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100Mbps Home Internet Service Next Year in Finland
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timothy
on Wed Jul 20, 2005 07:08 PM
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from the helluva-commute dept.
Listen Up writes "According to an article on CNN, broadband Internet access via cable modems in Finland will be able to hit 100 Mbps as early as 2006. That would be 50 times faster than the average broadband speeds now offered to cable TV homes in Finland. Do you think this technology has the possibility of reaching U.S. shores? Or do you think the already deeply entrenched U.S. politics are going to keep this technology from ever reaching us? There are already thousands and thousands of miles of 'dark fiber' underground around the U.S."
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What is the (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:What is the (Score:4, Interesting)
(Last Journal: Saturday September 20 2003, @01:55PM)
When you run a 100mbit line to your office, if you only get 90mbit upstream you complain about the SLA being broken.
When you run a 5mbit line to your house, you're lucky if you get
Re:What is the (Score:5, Informative)
I know there are better ways to control the aggregate amount of bandwidth being consumed, but this is a simple way of doing it that is acceptable by a huge percentage of the consumers buying cable or DSL service. Those who really would like to have parity between their down and up speeds are exactly the customers ISPs don't want on residential service. They will lose money on you.
There's nothing evil about that.
(I know the parent poster didn't say they're being evil, but that's the general impression I get on these threads sometimes.)
Re:What is the (Score:5, Insightful)
(http://tsfraser.googlepages.com/index.html)
Motorola is helping Singapore with the same tech (Score:3, Informative)
Nice! (Score:4, Interesting)
why is this news? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:why is this news? (Score:5, Informative)
Of course if you live in a single-broadband-provider city like I do, it's hard to imagine why they'd bother.
Possibility of reaching U.S. shores? (Score:5, Funny)
Dark Fiber (Score:5, Insightful)
Dark Fiber as nothing to do with home broadband. if it were between your house and the ISP, you might have something, but its not. The trick is getting high speed connections where Fiber doesn't exist.
Re:Dark Fiber (Score:5, Informative)
Both DSL and cable internet are provided by way of fiber - its just cheaper to convert to another medium for the "last mile". See Comcast's recent dark fiber aquisition [cmcsk.com].
Re:Completely different scale issues (Score:5, Informative)
Dark fiber... (Score:5, Funny)
(http://www.drgw.net/~nnthayer)
So that's where all the dark matter is.
Obligatory Monty Python (Score:3, Funny)
The country where I want to be
Not fully usable, obviously (Score:5, Informative)
(Last Journal: Wednesday July 06 2005, @10:01PM)
You might suggest that 100Mbps would be great for BitTorrent and the like, but the flaw is that ISP's backbones and peering arrangements are measured in gigabits, not terabits. Even an OC-48 can only take 24 customers maxing out their bandwidth on this system. A big European ISP like Demon only has 2Gbps going into the LINX.. enough for, wow, 20 customers to max out their bandwidth.
The ratio of guaranteed bandwidth to advertised bandwidth on this offering is crazy. Backbones just aren't there yet.
bandwidth cross borders? (Score:4, Insightful)
Meanwhile in japan .... (Score:5, Interesting)
(http://arturovmt.googlepages.com/)
Re:100Mb/s speed (Score:4, Interesting)
The problem is the last mile... (Score:5, Informative)
So what? The problem is not bandwidth in total, it is making the connection to the home to the nearest big fiber point. DSL and cable are popular with ISPs because the cables already go to the customer. Running broadband over a phone line or cable costs next to nothing. The big cost was digging up the street to put in the wire. After that, the operating costs are minimal.
If you go to a big US colocation facility, you will find that a lot of bandwidth is really cheap, because the fiber is already there. If you want a fiber connection to your home, you will have to pay an arm and a leg to put the fiber in the ground.
Wireless ISPs have a big potential advantage since they can avoid the last mile problem.
That's what I'm getting _today_. (Score:5, Interesting)
100 MBit Internet access (both ways) is offered to apartment owners in a number of Swedish towns. This costs about 76 USD a month.
As I said before, I'm too cheap to pay for that, so I'm paying for a throttled version (10 MBit/s) of the same service putting me back about 40 USD a month.
The service has been offered for quite a few years by a company called Bredbandsbolaget [bredband.net]. (The site is in a strange foreign language though. Be warned.)
Skeptical (Score:5, Insightful)
(http://nutsncents.blogspot.com/ | Last Journal: Friday August 08 2003, @07:47PM)
2. I have 6 Mbps cable. I know people within 20-30 miles of me with 8 or 10 Mbps cable. SBC delivers 3 Mbps dsl, and delivered 6 Mbps to a select few quick enough to jump on the deal.
Does anyone else find it hard to believe that they will leapfrog technologies like that? Or, that even once those companies start selling the equipment (the article, after all, quotes an equipment manufacturer, *not* an ISP) that deployment will be instant?
VDSL, VDSL2, and a whole bunch of alphabet soup DSL types exist *right* now, but we don't see them all over the U.S.
Similarly, many American cable companies have switched much of their equipment to DOCSIS 2.0 stuff, but haven't ramped up the speeds yet (not enough backhaul).
Avaliability of equipment != deployment. Rather than idolizing some vaporware Finish deployment, we should be looking at places like S. Korea and Japan, where they've managed 2 and 3 digit broadband speeds (in Mbps) *now*, not some-time-in-the-oh-so-near-future.
I can pull up 100s of articles from SBC's Project Lightspeed, or Verizon's FIOS. Some of them talk about deploying this stuff nationwide in 2003-2004.
But do I have 100 Mbps internet yet? No.
This is a non-article. A fluff piece by an equipment manufacturer. I want to hear more about actual deployments (and they do exist), not about some companies wishful thinking.