Paul Guyot Releases ATA driver for NewtonOS

Dorian Gray writes "For a long time everyone, including Apple, said it couldn't be done...mainly because NOS linear soup storage is so completely unlike conventional filesystems. But Newton users have refused to let the platform die, no matter how the manufacturer mis-managed (or ultimately killed) it."

Newtons, Amiga, Symbian, and the Future

It's interesting that this pops up right when this wannabe-Amigan got his hands on a Psion Series 5.

It's amazing how much current palmtop OSes suck. I like Psion/Symbian's engineering, their belief in the keyboard (although if you've ever held a Revo, you'll understand the usefulness of tablet devices; this from one who loves keyboards, no less)...

PalmOS, in its present incarnation, is laughable. I had great hopes for EPOC, but I don't find it much better- the newer releases on the 5MX and Netbook make it _powerful_, but it's not nearly as elegant as I expected it to be. Psion has a number of ideas right- the zoom buttons, for instance (and the zoomability of nearly any app; very useful when you deal with a small screen and various readability conditions)... and the integrated programming ability is what makes the platform flourish. However, some things really suck- it's relatively complex to just write a note, for instance.

I don't much like Apple engineering, but the Newton had the right degree of transparency to its interface; it made it easy to do things. I have a feeling Symbian Release 7(?) will bring back some of that transparency, as it's designed for tablets and will include handwriting recognition and such... but it shouldn't have taken the world this long to catch up.

Amiga has plans in the PDA market, now- ironic, since I believe it was R.J. Mical (who left Amiga/Commodore to work on the Atari Lynx) who then moved on to Apple to work on a killed Newton-like project a year or two before the Newton project emerged... In any case, Amiga Inc. has planned a 'query system' for data storage which may resemble the Newton in some ways. Might be another reason to root for them, if you aren't yet convinced they aren't vapor...

Back in the day of the Newton, I wanted a $100 device in the form factor of a Palm, which would do one thing- function as an ASCII text reader, in a simple and elegant manner. Such a device still doesn't exist- and HTML/XML are superceding ASCII, but it's interesting... elegant devices are hard to come by, now. The Psions are elegant in their own way- my 5 organizes my life, despite its faults, but there's nothing out there that can replace a (dead tree) notebook like a Newton could.

Three Cheers for Paul

Three Cheers for Paul's achievement. As the prepubescent third of the SlashDot readership hasn't realized yet, getting an ATA driver on the Newton is really an amazing feat.

First things first: I'm (Sean Luke) not just a Newton user, I'm a Newton developer. I'm the person little by little working on the MP3 player for the Newton, along with Paul Guyot and a few other diehards. :-) I'm also the author of (in my opinion) the second coolest thing to come out on the Newton recently since Paul's ATA driver, namely Waba (Java) for the Newton [umd.edu]. I've also written Hemlock (a Sherlock-compatible internet search system for the Newton) and a bunch of chinese programs and other fun stuff.

Okay, so I'm a diehard, but the only reason I write Newton programs is, ultimately, for me. They're all open source. If other people find them useful, more power to 'em. And it's fun and relaxing -- the Newton's development environment is quite nice, especially compared to the Hideousness that is developing on Palms or WinCE boxes, ugh!

The Newton I use is a MessagePad 2000, the oldest Newton model that really, truly is still superior to pretty much anything out there. Which disturbs me. And the Ebay market has reacted accordingly -- the MP2K was introduced 6 years ago at $1100, and is still worth about $400 used. Newtons hold their value like no other computer I have ever seen. Which is a pain in the butt for me because I'd like to buy a Newton MessagePad 2100 to do some further development on, but they're still in the $700 range. :-(

The MP2K was an astounding machine for its time -- it's still an impressive machine. It has a 480x320 16-bit grayscale screen, a 162 MHZ StrongArm processor (and this was back in '94!), 1 Meg of static RAM, and 4 megs of internal Flash RAM for archival storage. It has a battery life easily as good as a Palm Pilot. It's got two PCMCIA card slots, presently filled with a 16-meg linear Flash RAM card and an AmbiCom 10Base-T Ethernet card. I also have a modem card.

Early Newtons suffered because Apple rushed them out the door before ParaGraph International (the makers of Apple's first handwriting system) had handwriting working very well at all. ParaGraph never really did much better, and eventually migrated to WinCE. This first handwriting system was bad enough that Palm Computing was born through selling Graffiti, an alternative input method for the Newton. In NewtOS 2.0 (circa 1993) Apple supplemented Paragraph's word-by-word recognition system with Rosetta, a letter-by-letter recognition system developed internally at Apple. Perfected in NewtOS 2.1, Rosetta is, bar none, the best handwriting system available for any PDA in existence. If you think Microsoft's recent attempts are any match, you haven't actually tried a Newton (OS 2.1) machine. It really is that good.

