the point of the thing.
The day of the PC dominating the game scene is over, it's a console world going forward. Especially so for teens.
Re:Easier process (Score:2)
And then your kid can happyly play, um, asteroids, and um, breakout, and super breakout, ah, um, and, um that other one...
Ah well, just using the Mac is so much fun, who needs games anyway ? Just have him read man pages and learn Python, at least he'll do something useful with his time.
Re:Easier process (Score:2)
What the Mini really, *really* needs is video out, and maybe surround sound. It's almost perfect for using as a home theatre device, but lacks video out and surround sound. If Apple could add
Re:Easier process (Score:4, Informative)
Or, get an HDTV, many/most have DVI and/or VGA inputs. Mine has both, and the Mini looks great in 720P HDTV.
But, you're right about the audio. It only does analog stereo output. You need a USB audio adapter to get Dolby Digital surround output.
Also, it would have a great HTPC, if Apple opened APIs for the MPEG2 acceleration hardware onboard. With that, it would be capable of HDTV video playback. Without that acceleration, it's not fast enough to keep up with 1080i video.
Serious number crunching (Score:2)
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I looked into a lot of these back when I was building Mini-ITX boxes. There were several more powerful options (e.g. mini-itx form factor, socketed for Pentium M), but, any time I would find a reseller willing to talk to me they would want $500+ for just the motherboard in small quantities. Small volumes are apparently not worth the effort for those guys.
Re:Easier process (Score:5, Informative)
http://discussions.info.apple.com/webx?14@33.9SkZ
(Why does
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I love the mini form factor but a 1.2 GHz G4?
What will it be like in year?
I used to love the macs for their longevity - seemed like they were usable for years longer than PCs... Just don't see it with this chip. I wonder what they will have when they go to intel processors - would love to see a mini with an AMD64 chip
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Presumably in a year it will be like it is today...
If you buy a machine based on that CPU for processing power, you picked the wrong box to begin with.
I picked an iBook (1.2 GHz G4) instead of the x86 I usually go with because it was cheaper (although less powerful, which was completely irrelevant to me) and more adapted to my use. In a year, it will still be adapted to what I do. Likewise in two years when I might start looking for
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I was really looking forward to running my home servers on Mini-ITX boards. Then the Mini came out and almost every enticing feature of the Mini-ITX platform (for home use) was instantly overshadowed.
Power Tie, at 10W-20W for the entire system.
The other power The C3 Nehemiah is decent at integer math for its clock speed and power usage, but sucks at floating point. Google some benchmarks for more information. For a server, that's generally not a terrible problem, but it makes the Mini more flexible in the ways it can be used.
Price I can get a new mini at under $500 shipped direct from Apple, with a hard drive, CD-burner, memory, case, latest commercial software. Good Mini-ITX cases cost well over $100 just because the market is small. A recent Mini-ITX board is $200-$300. No, don't use the price of an original Epia, which can't hold a candle to a Celeron 400, not to mention a 1.25GHz G4. Don't use the price of a full-size cheapo ATX case, cause that's not a fair comparison. Then add storage, RAM, etc. Even after spending all that (easily $500-$700 for a system that can even attempt to rival a low-end Mini in terms of performance), you don't get...
Support Apple has legendary customer support (look at, say, Consumer Reports and their customer support comparisons). Via might not be terrible, but they'll only help you with the mainboard, not the components, nor integration.
Linux I haven't checked in the last few months, but I'd wager that the Mini has better Linux support for its embedded hardware overall. EPIA drivers have a history of being shakey. See also the stability problems below, if you're thinking of going with an older, cheaper board. I loaded Debian-PPC on my Mini and everything just worked. Granted I don't use Airport Express (which as far as I know still doesn't work) and the Mac's onboard hardware monitoring chip isn't easy to configure with lm-sensors, but nothing that I really needed required special drivers.
Tinkering If you insist on building things yourself, then the Epia wins here. Keep in mind, however, that you can open a Mini and make minor changes (like adding RAM) without voiding your warranty.
