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Some 12% of Consumers 'Borrow' Unsecured Wi-Fi
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Zonk
on Thu Apr 17, 2008 09:27 AM
from the other-88-percent-are-lying dept.
from the other-88-percent-are-lying dept.
alphadogg writes "Despite the fact that it's often considered an illegal act, a sizeable percentage of the UK/US internet-using population 'borrows' unsecured Wi-Fi access. This is according to a study conducted by the group Accenture. 'The Accenture study found that computer users are still engaging in some unsafe computing practices. Nearly half of all respondents said that they used the same password for all of their online accounts, and only a quarter of them have ever encrypted files on their computers.'" My guess is the actual figure is higher than that.
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news.. (Score:5, Funny)
People on the internet 'steal' stuff they should pay for.
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Re:news.. (Score:4, Insightful)
Maybe that sounds selfish, but it doesn't matter. If you can't afford your own connection - tough. The internet is a luxury, not an entitlement.
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And don't paint it just like every other car... (Score:5, Interesting)
I set my parents house up with secured wifi 3 years ago... Last year my parents got a new laptop, and went about using wifi. 6 months pass. They get a new printer... I tell them that they can print from their laptop, over the network, and try to talk my dad through setting it up... After much confusion, I realize they are not on the wifi network that I set up for them, but one of their neigbhors...
My parents are smart, they just didn't grow up using computers, and don't think about the kind of things that most slashdot users think about... typical boomers... I bet 12% (or more) of laptop users steal wifi, without even knowing it...
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Re:And don't paint it just like every other car... (Score:5, Funny)
Then I took a look down the list of wireless networks in the building. What do you know... I'd just finished encrypting and setting passwords on all the neighbor's wifi. Whoops.
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Re:And don't paint it just like every other car... (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:news.. (Score:4, Insightful)
Good to see that the entitlement complex is still alive on this site though.
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Re:news.. (Score:5, Funny)
I don't know what it's like where you live, but wherever I need to use wireless, I just use that free and ubiquitous 'Belkin 54g' network.
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Re:news.. (Score:5, Insightful)
If you leave your front door unlocked, you're probably not standing on the porch yelling "Free house, come and get it!" and handing out name tags. If you do, then you can't turn around and claim the guests were trespassing.
If you install an unsecured Wi-Fi gateway with DHCP, the device is yelling to everyone within 100 meters "Free network, come on in" and handing out IP addresses to any takers. It is _YOUR_ responsibility for leaving it open.
The argument against locking routers down by default, is that it's too complicated for the user. Bullshit! People use locks and keys all the time for their home, car, office, filing cabinet, safe deposit box... all things of value they wouldn't want to have stolen. How is your private, personal network any different ? If you don't want people poking around your shared files and internet access, then put a freakin' lock on the thing.
I have no pity for people who fail at common sense. Just because it plugs in the wall doesn't give you an excuse to be stupid.
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Re:news.. (Score:5, Insightful)
Bad analogy? Maybe, but if so, that's because analogies really don't work well in this case.
*Bruce Schneier recently wrote an article on just this topic--the security mindset isn't a part of most people's thinking. http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/03/the_security_mi_1.html [schneier.com]
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Should I be required to get consent from VA Linux before I try to access Slashdot? Of course not. So why should I be required to do it when it's my neighbour?
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Re:Bandwith is not a car (Score:5, Insightful)
And when the government subpoenas me because someone on my account was browsing child porn sites?
And when the RIAA files suit against me for 'making available' copyrighted material (off of your laptop, of course)?
But if those moral blinders are working for you, hey... who am I to disagree?
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Why can't I use a negligible amount of bandwidth when you are not using it?
Because you have no way of knowing whether or not a) it's a negligible amount of bandwidth and b) I'm using it.
Re:news.. (Score:5, Insightful)
If I left my money, house, or girlfriend available on your property, I wouldn't really feel like I could complain if you helped yourself...That's what these people are doing. If I have a neighbor whose signal is strong enough to cause interference on my equipment, I feel no qualms about using his service.
If the WAP isn't even trivially secured, then that's an open invitation, same as having an FM radio signal crossing my property is an open invitation to monitor it. If you don't want other people to use it, don't leave it wide open.
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Re:news.. (Score:5, Funny)
Don't forget wallet at this persons house or let my girlfriend visit it alone.
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Can someone help (Score:4, Funny)
Do I need a password?
Gotta Remember, They're Users (Score:5, Funny)
After extensive questioning (using very small words), I determined:
Her expensive laptop worked fine.
Her TCP/IP settings, web browser, etc. all worked just fine.
The wireless components and setup worked just fine.