Newtons are very sophisticated little beasts, able to fax, print to inkjets or postscript, beam, email, ftp, surf the web, create and display fully-formatted ebooks (the Newton pioneered the notion), write in aribitrary foreign languages (Newtons were the first devices to use Unicode, which is used throughout the device). Equipped with Apple's MacInTalk voice synthesis, they can speak text in different voices. They can record and play long chunks of sound.

For as small a user community as the Newton community was, there was a very large number of developers, partially due to Apple's exceptional NewtonScript development environment (NewtonScript is a proto-based OOP language rather similar to Self [sun.com]. As such, Newtons have an amazing array of stuff available for them for free now. Besides the typical notepad-datebook-namecards-etc., Newtons sport web browsers, web servers (!) [130.126.50.66], terminal emulators, word processors, spreadsheets, drawing programs, mod players, astronomy software, on-the Newton development software (although most Newton development is done on Macs or PCs, the Newton comes with a built-in compiler), and of course games, including a great chess program which beats the snot out of ones on other PDA platforms.

Why did the Newton never really take off? Because it was WAY ahead of its time, and because Apple hadn't figured out the price point. Apple was selling highly sophisticated Newtons for $800-1000, when it should have been stripping them of features and selling them at $300. It took Palm to finally realize that what people wanted was a glorified day planner that you could put in your pocket, for $300, and to heck with powerful features. The result: the Palm Pilot, a terribly primitive device with a grotesque UI, but it cost the right amount, had a great battery life, and fit in your pocket. And more power to 'em! Palm got the market right. It's taken Microsoft years to realize the same thing.

Just before Steve Jobs axed the Newton, the product was finally making a profit and Apple was preparing to spin off the company into a separate firm, Newton Inc. It had taken years, but the Newton was finally making money, and Apple was preparing a tiny one to compete head-on with the Palm Pilot. Why did the whole thing get Steved? Former Apple employees point to the fact that the Newton was the brainchild of John Sculley, the man who ousted Steve in the first place.

Oh, well.

Re:Newton OS

Are you on crack?

NewtonOS and NewtonScript were, if anything else, very interesting animals...

And I'm damned if __ANY__ other PDA can match its interface for intuitiveness and ease of use. The data soup model is _perfect_ for such devices. And their third party software was also amazing. I have a palm IIIc. Nothing yet has approached the usefulness of MoreInfo (from SilverWare) for PIM functionality. And BTW, people don't buy PDAs to watch video clips or host webservers, they buy them to manage their time and tasks, as well as offer a window into their information sphere. Newton was the best at it, and to many it has yet to be matched.

Maybe in a few years we'll have a PalmOS or other PDA system that is as good as NOS2.x was in 1997. I certainly hope so.

Let's hope the open source community, in developing OSS PDA ware, sees fit to appreciate what the Newton did well, and steal it wholesale, thus leapfrogging current limited PDA designs.

(let's put it this way: The Newton is to the Palm what a vintage Porsche 911 is to a modern japanese subcompact: The Porsche is more powerful, more exclusive, more beautiful, more viscerally pleasing to the driver, but is also more expensive, more temperamental in handling, more difficult to maintain, and ultimately less successful in mass-market monetary terms than the japanese subcompact.)

Your Working Boy,

Re:pocketPC

Ok, ill try again:

Stroke/letter recognition is a pain. I had a Newton 2000 for a few years and got used for taking notes just like I would on paper, in cursive. No, I didn't have to remember some new character shape. No, I didnt have to write one character at a time. No I didn't have to wait. No, I didn't have to write each character over the previous one. No, it didn't mis-recognize every 10th character. No, I didn't have to write letters in one area and numbers in the other. No, I didn't have to go into capitalization mode. Most people don't understand what this means. It means you write like you would on paper and in a few days, after the newton had learned your handwriting through a little AI, it would work almost flawlessly.

Ok, I think I was obnoxious enough about that, now, let me continue onto the other benefits of the newton (2x00 especially).

Real PCMCIA slots (two on 2x00). You could go down to your local computer store, pick up almost any modem, put it in your newton and be relatively sure it would work. Not some special "springboard" module that has to be bought at some special store or online.

It's FAST. I believe people had talked of writing an mp3 player for newton.

A real speaker and a port of macintalk at the end. It was easy to have a message or email read to me and I would easily understand it.

Real voice recording. A microphone provided voice or music recodings in different qualities and would record until the unit was out of space. When that happened, just put a PCMCIA flash card in.

The list goes on and on and.. You get the picture.

Ok, I'll get off my soapbox.

Newton remains *useful*

I know about eight people who still use Newton 2000 series machines on a day to day basis. I recently dug out my old mothballed MP2000, after I broke the screen on yet another Palm OS unit.

