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50Mbps Cable Launched on Long Island 291
the-dark-kangaroo writes "Cable Vision have teamed up with Narad Networks to provide a new 50Mbps broadband service in the New York metropolitan area. The current deployment has a capability of 100Mbps (the connections are symmetric) with future developments allowing up to 10Gbps connections. The system utilises current cabling systems allowing enterprise level connections to homes and businesses."
They can't even handle 10mbit/1mbit (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:They can't even handle 10mbit/1mbit (Score:2, Insightful)
They want me to use the Internet like it was a shopping channel. minimal demands and don't ever actually use all this speed that t
Re:They can't even handle 10mbit/1mbit (Score:2)
Of course they will let you use it.
Just ask their sales representative about moving to premium residential or business class service. Entry level here is $60/mo.
Re:They can't even handle 10mbit/1mbit (Score:2)
No, they draw the conclusion that consistently uploading=running a server which violates their terms of service
"Business Service" = Different Policies (Score:2)
Re:They can't even handle 10mbit/1mbit (Score:2)
I've had OptimumOnline for the last year and it is the best broadband internet service I've ever had. I have 10 megabits down, 1 megabit up, and I've never been capped. Granted, I'm not stupid enough to leave Kazaa up sharing files 24/7, but I've done my fair share
Re:They can't even handle 10mbit/1mbit (Score:2, Interesting)
I don't live in an OOL area, but pulling up the optimumonline website, I see that its run by CableVision. Do you have any reason to believe that this CableVision network will behave in a significantly different fashion?
Re:They can't even handle 10mbit/1mbit (Score:2, Informative)
I have some relatives up in the New Jersey area. They generally run Bit Torrent all night, at a full 100Kbps (On non-standard ports). The one time they upload some pictures to one of my servers via FTP on port 20, they get capped. I'm agreeing with the Anonymous Coward here, OOL's capping system seems to be designed for preventing users from running servers.
I will give OOL this though, un
Re:They can't even handle 10mbit/1mbit (Score:2)
People who abuse deserve to be capped.
Define abuse. If you do, that would be a definition that OOL does not provide to anyone. That in itself is the problem. From what I;ve read, I've drawn the conclusion they cap the highest bandwidth users that has no relevance to the TOS or warez. Without defining what "too much" really is.
DSLreports is full of OOL capping incedents [broadbandreports.com]
Re:They can't even handle 10mbit/1mbit (Score:2)
Can I take it you work for OOL, and have seen some proof?
Downloading a Legal copy of Linux is not Wares. It's a perfectly legitimate way to use the 'net. It's not abuse, and it's not illegal. Similarly, Uploading pictures of the family vacation is completely legitimate, and not illegal (as long as the vacation was legal).
If the company was advertising 'unlimited', then capping people who make hea
Re:They can't even handle 10mbit/1mbit (Score:2, Informative)
What did fix th
Re:They can't even handle 10mbit/1mbit (Score:2)
How about you read their terms of service. You are NOT allowed to run webservers, so what does it matter that they block those ports? If you are running a server, then you're violating their rules. On another note, to my knowledge, another reason they blocked those (besides the obvious) is due to viruses and worms that ha
Re:They can't even handle 10mbit/1mbit (Score:2)
You are NOT allowed to run webservers
What's the acceptable way to negotiate that clause out of the TOS?
Re:They can't even handle 10mbit/1mbit (Score:2)
Re:They can't even handle 10mbit/1mbit (Score:2)
Because you're using it for work (Score:2)
I had read the OOL terms, as I always do, and I certainly was not abusing the service. I don't download illegal software. However I upload large files for work.
With many providers, using your residential class connection for business is abusing the service. Your connection shall be used for private home entertainment purposes only. To negotiate this out of your contract, pay extra to upgrade to business class service.
Like a car ad: starting at $20K; as shown $25K (Score:2)
then they better start pulling adds where they talk about how you can use it to work from home or download music.
"Work from home"? Upgrade to the business class and it's OK. "Download music"? Use iTMS or any PlaysForSure (WMA) vendor and it's OK.
