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IPhone 2.0 Jailbroke
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CmdrTaco
on Sat Jul 12, 2008 10:01 AM
from the that-didn't-take-long dept.
from the that-didn't-take-long dept.
dch24 was one of many who noted that the iPhone 2.0 software has already been unlocked writes "If you were wondering how I was doing push email tests on iPhone OS 2.0 and Vodafone UK, this is the reason why. The code wizard commandos at the iPhone Dev Team have been working on this non-stop since the early days of beta testing. In fact, I had iPhone OS 2.0 running on my iPhone since last week. That was version 5A345, two below 5A347, but identical in functionality."
Still no word on an iPhone 3G crack.
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Not available yet (Score:2, Interesting)
Please run the story when there is a way to confirm it.
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Re:Not available yet (Score:5, Interesting)
Apple design is usually about what isn't offered, and that's like a slap in the face to many geeks who measure THEIR penises by feature count. Figuring out what NOT to include is probably more difficult than any other component of design. There's a tradeoff between complexity and usability. Look at Google's home page. Look at modernist architecture. Look at most top notch products, really.
There are plenty of options for people looking for something more tailored to email or text messaging. However, I'd be interest to know if you can name a product that comes closer to the mythical device convergence we've been hearing about for ten years.
Yeah, it ain't perfect, but it's not like anyone else is making the perfect device, either.
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Re:Not available yet (Score:5, Informative)
Apple design is usually about what isn't offered, and that's like a slap in the face to many geeks who measure THEIR penises by feature count.
I measure the usability of my devices by feature count. I measure my penis with a micrometer caliper like everyone else. The exact number of micrometers is left unknown as an exercise for the women.
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Re:Not available yet (Score:4, Funny)
Don't be too rough on the boy until he's actually used one and still says those things.
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No Longer Relevant (Score:4, Insightful)
While the application development environment was locked, it made sense to play this cat-and-mouse game of jailbreaking phones to get at 3rd part apps. Now that Apple has created a rich ecosystem of free and fairly priced applications, I've lost all interest in the process. I happily scrubbed my phone and went with a clean build of 1.2.
Of course, there are a different set of motivations behind carrier unlocking.
Re:No Longer Relevant (Score:5, Insightful)
If I understand this mess correctly [correct me if I'm wrong], ITunes's App store is the only "legit" way of installing software into the device. That's one big reason why jailbreaking is still relevant IMO.
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Yes (Score:4, Interesting)
You're quite right.
Also, several of the applications I use multiple times on a daily basis -- MobileScrobbler, Terminal, sshd, AFPd, others -- would not be permitted under Apple's SDK terms.
I am eagerly anticipating the release of an .ipsw cracking tool in the near future.
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Are you trolling? (Score:4, Interesting)
Are you serious?
Let's cover this:
>>1. through the iTunes store (for cash or free).
Clearly it's not that easy. There are only a handful of apps there today. You have to abide by what apple will let you put on the phone/ipod. What if I have a nice SIP app that I want to put on my iphone? Or perhaps I'm clever and I've ported a JRE to the iphone? What are the chances Apple will let me distribute it?
>>2. enterprise distribution on an company's own servers.
This is Apple just being funny. There are no large corporations using Apples or iPhone or iPods in a way you suggest.
>>3. ad-hoc distribution on up to 100 iPhones.
What if I want the whole world to have an app that Apple would prefer does not exist?
I don't see why you think these three conditions helps anyone particularly.
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Re:Are you trolling? (Score:4, Interesting)
1. The SIP app should be no problem. In fact I think there's already a VOIP app in the app store. The JRE is explicitly forbidden by the default contract, so you'd have to negotiate with Apple.
2. Yet. I would be surprised if this stayed true, especially in hospitals and other fields that use lots of vertical apps.