Expansion Be careful if you think the Epia wins here. Some boards claim to support up to 2 PCI cards, but they are plagued with DMA problems. Notice that the newest Epia SP has dropped claims of such support. The problem crops up while sending large amounts of traffic to a hard drive and PCI card at the same time, or Ethernet port and hard drive, etc. and it will tank the machine. This is a known problem apparently resulting from a slow interconnect between the North and South bridges. Via's official forums (www.viaarena.com) has threads about this issue. To be fair, the CN400 chipset has a much faster interconnect, so problems might be alleviated. As for the Mini, most peripherals and add-ons will support one or more of USB and Firewire, so there's not a big problem. Video capture may or may not be a problem (are there Linux-friendly Firewire video capture devices?), since I haven't looked into that at all.
Apple stickers Bundled with the Mini! =P
The Epia is often used to build car-puters, whereas I haven't yet heard of something using a Mini for that purpose. If you have a particular PCI card you must use, that might be a reason to go Epia. Aside from those reasons, the Mini is a better deal and probably more capable.
Re:Easier process (Score:5, Informative)
I haven't been tracking this use, but I've seen several forum posts and several web sites around puting a Mac mini into cars. Heck, just put "Mac mini auto" into Google and you'll find a few of them. There are at least two companies offering add-ons, one sells a dock to put the computer in and pull it, and another is a DC power supply rather than using an AC inverter then the power brick.
Re:Easier process (Score:4, Informative)
Whilst it's probably not exactly what you were thinking of, there is always Team Banzai's [gobanzai.com] DARPA Grand Challenge entry, Dora, powered by three Mac Mini computers [slashdot.org]
Re:Easier process (Score:2)
There you go. [mp3car.com] See the entire thread.
Re:Easier process (Score:2)
that cpu is a bit anemic. i've been fighting to keep from buying one of these things for myself (bought one for my mother and brother). that cpu is a wimp compared to other things on the market
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Whether it's powerful enough is really a question about what you want to use the system for. I really have not had any problems with the performance. But, I'm not a gamer, which seems to drive CPU requ
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I'd go one step further and say that if you must have x86, wait until next year when there will be x86 based Minis. Apple pretty much owns this space right now. Heck, if you don't want to buy Apple products, then wait until after the x86 Minis come out and competitors have to either have comparible boards or substantially cut prices. It's all good.
Re:Easier process (Score:5, Interesting)
You can still beat the Mac Mini price by well over $100 if you piece together a mini-ITX system with similar specs, but the Mac will have a much more powerful CPU and GPU. If you don't need the extra CPU and GPU power then the cost savings may make the mini-ITX a better solution.
I've used mini-ITX systems in several applications, webservers, firewalls, wifi access points, etc., but I will definitely consider the Mac Mini hardware in future projects that may need more oompf. Especially since it appears it is quite easy to install linux over the top of OSX. While OSX is a nice OS (works great on my dual 1GHz G4) but it would waste resources on a headless box.
burnin
Re:If you must have x86 (Score:3, Informative)
Not on a Mini!
I've tried VPC on my iBook (1.2GHz, same specs as a Mini) and it's just horrible, an abomination. On a fast Mac, you're good to go, but never a Mini.
How stable is it? (Score:5, Interesting)
The other thing I'd love to know is if it can do full screen, high res divx in linux, or if there's a mini itx case that can. I figure most of these boards aren't going to run an accelerated X, but I haven't done enough research yet.
Re:How stable is it? (Score:2)
Unlike the AMD/Intel motherboards you refer to, VIA has pretty tight design control over these boards as they make them internally for the large part- many of the manufacturers, Soyo included, tend to play with the parameters and step into the marginal operation territory, causing
mATX ITX (Score:5, Interesting)
IMHO, ITX is better suited for embedded systems, not a more general purpose computer. Unless you have a very specific, limited use (like a MythTV frontend), you'll almost always be better served getting an mATX-based system.
As with everything, YMMV.
the fine print (Score:5, Interesting)
With a few additions, like a hard drive and optical drive, a computer like this one could easily be a great work computer.
Not exactly a ringing endorsement....
Dying a slow death? (Score:5, Informative)
The Nano-ITX's were supposed to be the next big thing. The Nano boards would be around 4.5" square, with SATA...etc. From what I can remember, it sounded like a great little board. For the first year after they were announced Nano-ITXs were shown at the various tech trade shows. This year, I can't remember hearing about them at all.
It's been long enough without a Nano-itx release that I'm starting to think that Nano-itx boards are vaporware and taking with it the rest of the VIA epia line.