It's bait and switch all the way
Bait and switch, but probably not fraud: "Plans start at $39.99/mo" with the fine print "Some features require a Business Class plan at $79.99/mo, subject to availability."
very nice (Score:2, Insightful)
Read the TOS carefully (Score:2)
I'd be happy to get 5M upload at the moment.
Are you using your connection for warez? (Copyright infringement is prohibited.) Are you using your connection for trading freely redistributable works over eMule or BitTorrent? (Running a server is usually prohibited on a residential class connection.) Are you using your connection for telecommuting? (Business use is often prohibited on a residential class connection.) Read the TOS carefully before you sign a commitment.
As much as Long Island sucks... (Score:5, Interesting)
With all the fear and loathing over p2p, I'm surprised to see that they're allowing high-speed symmetrical connections like this. I was fully expecting 50Mbps down/16Kbps up, or something similarly retarded.
And what does this do to hosting providers like serverbeach? That 50Mbps is going to be unmetered, right? So the game server, your new pay-per-view pr0n site, and the blog all get hosted at home on the Mac Mini. Wow.
And no, it's not flamebait about Long Island. People who live there know what I'm talking about. It's the traffic. You have to drive to get anywhere and even a simple trip to the grocery store and back can make you go insane. To say nothing of commuting. And if you're actually commuting to Manhattan and back, I only have two words for you: hard drugs.
Re:As much as Long Island sucks... (Score:5, Funny)
There are other things you can buy in Manhattan, you know!
TCP/IP class 101 in session (Score:3, Informative)
When my cable went to 4Mbit, they increased the upstream to 512Kbit. When I'm downloading at a full 4Mbit via http, I'm almost completely saturating the 512Kbit upstream. So they didn't increase my upstream because they were just feeling nice
Re:TCP/IP class 101 in session (Score:5, Interesting)
If it were really 50Mbit downstream, they'd need to give something like 8Mbit up, or at the very least 4.
I call BS. The overhead for ACKs on a pure download is _not that_ high. I ran netstat -bI 1 while downloading a file via HTTP:
376704 9420
323586 9708
378421 9724
377904 9228
First number is bytes down, second is bytes up over the last second. The ratio is roughly 40:1. You must have done something wrong saturating half an Mbit with a 4Mb download.
Depends on the OS (Score:2)
Yours appears to be around 40k. But if I recall correctly the default on Win 98 and other older systems was sometimes as low as 8k, which would be in line with what the grandparent saw.
I would be interested to know what OS he was running.
Re:TCP/IP class 101 in session (Score:2)
As another poster pointed out, you must be smoking crack. Even if you send some massive 72 byte acknowledgement (tons of IP options) per 1500 byte packet down, that's a ratio of 1:20, or perhaps
Symmetric - Business Services - $$ (Score:3, Informative)
The interesting issues are going to be pricing, average throughput (e.g. how many people are you sharin
Re:Symmetric - Business Services - $$ (Score:2)
Re:As much as Long Island sucks... (Score:2, Funny)
And then proceed to watch her fire up AOL.
Re:As much as Long Island sucks... (Score:4, Insightful)
In case you haven't noticed, there are all kinds of prohibited bits and bytes out there today. Moreover, just because the data is legal doesn't mean I want GS-7 scumbags to be looking at what I read and write.
So...
Fuck you.
Not as simple... (Score:2)
except that they might think that it is the speech that "... they disagree with, or even find disgusting"
Paul B.
Re:As much as Long Island sucks... (Score:5, Insightful)
Like North Korea or Saudi Arabia.
I suppose next you'll want to ban digital cameras. What? No? Don't you know they can be used to produce child pornography? You support child porn!
Damn, I'm looking at my monitor and do you know what? It can be used to view child porn! Must. Destroy. It. Immediately.
My eyes, they can see! But that means, they can be used to look at child pornography! Somebody blind me quick!
Where do we get these fucking retards from?
Re:As much as Long Island sucks... (Score:5, Funny)
Oooooh, look everybody,
Not only that, OSTG actually *hosts* freenet.