3. Yep.
So anyway, yeah... porn, some interpreted stuff, etc. isn't allowed. Is that really reason enough to jailbreak? There's a big difference between no apps and some apps; versus lots of apps and a little bit more apps. If you decide to release your apps via a jailbreak method instead of Apple's store, expect to get a LOT less attention now.
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Could you not distribute source, and then anybody could make binaries for up to 100 iPhones?
Re:No Longer Relevant (Score:5, Insightful)
Installer 4 can coexist with the App Store on firmware 2.0. This means you can have all the bells and whistles of free and pay-for-use apps of the App Store, PLUS all those apps Apple will refuse to put on their store.
Because they reserve the rights to exclude any apps from their store. Weither free or not. That is quite anti-competitive.
My 1st gen iPhone is jailbroken and unlocked. It'll remain unlocked and jailbroken weither I opt for an update.
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Re:No Longer Relevant (Score:5, Insightful)
For good reason. VoIP has much higher data overhead than regular phone service. AT&T and Apple have said that there are worries about network stability if all the iPhone users suddenly start using VoIP for all their calls. Specifically in areas where the 3G service is still not great.
Like it or not there are any number of application types that could completely thrash the phone network if they got popular. I think it is fair enough for AT&T to limit things that could cause service outages. You will not that they have no problem with you using VoIP, just as long as you do it in a way that won't fuck with their network.
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A french-English dictionary costs $19 on the app store. Meanwhile, I can get it for free on an unlocked iphone with webdict.
It seems that Apple's approval process has discouraged a lot of free software development.
Re:No Longer Relevant (Score:4, Insightful)
Apple doesn't set those prices. If enough people think $19 is too much for a French-English dictionary, the price will drop.
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Price Drop? He just said 'free' (Score:5, Insightful)
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for software developers making a buck on their application if it's worth it (see related rant on media from a previous slashdot story).
The question here is... If -I- were to make a *free* French-English dictionary... what are my odds of getting approved as a developer, getting my app approved in the store, and so forth and so on. Keeping in mind that this conflicts with a for-pay product also listed, and of which Apple gets a greater share (as in > $0). I'm sure Apple would allow it, but then there's the case of TomTom (google them) still not being approved for the program, while a competitor (google them also, forgot their name - they're better known in the U.S. I think) is.
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If you could show you had the rights to the source material for your dictionary (ie it was public domain, licensed, or you wrote it youself) then they would have no problem with it. I downloaded a free audio Mandarin phrasebook from Lonely Plenet that was free yesterday.
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Or if I write an application for personal use I get to install it for $99 (each year) IF Apple says OK. This is a major impediment to me buying an iPhone currently. I want something to serve as a PDA/Phone/Mobile net device and the iPhone is perfect except the Apple based tyranny.
Further my understanding is that they can also DELETE stuff from MY phone (not sure the mechanism).
I like the Mac integration and functionality but lack trust in any big company not to screw me if they get the upper hand.
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I don't get it, you're so excited about official third-party applications that you scrubbed your phone and downgraded to a firmware version that doesn't support them?
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You know, I thought the same thing until I saw the pathetic array of "official" third-party iPhone applications. The only applications I saw even remotely interesting were the AOL Radio, Movies.app, NYTimes, WeatherBug, and YPmobile.
All of these except AOL Radio could have just as well been web apps instead of native applications. I won't even entertain the idea of paying for any of the other applications since there is no concept of shareware or trial periods. I'm not about to throw away $10 on an appli
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Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act (Score:5, Interesting)
In the case of iPhone/iPod Touch, the only way to add functionality without voiding the warranty is through the manufacturer's approved method -- the same applies to your car.
In which country? In the United States, the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act [wikipedia.org] established that third-party accessories added to a car or other consumer product don't void the product's warranty unless the product's maker can prove that the accessory damaged the product.
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All Wrong - individuals can register (Score:3, Informative)
For one thing, the developer program costs a pretty penny: $1,099 for a MacBook
As noted, Any Intel mac - including Mac Mini, look for an old one on eBay.