Re:Dying a slow death? (Score:2)
Re:Dying a slow death? (Score:2)
Here's at least one: http://www.mp3car.com/store/product_info.php?prod
Just google for "Epia N"
Disapointed by the old Epia-M (@933) (Score:4, Interesting)
It took my 3 tries to get Windows up and running (correct steps are 1- update BIOS, 2- Install Windows, 3-Install drivers, 4- Windows Update a few times), while keeping your fingers crossed.
It hangs while lauching powerDVD and WinDVD, and VLC is too jerky to use (at 640x480x32@75)
I checked, it still costs 2 to 3 times more than a regular MATX board+proc, for about 1/2 to 1/4 the power. Plus, cases are VERY expensive if you want something that look nice, plus a low profile DVD reader/writer (check www.mini-itx.com).
It's kind of cool to have, and makes a nice conversation piece for all my nerd friends, but usage value is very low. I don't think I could make any kind of server of it. Maybe a router, a basic Windows Office PC, or a linux experimentation platform (but drivers are an issue).
It IS incredibly small, very silent, and does work.
Budget Breakdown (Score:5, Informative)
$220 ITX mobo, 1Ghz VIA C3 processor
$139 Silverstone case
$95 OCZ 512Mb DDR RAM
$45 Flash Voyager 512Mb pen drive
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$499 Total
Note the project breakdown as listed in the article does not include a hard drive, optical drive, monitor, kbd, mouse, etc. Just the CPU.
That is fuxxing insane. Mac Minis start at $499, come assembled, includes a 1.25Ghz G4 processor, optical drive (CD-R/DVD-ROM), 512Mb RAM, internal modem, and a 40Gb hard drive with OS X and iLife software preinstalled.
Either the ITX project builder is goddam insane for building such a ridiculously expensive, low spec machine, or Apple is goddam insane for selling such a powerful machine for almost nothing. Or both.
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I remember when they used to say that about Macs.
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Yes, but owning a Mac mini is more likely to *get* you banged.
Re:Budget Breakdown (Score:2, Funny)
Getting laid by a mac-loving woman just seems weird, a little like some trotskyite chick who sells newspapers on the mall.
Re:Budget Breakdown (Score:3, Interesting)
nano-ITX (Score:5, Informative)
Silverstone says they are retooling to make new LC08 (and LC07) cases to accomodate the nano-ITX board, and I'm waiting impatiently. Sadly, what was originally to be a fanless design won't be anymore, with Silverstone's new case: Via didn't like Silverstone's heat pipe instead of a fan, and nixed the idea for the retooled case, not giving it the "nano-ITX" moniker blessing if it didn't support a fan.
Why not just use a mini-ITX?
Two words: CN400 and VT1625.
The CN400 is an HDTV resolution equivalent to the old CLE266 MPEG2 decoder chip, and the VT1625 is an HDTV resolution RGB to YPbPr (i.e. component) encoder.
MythTV with hardware-assisted HDTV MPEG2 decoding on a fanless thin clint would have been 'da bomb'! (Well, O.K. "fanless" is starting to become a matter of opinion and "do I dare not hook it up and hack a heatpipe?", but still.)
There are miniITX boards with the CN400 (Commell makes one), and there are fanless mini-ITX solutions (Hush PC makes one, heatpipe-based, but alas it won't accomodate the Commell board, and is as expensive as it is good looking), but the two sets don't yet intersect, which is why I was pinning my hopes on the nano-ITX board.
There are already patches to CLE266 and VT1623 drivers to accomodate the CN400 and VT1625, so Myth on the thing looks like a slam-dunk.
I've already got the nano-ITX board, and an (early, and therefore useless) LC08 case, so, despite the fan issue, I'm likely to go ahead and build the thing (nano-ITX, 512MB RAM, trayless DVD-ROM, hard drive/flash disk), anyway, having spent $400 for the nano-ITX board, $175 for the DVD-ROM, and whatever the RAM cost (I had a spare drive) once I get an updated LC-08 case.
Re:nano-ITX (Score:2)
But, you're right, the MPEG2 decoder in the CN400 would make a great MythTV frontend. If the Nano ever sees the light of day, and the mythtv compatibility seems good, I might pick one up.
