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First North American OpenMoko/FreeRunners Arrive

Posted by timothy on Tue Jul 15, 2008 12:44 PM
from the reminds-one-of-sony-mylo dept.
holdenkarau writes "The North American OpenMoko FreeRunners are starting to arrive. It would appear that the OpenMoko still has problems with some 3G networks, including AT&T. Although, in my own personal completely unscientific test, 2 out of 3 AT&T SIM cards worked. Check out the unboxing of a complete FreeRunner (along with debug board) and my experience getting the FreeRunner up and running. Or a direct link to the pictures for those of you bored with text. If you feel brave enough to take the plunge, you can buy your own FreeRunner from the OpenMoko store."
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  • by jacquesm (154384) <j@w[ ]om ['w.c' in gap]> on Tuesday July 15 2008, @01:09PM (#24199993) Homepage

    When I realized it did not have a camera. While a hackable phone has immense appeal having to lug around a second phone or camera is really too much a of a hassle. Oh well, we'll just wait for release II I guess.

    • by lymond01 (314120) on Tuesday July 15 2008, @01:40PM (#24200575)

      Oddly, a lack of a camera may give something like this a push into certain businesses where cameras are not allowed on the premises.

    • by rekrutacja (647394) on Tuesday July 15 2008, @04:08PM (#24203275) Homepage

      Waiting for second release is a good way to kick a company out of the market. I understand this desire for some businesses, but with Freerunner and OpenMoko you do want this second release to happen, right? So buy this release, and than buy the second when it's ready.

      • Which is why the lack of the camera and 3G is a huge problem. I'd be happy to pay slightly over market value for a phone with an open software stack, but only if it's an upgrade. My current phone is almost three years old now. It has 3G, works for Internet access from my laptop via Bluetooth and has a 2M pixel camera. Trading it in for one with only GPRS (getting off GPRS having been the reason for my last phone upgrade) and no camera is just not going to happen. My next upgrade is likely to be to HSPDA and something with enough flash for my music collection, and I'd really like it to be based on an open stack, but if they are going to build products based on three of four generation old technology and price them in the premium segment then it's really hard to justify buying them.
  • by bill_mcgonigle (4333) * on Tuesday July 15 2008, @01:11PM (#24200027) Homepage Journal

    Lots of North America is only served (or well-served) by CDMA networks. Hopefully, with Verizon embracing LTE [wikipedia.org] for its next network build-out we'll finally have compatible transcontinental coverage. Next, the world.

      • by bill_mcgonigle (4333) * on Tuesday July 15 2008, @01:41PM (#24200591) Homepage Journal

        hopefully CDMA areas are GSM in 4 years!

        Hey, at least click the link I bothered to include. :)

        First, 3G GSM adopted the W-CDMA air interface. Now, the traditionally-CDMA carriers are adopting the 3GPP's new IP-based protocol with an OFDM air-interface. The old definitions are just confusing at this point, but the upshot is the standards are converging. LTE allows for integrated fail-over to older tech, so the carriers don't have to have a build-out completely done on day 1 - they can do it incrementally and the phones will work as people move, but technically a Verizon user could roam on an AT&T tower.

        • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

          i've been able to use my GSM phone when i travel around the world, CDMA, not so much.
          • i've been able to use my GSM phone when i travel around the world, CDMA, not so much.

            Try northern New England, for one. Apple won't even sell you an iPhone if you live in Vermont. Pretending GSM has worldwide coverage doesn't help. Converging the standards does.

        • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

          I'm trying recall the name of the project that is the open radio system. With something such as a general radio and an antenna to handle multiple frequencies, couldn't the phone use either GSM or CDMA?

          *google*

          Ahh! http://hpsdr.org/ [hpsdr.org]

          The term I was looking for was software defined radio.

  • What does this thing have hardware support for in terms of audio codecs? Also how is using it to browse the web?
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      the webbrowser currently available through the repositories is quite a pain in the ass. the rendering is butt-ugly, scrolling is only possible using scrollbars, zooming is only possible using the tiny zoom-buttons and the keyboard didn't show up when I focused the textfield at google. but I'm sure things will get better soon.
  • by Goaway (82658) on Tuesday July 15 2008, @01:15PM (#24200091) Homepage

    Although, in my own personal completely unscientific test, 2 out 3 AT&T SIM cards worked.

    Sounds like Open Source to me!

  • 3G network... (Score:5, Informative)

    by Etherized (1038092) on Tuesday July 15 2008, @01:39PM (#24200545)

    OpenMoko still has problems with some 3G networks, including AT&T.