The sign-up form to become a registered iPhone developer appears to require that all developers be associated with a company or organization
Nope, I'm signed up as a company but I have a friend registered as an individual. In either case there are certain banking requirements (not sure if I can be specific about them so I'll leave that vague) if you want to
What Happened To The iPhone Hype? (Score:2, Interesting)
Before and during the first iPhone release the coverage and interest was crazy. Now the iPhone interest seems to almost completely fallen off the radar. About the only coverage has been of the outrageous pricing plans in various countries and huge problems activating the phones.
Apple didn't meet the publicly stated sales targets with the first iPhone and it was assumed that everyone was waiting for the features in the 2nd gen. But that obviously isn't the case.
I can't see Apple even remotely coming close to
Re:What Happened To The iPhone Hype? (Score:4, Insightful)
stop telling lies. Apple has yet to reach their publicly stated sales goals, because the time limit is still on going. They have always stated from the beginning that they wanted 10 million units sold by the end of 2008 they had some 6-7 million sold before iphone 2 was released.
Apple will make their sales goals with ease and plenty to spare. Apple also doesn't want to be the main cell pone provider. even 5% of the market would rival ipod sales.
Also Iphone has had at least one bi weekly article about it since last year. hardly lowering the coverage.
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Maybe the geek press thinks the iPhone is old news, but the popular press is still ALL over it. And in the end, which one will drive (or at least reflect) overall sales?
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It is more expensive to own - regardless of what marketing lies are being put forth
Potentially true, but not absolutely.
First, faster access means potentially more time to be productive. Second, the argument assumes - incorrectly - that I can't get a return on the money I'm not having to pay up-front.
Compared to cheaper and better featured the iPhone is a really crappy phone to use for day to day use. It is more of a thing you show off to other people
I know several people who've switched from Palm phones and Blackberry phones. I've yet to find any who've been disappointed enough to switch back, and that feature set just got a lot more competitive with the App Store.
Re:iPhone 2 Is A Dud Because (Score:5, Informative)
Gotta correct this... The feature set didnt just "get a lot more competitive with the app store." The potential is there for more competition and features.
The app store is full of a lot of terrible applications. Many of them thrown together crudely, like the NYC subway maps apps. The most popular one uses liscensed maps from the NY MTA (Metro Transit Authority). However the maps are just low resolution jpgs that you cant even zoom into and read clearly.
Its a rather poor application and its considered the best of the subway map applications. Thats not really saying much... or is it?
There are a few nice applications, and frankly they are the ones from AOL. The AOL Radio app is incredible, and i hope they keep adding more features and service to it. The AIM app is a welcomed addition considering Apple appears to have no fucking interest at all at bringing ichat over to the iphone. Thats very disappointing. The phone has a texting ui, but cant receive or send photo/video text messages (MMS)
Some other good apps are the facebook and myspace apps. They're actually nicer than their regular website services considering that especially the myspace app, doesnt download all of the shitty banners and crap people leave in comments. Who would have thought that Myspace is actually nice without all of the shitty "artwork" plastered all over it?
The games, what games? Apple's own texas hold'em app is average at best. It reminds me of a game from 1991. Its nice that there is multiplayer but the graphics are ridiculous. And coming from Apple... i would have expected a better ui for the game. Instead it looks like bargain bin software.
Super Monkey Ball is good... not great. It never really was a game worth owning.
Trisms, is a pretty cool game actually. Hard as hell but i think the developer did a nice job with it.
The nice things about the apps that are semi usable, is that when they use the net for data, they're very fast. They dont dl all of the nonsense that the safari browser does. Its nice to just get the dam text and a picture with a news story rather than entire website. I'm speaking about one of the new News apps on the iphone, which is lightning fast at displaying news articles... and has a photo for each story. And this is on an EDGE connection.
In general browsing with Safari on the iphone 1.0 while connected to EDGE is fucking painful. These web enabled apps though seem to do it rather nicely, streamlined and light on bandwidth, which of course means they're fast to load.