Gotta be a special place in hell for doing that!
And just to be sure we don't forget about Google, you can use Google to find Freenet, so then, Google can be used to find child porn too!
What makes these links possible? THE INTERNET! THE INTERNET IS ENABLING CHILD PORN SOMEBODY MOD IT DOWN QUICK!!!
lol
Re:As much as Long Island sucks... (Score:2)
So... why exactly were you looking for such sites?
Re:As much as Long Island sucks... (Score:2)
Child pornography is illegal in Japan. Japan: Law for Punishing Acts Related to Child Prostitution and Child Pornography, and for Protecting Children (1999) [interpol.int]
depictions of naked kids
Child pornography is not "a picture of a naked kid."
Child pornography is the rape of a child for the sexual entertainment of an adult.
Re:As much as Long Island sucks... (Score:2)
"Seriously, they think making a law that makes child porn illegal PROTECTS children.. From what? the naked body god gave them when they were born?"
No, more like protecting them from the naked body God gave the freaky old man that's offering to buy them toys if they go through with it.
" from the person who BROKE THE LAW the idiots put in place to protect the children when they decided to take/look at child porn?"
From the person who paid money to the photographer, to the person wh
Re:As much as Long Island sucks... (Score:3, Informative)
Since it's apparent that you don't understand how it works, I'll let you know that blocks that aren't requested don't propagate and are eventually dropped. I can run a freenet node fully content in the knowlege that unless the billion people in China are suddenly all pedophiles, the Chinese blocks are statistically more likely to exist than the child porn blocks.
So, what Chinese Blog [freenet-china.org] have you hosted recently? What's that? You're not doing your part to cle
Re:As much as Long Island sucks... (Score:2)
This assumes that the general Chinese population is a significant participant in Freenet. It is perfectly possible, and, I suspect, far more likely, that the origin of most Freenet blocks is Western.
I know, I was there during that election. (Score:2)
It's the beginning... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:It's the beginning... (Score:2)
of the end. (Score:2)
Re:It's the beginning... (Score:2, Insightful)
For digital services like video on demand, the box uses shared-key security and the MAC address to authenticate and "unlock", then the node just pushes the content down like data
And probably 10gb a month transfer limit (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:And probably 10gb a month transfer limit (Score:2)
As for speeds, I get 10Mbit/1Mbit. There is a local Debian mirror at Suny Stonybrook and I get about 800KB/s sustained from it. I can upload to my website at a max of 80KB/s. Sure its a ratio of 1:10 but its been this fast for the past three years & I have never been emailed or post
fttp... (Score:5, Insightful)
Not MOCA (Score:2)
Wrong place (Score:2)
what will you even use it for? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:what will you even use it for? (Score:5, Insightful)
There are thousands of useful and totally legal things that can be done with very high speed connections that can't be done very effectively with the current "broadband" offerings. Just because it can be used for illegal activities doesn't mean those are the only uses for such connections.
Re:what will you even use it for? (Score:5, Insightful)
There are tons of uses for more bandwidth. One only needs to envision online services such as fast system backups, multimedia mail, videophones, on-demand HDTV over ip, . . .
just my 2 cents.
Re:what will you even use it for? (Score:2)
Because, of course, that's what's happened to date.
Oh wait...
Imagine a global beowulf cluster of... (Score:2)
My biggest concern wouldn't be what to do with it, but what kind of latency comes with that
Re:what will you even use it for? (Score:2, Interesting)
Business Web Services and Diversity, that's what (Score:2)
The technically cool thing you get from this kind of service is that the physical
Cablevision service nightmare (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Cablevision service nightmare (Score:3, Informative)
I live in south queens and we have Time Warner cable at one home and Verizon 3.0/768 DSL at another. No complaints with either service (except the RR cable is much faster and more responsive then the DSL). I know a few people with RR cable from TW and they also never ha
In other news (Score:5, Informative)
not only 100 Mbit, GIGAbit. (Score:3, Informative)
And also, IIRC, those gigabit connections were available in Japan/Korea before in Sweden, don't have any link to use as confirmation though.