    This claim is misleading - the device has no UMTS radio, so of course AT&T's 3G network isn't supported. What's really happening is that some people who have "3G" SIM cards are having trouble accessing AT&Ts GSM network.

  • If I'm not mistaken, the phones are going for $400 per. It doesn't look all that good compared to the $200 iPhone so why would I want one if I wasn't interested in the "open" aspect of the phone?

    • by Tony (765) on Tuesday July 15 2008, @01:54PM (#24200867) Homepage Journal

      First and foremost, because you control the software.

      Secondly, the iPhone is *much* more than $200. That's the subsidized price. By the time you finish with the contract, you've spent quite a bit on your iPhone.

      Really, though, you'd only want one right now if you wish to hack on it. There's no reason to get one as your regular phone if you're not a hacker. The software stack is still in its infancy.

      Mine is supposed to arrive in a week. I'm pretty damned excited. I figure it needs some good games, like Nethack.

      • I figure it needs some good games, like Nethack.

        Wow, you mean it doesn't already have Nethack? I would have figured that would be a higher priority than the phone dialer!

  • they're too blurry, on some pictures you can barely make out what the guy is trying to take a picture of!

    Too bad, since I think it's a pretty nifty device and I would've bought it if it hadn't taken that long to get to market

  • Can anyone shed some light on the following statements, taken from:

    http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2007/08/23/apple-iphone-vs-the-fic-neo1973-openmoko-linux-smartphone/ [roughlydrafted.com]

    (after several points wraps up:)

    "...OpenMoko therefore isn't a new âoeopen phone,â it's merely a version of Linux designed to run on a specific vendor's proprietary implementation of Windows Mobile. Buying an FIC phone to run OpenMoko is like buying a Dell Windows PC to run Linux. You're not changing the world, you're merely funding d

    • by ThogScully (589935) <neilsd@neilschelly.com> on Tuesday July 15 2008, @02:27PM (#24201491) Homepage

      Sounds to me like they made a bunch of stuff up. The OpenMoko folks have gone to great lengths to develop the hardware platform from a completely open perspective, so that it developers can have full access to the hardware and full specs to program to.

      Ultimately, calling this a Windows phone running Linux is like saying that all ARM processors are really Windows machines that can also run Linux.

      The article really focused on OpenMoko vs. iPhone, but at least as far as I read, didn't get the point. The iPhone is geared toward those who buy things already working and the FreeRunner is aimed at those who want to make it better.
      -N

  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 15 2008, @02:31PM (#24201565)

    I just got mine, and all I have to say is....

    game over!

    This is not just a phone. It is a handheld Linux based router! It has a full stack via USB, and in the other direction via the GSM. It is open source hardware, using open source software. I hope a few of you realize what I am talking about. I don't think a device like this (this small, and compact) existed which has this functionality. Routing.

    After testing three different sim cards I finally got it to work with ATT. (G3 Fireball, not the one with the round contacts on the back, the one with the square contacts on the back it ends in G 4003 or something to that effect, its posted on the openmoko wiki.

    Mark this post, this is the beginning of the end my friends!

  • Android? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by autophile (640621) on Tuesday July 15 2008, @04:18PM (#24203465)

    Will Android run on it?

    What access does it have to wireless data connections?

      • Buddy, this is nonsense. Am located in Belgium and have ordered three days ago a Freerunner from Germany, likely to be shipped after the 25 July.
        On behalf of the European geeks,
        GeneralSunTzu
      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        The big difference between this and an iPhone is you can plug nearly any sim-card into a freerunner and it just works. You have to open the case of your iPhone and solder things the last I heard to get equivalent functionality with an iPhone.

        Nice troll, BTW.

        • Re:500 (Score:5, Insightful)

          by TooMuchToDo (882796) on Tuesday July 15 2008, @02:07PM (#24201129)
          Dude! The best part isn't that it can be used anywhere. That's an added feature. The best part is that the platform is completely open!
            • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

              Ahh! But they are two different things. My Blackberry from T-Mobile is unlocked, but I can't change the OS, although I could write apps for it if I wanted to. Most, if not all GSM phones can be unlocked to work on any other network. No phones (except the Freerunner to my knowledge) provide open source access to the OS.
      • And plenty of people in Europe - especially Germany ;)
      • Boy are you out of the loop. This has been in the press for over a year but if you only look at lame sites like windowsdevices.com or the like, you'd surely miss it.

        LoB

    • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward

      That ability is currently pending inclusion into the next firmware update. Please be patient.