What was NOT working fine was her neighbor's wireless access point. Apparently that fine fellow had either turned it off, lost his own internet connection, encrypted his WAP, or whatever.
She never knew she was using his connection, connecting to his WAP. She thought that, since the stick-on on her laptop said it had wireless and could reach the internet
"But it works on campus."
Sigh
Half an hour of my life, gone. And I don't even want to think about the brain damage.
Re:Gotta Remember, They're Users (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:Gotta Remember, They're Users (Score:5, Funny)
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Is that twenty years' experience, or one year's experience twenty times?
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Not knowing how to do something doesn't give those people who do the right to look down upon that person. Then again, that's not going to change - everybody wants to feel important. Looking down upon the "
Re:Gotta Remember, They're Users (Score:5, Funny)
It's half a year later and, yes, people are stupid.
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Re:Gotta Remember, They're Users (Score:4, Insightful)
Of course, some big multionaltional corporations and their stooges will have hissy fits. Too bad fo rthem, hooray for the rest of us. If I get a laptop, I'll have wifi set up on my desktop, and it will be open. Because I'm not a selfish asshole.
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Re:Gotta Remember, They're Users (Score:4, Interesting)
(My laptop has WinXP on it, but it's an older laptop - 4 years - and it uses Atheros software to connect and only attempts to connect to the network I activate. Under Linux, my usual OS, I set up a script for it to connect to the SSID I specify.)
Plus, people do use others access points intentionally - some friends of mine were doing it over the weekend when we were camping at a spot that didn't have any internet access.
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And why is this bad? (Score:5, Interesting)
Yes, it's sent unencrypted - just like network traffic over those old-fashioned things called wires. We all know to use https and ssh for secure connections anyway.
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Yeah, sounds like fun (Score:3, Informative)
no differentiation- regular or intermittent? (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:no differentiation- regular or intermittent? (Score:5, Informative)
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Ideally, no one really cares. (Score:3, Insightful)
But if they start borrowing and eating your already limited bandwidth and start choking your connection. Then just use some form of encryption and be done with it (AES).
It doesn't really matter whether or not it's illegal, they put themselves at risk if they transmit wireless on an unencrypted connection
WTF? (Score:4, Insightful)
How the hell do you "consider" something to be illegal? It either is, or isn't.
How the hell is 12% a "sizeable percentage"?
Someone's really trying hard to make an article out of nothing.
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In other news... (Score:3, Funny)
Not surprised (Score:3, Informative)
Other interesting fact: Me and a friend were wardriving with just a regular laptop, no special antennae, speeding down the highway, and we picked up a LOT of networks, often with a good signal. Some of these were in places with no buildings in sight. When I get a working laptop again I plan to implement a setup that leeches off open networks as I drive (mainly for a Google Earth-based navigation system, anything sensitive will either have to be encrypted or left out), and I have no doubt it will work nicely.
MORE than half use the same password... (Score:4, Interesting)
But you get permission every time (Score:4, Interesting)
Warned my neighbour (Score:5, Interesting)
I warned them by printing a page on that shared printer, identifying myself and describing the problem. Next day the access point was secure..
Same password = throwaway stuff (Score:4, Insightful)
I don't particularly see that as an "unsafe" practice, since none of it really matters.
Things I actually care about (personal email, anything work related, etc) get real passwords, and things that can really cause problems (banking, etc) don't get done via the internet at all.
In an apartment. (Score:5, Interesting)
The other premise upon which people base a lot of paranoia regarding network and personal computer security is the assumption that they possess something worth stealing. There are many effective credit card fraud methods in use that don't require any sort of computer exploitation, but rather involve "social engineering." What other information does the average person have on his PC that is of value? Of course I would be disturbed if somebody managed to obtain my entire photograph library, but that is of so little value to somebody else, I doubt very much that any significant effort would be put towards obtaining it.
For fun (Score:3, Interesting)
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Nearly half of all respondents said that they used (Score:4, Interesting)
Like newspaper registrations? Rather than bother with bugmenot, I just register using bogus data. My password is 111111. Because I really don't give a shit about a newspaper registration. It has nothing whatever to do with security. The Chicago Tribune has no CC#s, SS#s or any other real, personally identifiable information about me; I don't even know why they bother.
Yet this is somehow deemed a "Security risk." And I don't send encrypted data; if it's sensitive information I'll send it snail mail.
Redundancy/Backup Access (Score:3, Interesting)
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This is the case where I live, but it ain't all that savvy a town, so a lot of the points aren't well labeled. I can guess that the strongest wireless signal is from the restaurant I'm in, but it could be from one of the dozen loft apartments on the second floor
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