Re:not only 100 Mbit, GIGAbit. (Score:2)
2) I DO suspect them to actually have some kind of cap, if nothing else only having a limited pipe to the intarweb (can't get very much fatter than 1 Gbit - is there really anything bigger than 10 Gbit? - and I would suspect it to be shared among quite a lot of users).
3) The prices mentioned in the article are quite hefty. 850 SEK / Month = appr. $120 / Month. And a connection fee a bit above $200 (this is for
Tokyo (Score:2)
Re:In other news (Score:3, Informative)
Emigrating Hordes of Nerds... (Score:5, Funny)
Well, I'm sure the Swedish government will be tracking you down to have a word with you, since it's YOUR post that will have been responsible for Slashdotting The Swedish Immigration Board's website [migrationsverket.se] now...
I have to admit, the idea of real LAN-speed broadband internet in my home is givin' me a nerd-on...
Re:In other news (Score:2)
Re:In other news (Score:2)
Your situation is unfortunate. But it is not indicative of the situation in every corner of the United States. Where I live (in the downtown of a large city) I have upwards of 30 choices for high-speed internet from cable, DSL, fixed microwave, cellular, and wi-fi.
Re:In other news (Score:2)
Re:In other news (Score:2)
Re:In other news (Score:2)
Re:In other news (Score:2)
Man, that really sucks! I wish I could have gotten FTTH so cheap in September!
Donuts (Score:3, Funny)
Holy shits! (Score:2)
Cable Vision? No thanks. (Score:4, Informative)
I don't care. (Score:2, Insightful)
Giant Suburb, not Giant City (Score:2)
Porn in HD!! (Score:4, Funny)
Seriously, before I could only have a player about a quarter the size of my monitor, if I tried to expand the size of the porn any more, it would not be clear. Her skin would not look smooth and soft. Now I can watch porn the way it was intended to be, in High Definition.
And before people start bashing me, anwser one question? How much money is made in porn on the web every year? How much money does Amazon make on the web? See... the web is there for porn, everything else is icing on the cake.
To the people of IRAN, if you censor your web, you will never get 100 megs a second. The moment you let people masturbate, the porn industry will come to Terahn and give you 100 megs a second!! But along with titles such as "Touched by Alah", you will have to let people have "Mr. Azerja, the goatfucker". Actually, I am sorry for that last joke. Please forgive me. I am going to burn in hell for that one.
What else is 100 megs a second good for? TV on demand? I wonder how the DirectTV and Dish will counter these fast speeds that cable has. What will DSL do? I hate supporting cable providers, because back when they were the only choice (for cable tv), they were the worst customer service pricks around-
Me: "Hi, I saw your advertisment for $29.95 instal with two months of HBO for half price with basic service"
Them: "Hey, hold on one second... *strange noise*... Okay, what did you want???
Me: "I'd like to order cable service, can you come out this Saturday?"
Them: "No way. Let me look... ahh, okay, we can come out in three weeks, the 13th."
Me: "Any way you can come sooner?"
Them: "No"
Me: "Okay I guess, what time can you be here?"
Them: "We will be there between the hours of 8am and 7pm."
Me: "WHAT??? I'd like to not wait all day"
Them: "Hold on, I have another call."
CLICK- call disconected.
Second Call
Me: "Hi, I was just disconnected"
Them: "Oh, yeah, what do you want again?"
Me: "I'd like to order service"
Them: *noise of chips crunching* "Yeah, fine, okay".
Me: "How do I order service"
Them: "Let me get to that screen. I am going to need to put you on hold again"
Me: "NOOOOOOO"
CLICK- call disconected
Third Call
Me: "You hung up on me again!"
Them: "No I didn't, I put you on hold"
Me: "Whatever, I want to order cable service"
Them: "Sure thing, we can get to you in four weeks, on the 20th"
Me: "You just told me three weeks, now it is four?"