There is POTENTIAL with the new app store, and app capability... but i cant say that there is any killer app out there yet, other than AIM.
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Just Say "No" To Crack (Score:2)
(except iPhones)
Improve reception with jailbreak (Score:2, Interesting)
is there anything that could possibly improve reception with a iphone that would allow for better reception. out of all the phones I have ever had, the reception on the iphone is horrendous. i get noservice through out the majority of my city and they have swapped my phone out twice. my crackberry use to be able to get reception inside our server room. i can't even get reception inside my building with my iphone.
i have never experience such poor customer service from at&t and apple. i expect it fr
Getting out of your AT&T contract? (Score:2)
I assume sites like http://www.cellswapper.com/ [cellswapper.com] etc are totally flooded with people wanting out of their AT&T contracts for their new iPhones. Or is there a site where AT&T contracts like that are actually in demand?
Really why now? (Score:2)
For the first iPhone all it did was raise Apples sales number marginally which promoted the idea that such a locked platform was profitable. Apple made money even without the carrier kickbacks. I agree at that point it made a little bit of sense because iPhone was not available everywhere, so if one wanted to use it in a unsupported locale, then the crack was good.
But it has gotten a little ridiculous, aside
Rambo called, he wants his VB coders back (Score:4, Funny)
The code wizard commandos at the iPhone Dev Team
Code. Wizard. Commandos.
So when is Thinkgeek going to start selling camo-patterned electroluminescent Pong robes ?
Re:Am I the only one... (Score:4, Funny)
Yes, but heretics get burned at the stake :(
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Re:Am I the only one... (Score:5, Funny)
Yes, but heretics get burned at the stake :(
and vegitarians get burned at the steak.
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Re:Am I the only one... (Score:4, Insightful)
Anti-populism is cool and all, but you sort of undermined your own point when you felt it necessary to click into this submission just to make the world know that alewar (784204) doesn't care about the iPhone. Great dude.
This is almost as insightful as the guy who told us how Apple jumped the shark [slashdot.org] because they sold out of iPhone 3Gs before he could get one.
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Re:Am I the only one... (Score:5, Funny)
"Am I the only one... ...who doesn't give a shit about the iphone or any other products from apple?"
You picked a funny thread to ask that. Sorta like going into a packed theater to see Episode III and shouting "Am I the only one that doesn't give a shit about Star Wars?"
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Re:Steve Jobs Dying (Score:5, Insightful)
The gauntness is probably a direct result of the cancer treatment. Here's a simple article explaining the procedure, and it's aftereffects. [cnn.com]
Though I'm not worried about Jobs passing away any time soon, I would feel better if there was "another Steve Jobs" who could replace him. Tech companies almost always suffer when their original founders leave, and Apple nearly went bankrupt without Jobs once before
Steve isn't an engineer, or a programmer, and I can't even say I'd want to be his friend, but hell - the guy built Apple, NeXT, and Pixar from scratch. The tech industry needs a lot more Steve Jobs-type leaders, and a lot fewer company-hopping CEOs that only care about their stock portfolios.
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I find it amusing that you keep on telling me that I'm a "fanboi" while ranting on and on about how evil Jobs is. I think I'm not the fanboy here.
I really don't know if Jobs is evil, and even if he was, you continue to fail to explain why you think he's a bad man, or how his being evil hurt Apple. Isn't NBC back on iTunes? Even if they aren't, I fail to see how this hurts Apple, the iPod isn't losing any market share; it's just NBC which makes less money. And Apple seems to be doing just fine with AT&T.
Re:Who cares? (Score:4, Insightful)
Violates the GPL? Since when?
At most, i think it just uses a few GPL libraries (webkit), the kernel, the interface, the core of the os etc are all BSD licensed or closed and owned by apple. There's nothing stopping you downloading webkit yourself.
While i agree they should allow open development, i don't think they're violating the gpl as it stands..
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