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Majority Of Customers Prefer Blu-Ray
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on Fri Jul 15, 2005 07:54 AM
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bonch writes "A poll shows Blu-ray as the preferred choice, as conducted by Penn, Schoen and Berland Associates. Customers were given a side-by-side comparison of HD-DVD and Blu-ray. The results were that 58 percent of the 1,200 polled chose Blu-ray, and 26 percent were undecided. Generally speaking, HD-DVD is preferred by those seeking to reduce manufacturing costs while Blu-ray is preferred by those more interested in features and data storage." Sony's PS3 is to use the Blu-Ray format.
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Uh-huh. (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Uh-huh. (Score:5, Insightful)
(Last Journal: Sunday August 01 2004, @07:25PM)
Get your numbers right (Score:4, Informative)
(http://www.bobpaul.org/userScripts | Last Journal: Thursday February 22 2007, @04:05PM)
No, 5GB isn't that big of a difference. The problem is that in order to do 45GB, HD-DVD's need to use 3 layers, while they were only intended to ever do 2 layers. Yes, they did recently hit 3 layers, but they will probably never get to 4 layers and they will only be sold as 2 layers when they first come out.
Blue Ray was intended, right out of box to get to 8 layers. Right now with 2 layers they're at 50GB. They've already done 4 layers [slashdot.org] (100 GB) and wholey expect to get to the 8 layers in the future. This is a format with room to grow. HD-DVD just BARELY squeezed in 3 layers and still doesn't reach the capacity of a 2 layer Blu-Ray disk.
It's no contest.
200GB > 100GB > 50GB > 45GB > 30GB. (The two at the bottom are 3 and 2 layer HD-DVD respectively)
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How much of it is just the name? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:How much of it is just the name? (Score:5, Insightful)
(http://webcoderplus.com/blog/ | Last Journal: Tuesday November 02 2004, @08:11AM)
I bet whichever format gets more of the "cool stuff" to begin with will more than likely be the format that wins, regardless of the actual technology.
Maybe true, but the capacity is important (Score:5, Interesting)
(http://mysite.verizon.net/tkrotchko/)
So it seems to me if studios favor HD-DVD its because they want to sell us all the movies on HD-DVD, and sell us the movies again on HD-DVD mkII which will have more capacity.
From my narrow perspective, Blu-Ray would make a good medium for backup now that 300-500G hard drives are increasingly common.
Re:Maybe true, but the capacity is important (Score:5, Informative)
(http://on10.net/blogs/benwagg/)
Last week, for a test, I put a 123 minute movie on a DVD-9 using MPEG-2, using the HD DVD format (via Apple's DVD Studio Pro 4). Average of around 8.5 Mbps. Looked pretty darn good at 1920x1080.
HD-DVD gives you 30 GB, and the use of H.264 and VC-1 for codecs. No problem AT ALL sticking "Return of the King Extended Edition" on a single side of HD-DVD. So using codecs that are 2x better and 3x more capacity, yeah, HD-DVD is just fine. Single layer HD-DVD will be fine for the vast majority of films, and even offers more minutes per disc at HD than DVD gives us minutes of SD today.
Re:How much of it is just the name? (Score:5, Insightful)
Now you can get a dual format drive for less than $50 and not have to worry about it.
I'm guessing after a little while we'll see the same thing happen with the new formats and nobody will care which one you're using.
Re:How much of it is just the name? (Score:5, Insightful)
Unfortunately, the plan is to call it a "BD-ROM" or "BD-RAM", depending on rewritability. I can see it now:
CD-ROM
CD-R
CD-RW
DVD-ROM
DVD-R
DVD-RW
DV
DVD+RW
BD-ROM
BD-R
BD-RW
BD+RW
HD-DVD
H
HD-DVD-RW
HD-DVD+RW
I think the plan is to get the consumer to actually pass out when shopping for media. Then, the store clerks will just steal their wallets.
Twikki (Score:5, Funny)
And now Sony will dust off that damn pan-faced robot from "Buck Rogers in the 25th Century" for commercials: "BD BD BD BD BD BD".
Re:How much of it is just the name? (Score:5, Funny)
(Last Journal: Friday February 13 2004, @10:23PM)
Re:How much of it is just the name? (Score:5, Insightful)
(http://www.beosppc.org/)
Re:How much of it is just the name? (Score:5, Insightful)
However, the real reason USB2 was victorious is because it is free technology while Firewire still requires some sort of licensing fee. Hopefully now that Apple and Intel are in bed, they can come to some sort of agreement and 1394 will become a standard PC chipset feature.
Pepsi Challenge (Score:5, Insightful)
Now why is it I think that all side-by-side comparisons can be equated to the Pepsi challenge? Well with a rhetorical question I'll be the one that answers it for you. If you're seeking a certain result you will find it; thus, whatever side-by-side comparison done always seems like a Pepsi challenge whereby the results are skewed by either a deliberate or unconscious malicious act in some way.
Re:Pepsi Challenge (Score:5, Interesting)
(http://slashdot.org/)
History Repeats... (Score:5, Insightful)
This might be one of those cases; HD-DVD seems perfectly capable as a higher capacity DVD; why would people want to pay a premium for a few more features about 10% higher quality?
I'm not so sure about Sony (Score:5, Insightful)
(http://mysite.verizon.net/tkrotchko/)
They certainly haven't learned from their ATRAC experience.