It's a damn shame Apple doesn't open APIs to their MPEG2 acceleration in the Radeon display chip in the Mac Mini
Re:nano-ITX (Score:2)
Nano-ITX in-stock here (Score:3, Informative)
The fine folks at Damn Small Linux also have a Nano-ITX system. [damnsmalllinux.org] There are several versions of the machine at the bottom of this page. [damnsmalllinux.org]
Looks like I gotta stop calling it "Nano-ITX Forever"
Re:nano-ITX (Score:3, Informative)
Not only is it incorrect (Pb and Pr are not Blue and Red, but the difference between Y and Blue or Red), but also there is no reference mentioned. "better color detail". Better han what? Composite?
Here in Europe, every TV has one or more 21-pin SCART connectors. These provide at least audio and composite video, but usually also S-video and/or RGB inputs (when the TV has more than one SCART connector, they usually are not all RGB-enabled
Why boot off of a Compact Flash? (Score:2)
Mostly I've used netboot to run classrooms where the won't let me instll Linux or Unix for the students. I've also started using it at home to boot old boxes with limited drives, or where I'm too lazy to do a full install.
Spellign on Slahsdot (Score:3, Funny)
1. The editors are shielding themselves from liability by not changing submitted stories in any fashion whatsoever. Similar to the way that comments are never deleted or modified, only moderated down.
2. They're deliberate troll-food. Slashdot seems to have more than its fair share of grammar/spelling Nazis, and the occasional error is an easy way to throw them a bone. Trolls are happiest trolling, and they generate hits just like the rest of us. I think sometimes that dupe stories are the same thing.
P.S. Since I mentioned the spelling/grammar Nazis, I'm sure you (you know who you are) are looking at this psot very carefully. The question is, did I really make an error or am I just demonstrating #2 above?
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A missing howto (Score:2)
I tried google, but the only thing I could find either could only power 1-2 or they want a bulk order of 500.
Another irritating site (Score:2, Insightful)
My (negative) experience with mini-itx (Score:2, Interesting)
Why no Cappuccino? (Score:2)
Someone needs to come up with an ad-blocker... (Score:5, Insightful)
I also can't imagine that any of the clicks [robert.to] the advertisers get [intel.com] are legit. It's probably mostly accidental [blogspot.com] clicks as people are navigating around [stanford.edu].
Of course, the best thing would be to encourage people [blogspot.com] to make their sites a little more user-friendly [rotten.com] with more than a few words of text [snopes.com] on each page. But barring that, some form of ad blocker [microsoft.com] that finds and kills these things would be a good idea. Maybe someone can write one for Firefox [rnc.org] and Internet Explorer? [well.com]
it's a shame (Score:3, Interesting)
Apple, meanwhile, has grabbed the small, quiet desktop market with the Mac Mini, which is a beautiful piece of hardware, but is a bit limited in terms of software (pretty much OS X, since Linux isn't all that well supported).
Let's hope that Apple will come out with a Mac Mini/86, and that other PC vendors will clone the concept quickly. 640k may not be all you need, but a quart-sized PC ought to be all you need.
Re:it's a shame (Score:2)
What other differences are there between an ITX system and the Mac Mini?
Via & Linux - A Battle of Wills (Score:5, Informative)
I've used Debian as my primary OS, and the 2.6 kernel tree. Overall, everything seems to work quite well. The NIC has no problems of note. The soundcard was a snap. The I2C bus has been ignored, since I don't need any of it, but from what I read, there are (quite) a few problems with it's implementation & support under Linux. Their "padlock" features are for naught. Hardware random number gen has issues prior to (as best I can determine) 2.6.10, as in, "not bloody supported without a BIOS patch".
The main problem I have run into is with the graphics. Support for the unichrome graphics chipset is just plain AWFUL. Via claims "open source!", but all they have done is swipe the code from the OSS unichrome (reverse engineered) project, and incorporate it into a nightmarish install system which REQUIRES very specific versions of the kernel (both 2.6 and 2.4), running on very specific distros, Red Hat, Fedora, SuSE. There is *nothing* available as a raw tarball (at least nothing as far as I can tell). You must run VERY specific versions of X.org, and or XFree86, and these drivers are available ONLY as binary modules, more or less, the unichrome chipset is unsupported.
Re:Why not an Apple Mini? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:My first post ever (Score:5, Funny)
We liked you better before ;)
Re:My first post ever (Score:3, Funny)
I finally registered after being an AC for years!"
Just think, if you'd only waited a little while longer you could have gotten that "one Millionth User" ID number.