Them: "Yeah, we had a mad dash of orders since I last talked to you"
The only good thing about the cable industry is they are so fucking currupted, it is easy to steal from them. I know people who had free HBO for 10 years just because they slipped the instal guy $20 bucks. Now that things are going digital, it does not work as well, because you need that box. And RTF Gold does not descrable all the pay-per-view stuff. But the one trick that is left, if you only want basic service and internet, is to order just the internet and then split the cable. You will get basic programming for free.
Having said that, I wonder what the sweet spot for broadband and tv service is, including stealing? Anyone have the gigantic dishes? Anyone know how to get all the premium stations and pay per view for free?
Re:Porn in HD!! (Score:2)
Go to work for the cable company?
As a TimeWarner employee, I get all the digital cable, all the HD, all the premiums, all the extra channels, all the video on demand, DVR, 3 extra digital boxes, and free RoadRunner (5M/384k). Easily $250+/month.
Re:Porn in HD!! (Score:2, Funny)
As a TimeWarner employee, I get all the digital cable, all the HD, all the premiums, all the extra channels, all the video on demand, DVR, 3 extra digital boxes, and free RoadRunner (5M/384k). Easily $250+/month.
Yeah, but you have to work for the cable company.....
Re:Porn in HD!! (Score:2)
Not with Cablevision...f**kers put a filter on my line.
Memories... (Score:4, Insightful)
I also remember thinking that the World Wide Web was just a passing fad.
If service providers can give enough consumers more bandwidth, content providers will give consumers more to download.
Hope they can afford to finish this (Score:3, Informative)
Thats it..... (Score:3, Funny)
Verizon's FiOS is competition (Score:5, Informative)
Their pricing plan is pretty good:
Down/Up
Up to 5 Mbps/2 Mbps $39.95
Up to 15 Mbps/2 Mbps $49.95
Up to 30 Mbps/5 Mbps 199.95
The number direct to the FiOS center is: 908-474-9728
Verizon doesn't publicize it yet, but the people who answer do have access to a database telling them which switches are going live and when. Today when I called, I told asked if I was going to have service in my small town.. when he said no, I told him the local switch which served us (obtainable via Local Exchange Routing Guide). He acted very surprised and said that indeed we would have FiOS activated very soon now.
Of course this was obvious as Verizon has spent $$$ wiring fiber everywhere which should be the next big thing(tm). They even replace the normal copper wires going to your house with fiber (doesn't work in a power outage though! I hope nobody gets upset about 911
Re:Verizon's FiOS is competition (Score:2)
Why would it not work during a power outage? I've actually seen a FTTP setup at a small-town run telco when I went to repair a server there. It was slick. They basically have a durable plastic case that you mount on the wall in the garage. It has a self-enclosed UPS with replaceable battery, power conditioner, fiber modem/router/wireless 802.11G card opt
Re:Verizon's FiOS is competition (Score:2)
The reason phones wouldn't work in a power outage is you can only put light over fiber, and phones use electricity. There is the battery but that will last for about 8 hours from what I hear. I wonder if ONTs will become more energy efficient..
Here's some data for AFC's AccessMAX 610x which FiOS uses,
https://www.afc.com/documents/literature_library/ A FC_FiberDirect_Overview(1).pdf [afc.com]
Re:Verizon's FiOS is competition (Score:2)
At any rate, I had this same concern when Verizon came to install our fiber. To my delight, Verizon installed a battery in my garage (just sits on the wall) that has an approximately 1 hour life that will serve your fiber phone line in case of a ser
Re:Verizon's FiOS is competition (Score:2)
That's because all the guys who would be installing your DSL-capable infrastructure are busy ripping out his DSL-capable infrastructure and replacing it with Fiber.
They'll get DSL to your podunk ass after the rest of the country is strung up on fiber.
Unless they come up with something faster than fiber first, in which case they'll replace the whole country with that while you're still using
Who needs all that? (Score:2)
I honestly doubt it (Score:2, Interesting)
While the individual pipes may be able to handle 100Mbps and greater, unless they lay an entirely new system down, guaranteeing it and preventing bottleneck will be almost impossible.