Re:History Repeats... (Score:5, Insightful)
(Last Journal: Saturday March 17 2007, @08:48AM)
For instance, almost everyone I know complains about Southwest Airlines - particularly the dreaded "Cattle Call" seating assignments... yet when push comes to shove (pun) their planes are full of paying passengers and they are the only major airline to post a profit every quarter since 9-11.
From the very start of TFA (Score:5, Insightful)
Shock horror, the Blu-ray guys have come up with a poll that says their product is better. Next story please...
But what do the pornmongers think?` (Score:5, Funny)
Re:But what do the pornmongers think?` (Score:5, Informative)
(http://www.hipersonik.com/)
So if Sony allows porn on the blu-ray, they are at least equal in competition (on that level).
The price will come down with volume, and ps3 will mean volume enough to be competitive
Re:But what do the pornmongers think?` (Score:4, Informative)
(Last Journal: Thursday October 17 2002, @02:53AM)
Sony invented Beta, Philips invented Video2000, both were technically superior to VHS.
Re:But what do the pornmongers think?` (Score:5, Interesting)
(http://slashdot.org/)
Kjella
If it were up to the customers... (Score:5, Insightful)
That survey is good to make people think they're being listened to. They're not.
To be expected (Score:5, Interesting)
It might be an unfounded fear, but I won't know that for at least a year after I get blu ray stuff.
Of course they prefer it. (Score:5, Insightful)
(Last Journal: Friday June 11 2004, @11:15AM)
Not to be confused with... (Score:3, Funny)
Well, I'm convinced (Score:3, Funny)
(Last Journal: Tuesday January 31 2006, @10:53AM)
On second thought, they'll probably all be gone if I wait that long. I'd better swing by during lunch.
Re:the geeks will decide (Score:5, Insightful)
(http://stewart.snerk.org/)
I'd be careful there; with no payments until 200x, no interest equal payments for 24/36 months, etc. you'd be surprised what kind of home theatre Joe Sixpack has in his house. 52" Hi-Def screen, 7.1 digital receiver with pre-amp, 1000w tower mains, 100w sub-woofer, 5-disc DVD player connected with Monster Component video and digital optical audio cables, XBox and PS2 with A/V upgrade pack, RFI filtering power centre, ...
In short Joe Sixpack has a better theatre setup than I do.
Will be obsolete before the dust settles... (Score:3, Interesting)
(http://www.dpbsmith.com/)
As Theotocopulos says in the H. G. Wells movie Things to Come: "Stop this 'progress!' Stop it, I say!"
Feature List (Score:4, Insightful)
Blue Ray (Score:4, Funny)
FYI: Google gives a ration 1:3 for "blue-ray" vs "blu-ray".
Consumers also thought beta was better than VHS (Score:3, Informative)
VHS didnt win because it had a better picture, VHS won because it was less costly.
HD-DVD has better backwards compatibility(hd-DVD players play older DVDs more easily)
Re:Consumers also thought beta was better than VHS (Score:4, Insightful)
What about C3D (Score:5, Interesting)
(http://zlogic.da.ru/)
C3D presented this technology back in 1999 or even earlier, they even had working prototypes.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c
These discs could hold as much as 140 gigabytes of data!
Compared to this, blu-ray looks kind of outdated.
But the company went banckrupt (I think), and now in 2005 we are presented a technology IMHO less advanced than C3D.
Reliability? (Score:4, Insightful)
(Last Journal: Monday February 13 2006, @07:11PM)
Personally, I'm the most interested in a format that can be at least as reliable (preferrably even more) than the DVD-R format. Now that would be something for data archival -- a common format that's reliable as hell. Especially as the storage size keeps increasing, I keep finding this to be an important factor. But for some reason you rarely hear about it in the Blu-ray/HD-DVD debate, but rather just what's more costly. If Blu-ray is more expensive but also clearly more reliable in addition to a greater storage, I'll happily pay at least 50% more for one of those than a HD-DVD.
Looking at history... (Score:3, Funny)
Chris Mattern
Right... (Score:3, Informative)
Both are Stillborn due to Excess DRM. (Score:3, Interesting)
Infintesimally small percentage when you factor in the ultra DRM on these machines that require DRM connections everywhere in the chain or drops back to standard DVD resolution by downsampling.
I would be a prime candidate for next generation disk, I have been completely turned off by DRM overkill. So while at first I was drooling over the possability of HD LOTR goodness, I have completely given up caring as I won't be buying in for the DRM from hell setup.
And you can bet the vast majority of people like my Mom and Grandmother who only have DVD because I bought them one will NEVER swith.
I think it is toast just like the DRMd Super Audio CDs...
It's more expensive, more restrictive, more complicated, but hey you get better quality if you have all the right gear and the planets align.
A torrent to an actual HD DVD disc (Score:4, Interesting)
(http://on10.net/blogs/benwagg/)
I also posted this as a reply, but I figured some non-nested browsers might want to see this as well.
If I could break with Slashdot tradition and post an actual example instead of half-understood innuendo, here's an actual HD-DVD for your edification
I made a HD-DVD a few weeks ago with Apple's DVD Studio Pro 4. Here's a torrent to a
It's nothing fancy, but I say a big advantage of HD DVD is that I CAN ALREADY MAKE THEM!
http://216.99.212.233:6969/torrents/HD_DVD_TEST.d
Re:HD-DVD is retarded (Score:5, Informative)
(Last Journal: Tuesday July 27 2004, @01:15AM)
Also of interest is the H.264 article [wikipedia.org] on Wikipedia, specifically the Applications [wikipedia.org] section--
All things being equal again, that leaves capacity as the only thing seperating the two formats as far as I can tell.