It's been a funny and interesting experience, because the damn thing is so eminently more *usable* than ANYTHING on the market right now including any Palm unit (they're different kinds of machines, though) and including the iPaq. I had forgotten.

Things you routinely can do on a Newton--jot down a quick "ink" note and fax it from the airport between planes, take *real* notes in a meeting on its half-VGA sized screen, read the latest issue of Slate (converted to NewtonBook) while eating lunch, look up a phone number, download a usenet newsgroup to read on the plane, track a package with your cellular modem, actually convert print handwriting to text and *work*--these things as a combination still elude the most modern PDA-type devices. Palms are great for looking up numbers, and WinCE is not really great at anything but it *can* do a lot of this stuff if you really need to. Newton can do it all easily, quickly, and without requiring the user's brain to even really engage in the task of making it work.

Palm units just do not have the horsepower to do it all. 16Mhz and a tiny display. The current crop of WinCE machines can do some of this stuff, now that they also use StrongARM processors, but they remain significantly more cumbersome to use.

The Newton is sort of a sad story--only the MessagePad 2100, the very last of the species, was the first Newton device that lived up to the Newton's promise, after the line's laughable start.

But for a surprising number of people (those who don't really need good desktop synchronization), these last Newtons still are more *useful* than anything currently available.

If there were a reasonable desktop companion app for the Newton, I would probably keep on using it for a long time, maybe even until 2010--when the Newton's "2.01K" date problem kicks in and they really become obsolete. (OK, probably not that long.)

Hmm...funny coincedence....

Me and a friend were talking about portable pc's and I said it's was too bad that Apple dropped Newton because they really had something there. They had most of what the pocket pc's have today, but about 5 years ago. Only if they could have done something about the size. I thought the last newton was good in size but still kind of on the big side. I think the Palms were out then. They killed the Newton in the portablity race. Now, if they would not have killed it, they could have redesigned it, they would have killed palm.

I don't know how much truth there may be to this rumour, but I saw here [sotrap.net] a mockup of something that could be called the Apple iPad. I can't tell if it's fake or not (I guess it could be a fake). Either way it's a neat idea! Now I saw a pic that looked like it came from the same web site (same kind of style of pic) that looked similar to the Titanium G4 Powerbook. The pic was out BEFORE Macworld. Maybe this might be the next one more thing from Jobs... :)

Re:Newton remains *useful*

I agree!

I'm in college, and I take all of my notes on my upgraded MessagePad 2000. I also put all of my Biology I notes on-line, because converting them to HTML and uploading them is very easy. Check out http://www.d.umn.edu/~reic0024/notes/ [umn.edu]. Not something you could do on a Palm (without way to much work), and the HWR is unmatched. While Wince machines have Transcriber, it's correction functions and letter changes are extremely poor compared to thato f the Newton's. Transcriber also doesn't seem as well integrated into Wince as well as the Newton's HWR is into the Newton OS.

One thing the Newton does for me, and that I like a lot: it's close enough to a computer that I can use it to keep me off my computer. I can develop software (I'm working on a genetic programming framework in NewtonScript), design, and other fun stuff without having to be indoors planted in front of a noisey computer.

I'm hoping to see something better come out that's supported, but it's truly dissapointing the sad PDAs that are out now.

Keep the Green!

Death is Relative

But Newton users have refused to let the platform die...

I applaud Guyot's achievement. But it's certainly an exaggeration to put this in the "they said it couldn't be done" category, just because of some conflicting memory access models. Clearly Apple people thought ATA access could be done, and would have done it if the product had survived long enough.

It's also childish to talk about "refusing to let the platform die". The platform is dead -- no sane manufacturer is ever going to consider reviving production. Like any popular platform, it will remain in use until the last system becomes unrepairable. The same is true of the Commodore 64.

I was an early adopter of the Newton, but I've long since gone over to the Palm. The other day I dragged out my old Sharp/Newton to retrieve some info that never got transferred, and I was geniuinely saddened to see the two side-by-side. The Palm has its advantages (not least in real versus illusory portability) but it will never be the same as a Newton. Still, I think the platform was doomed from the beginning. Bad management didn't help, but the whole "Insanely Great" culture, utterly immune to outside criticism and rational priorities, is what ultimately killed it. And refusing to accept that fact is a nasty waste of human potential.

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What happened to the spirit of "hacking"?

Just because the Newton is obsolete means anyone who hacks it is stupid or wasting time? I am sorry to see the definition of hacking now only includes stealing DSS and DoS attacks... I suppose this means the portable hand-held Atari 2600 was stupid and a waste of time too? I'll have to remember the next time a manufacturer kills off support for a product I own I should just throw it away and make fun of those who still use it rather than learn something from it or contribute something to the user community.