FTTP, like that provided by Verizon (which I have), is much more promising. The new system is there and in place. Verizon has the fin
mass photo-uploading, OOL capped me. (Score:2, Insightful)
Not a subscriber-level service (Score:5, Informative)
This is not a subscriber level service.
Cable companies essentially have the same topology in HFC (hybrid fiber-coax) networks. They have their data center, with their connection to the backbone, and have fiber to several hubs, which are essentially the "regional" or "metropolitan" branch sites. From the hubs, served by fiber, coax is run to the individual nodes, which subscriber services are branched off from. What this is all about is the connection between hubs and nodes - there's more overhead bandwidth available farther downstream - but not yet to the customer premise. The four coax lines sent from the hub to the node can now support 100mbps symmetrical.
This enhances the inter-nodal communications, the junctions between the fiber backbone most major cable companies have deployed and the coax they use to push their various signals out to consumer premises. In essence, they're getting 100mbps over coax for the four coax "pipes" used to support the node itself. While it's a big deal insomuch as it means they have a lot more ceiling with regards to bandwidth and deployment of available services, it's not the point that they've got fiber past the hubs to the individual nodes... yet. It does mean, however, that there's less need to deploy more nodes (read: capital expense) so they can spend that money on R&D and getting "faster" to go "farther." Ultimately, it'll end up with fiber to the pole, then finally fiber to the house.
What it WILL mean? You should see an increase in upload caps sooner than you thought... and cable companies are getting ready for a lot, lot more HD and HD-on-demand services. Remember, their focus is still video - data is just an added bonus.
I know where they got the cable! (Score:2)
But it has played down reports that millions of people have been affected by the breakdown.
New Technology f (Score:2)
Proprietary systems are bad (Score:3, Insightful)
Why does CableVision feel the need to create a new proprietary standard when we have a perfectly good standard already: DOCSIS [wikipedia.org], the Data Over Cable Service Interface Specification. DOCSIS 2.0 offers 38mbps down and 30.72mbps up, which ought to be plenty for everybody. If it's not, get another channel and bond them together until you have enough. DOCSIS 3.0 will even handle the channel bonding FOR YOU.
Since cable providers already run fiber until the CMTS [wikipedia.org], which is usually within the last mile, why not run fiber the rest of the way or live with 38/30mbps service rather than creating a new proprietary cable modem standard?
Re:Sounds cool (Score:2)
Re:THIS IS NOT FAIR (Score:5, Interesting)
$100 for 2Mbps down / 256 kbps up (yes, that's cheapest DSL that doesn't have monthly transfer limit of 35-or-so GB).
$110 installation, $100 monthly. And that's only because they offer a "promotion" since the begining of June (was much more). Plus it's a minimum 24 months deal.
You guys don't have a clue what less fortunate people (why oh why wasn't I born in a civilized country?) feel when they read your complaints about the level of service you're being provided with (and costs associated with it, especially when you take a look at average salary).
what good is 256 kbps up? (Score:2)
you would do better getting 1 meg down and gaurenteed 384 kbps up than the 2 megs down and 256 up.
how many people can log into a 256 kbps up without causing everyone to crawl at a snails pace. once you get 20 people logged in at the same time, it will become so slow. you will have to disable graphics.
Re:THIS IS NOT FAIR (Score:2)
I pay 50$ a month now for 1.5mbps/160kbps. No matter what, my upload is capped at 160kbps. There's nothing I can do to make that better. DSL is a joke around here; the wires are so pathetic you can barely make phone calls without line noise (and this is from a wide variety of houses, including brand new ones (well, one)). Up until two years ago, it was 70$ a month for 1.5mbps/128kbps (that was the best we could get then, too).
All in all, that sounds about rig
Re:THIS IS NOT FAIR (Score:2)
My service is more expensive for less speed than what you have. Not all the US gets such offers. There are rural areas that are no better off than you for service (though I will conceede the average salary point).
Awesome! (Score:2)
My Guess: Securing Solid Dollar Figures (Score:2)
Re:But WHY? (Score:2)