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Robotic Suit For Rent In Japan

Posted by timothy on Fri Oct 10, 2008 01:40 AM
from the low-miles-one-owner-died-quick dept.
xTantrum writes with an AP story that begins "A robotic suit that reads brain signals and helps people with mobility problems will be available to rent in Japan for $2,200 a month starting Friday — an invention that may have far-reaching benefits for the disabled and elderly."
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  • by ScytheLegion (1274902) on Friday October 10 2008, @01:48AM (#25324931)
    I, for one, welcome our new $2,200/month Robotic Suit Overlords.
  • fp bitches! (Score:5, Insightful)

    by shaitand (626655) on Friday October 10 2008, @01:48AM (#25324933) Homepage Journal

    'an invention that may have far-reaching benefits for the disabled and elderly'

    Not for $2200/month it won't.

    • Re:fp bitches! (Score:4, Insightful)

      by Splab (574204) on Friday October 10 2008, @01:55AM (#25324973)

      Well it wont help in places where elderly are expected to take care of themselves - however in the civilized parts of the world where the government takes care of their elderly and disabled this will have huge benefits for all.

      • Re:fp bitches! (Score:4, Insightful)

        by TubeSteak (669689) on Friday October 10 2008, @02:11AM (#25325045) Journal

        Well it wont help in places where elderly are expected to take care of themselves - however in the civilized parts of the world where the government takes care of their elderly and disabled this will have huge benefits for all.

        You let me know what country takes care of their eldery to the tune of $2200 per month, because that's where I want to retire.

        Last I checked, most of those "civilized parts of the world" are either reforming their State pension systems or are planning to.

        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          What they should do is stop discouraging people from having supersize meals and chain smoking. And put heavy taxes on tobacco and fries.

          That'll help take care of the elderly :).
        • Re:fp bitches! (Score:5, Insightful)

          by Splab (574204) on Friday October 10 2008, @03:42AM (#25325399)

          Well Denmark is spending more than that per month.

          Having such a suit means the elderly can get up and down stairs by themselves, go shopping on their own - that means freeing up workers and giving companies more people to hire, while we are currently feeling a bit of pain due to the financial crisis we still have more job offerings than people to hire.

        • Re:fp bitches! (Score:4, Insightful)

          by compro01 (777531) on Friday October 10 2008, @04:29AM (#25325617)

          $2200 for now. Remember, this is a first-gen product.

            • by Shotgun (30919) on Friday October 10 2008, @08:22AM (#25326835)

              The problem is that they will be running up against the Laws of Physics. You can make it smaller and lighter all you want, as long as you don't run up against those most enforced of laws.

              Phones and video games just have to produce voltages large enough to represent 1s and possibly 0s. Maybe produce some light. You can get away with using less power if you can make the electronics smaller. A nice feedback loop.

              This robotic system has to actually lift and move things. Things that are not getting smaller. It takes a given amount of power to lift a 170lb person. You can't make the power requirement smaller. To be mobile, something to generate that power has to be carried along. There are several ways of possibly accomplishing this task, but don't count on any major revolutions.

        • You let me know what country takes care of their eldery to the tune of $2200 per month, because that's where I want to retire.

          Last I checked, most of those "civilized parts of the world" are either reforming their State pension systems or are planning to.

          Let me further refine that statement by saying "...what country takes care of their elderly to the tune of $2200 per month FOR ROBOTIC EXOSKELETON SUITS WITH WHICH TO DOMINATE THE YOUNG, ROBOTIC-EXOSKELETON-FREE KIDS ON THEIR LAWNS."

      • To the tune of 26,400$ a year it won't here in the "civilized parts" either. Socialized health care has some benefits but it doesn't mean we can take money out of thin air. It will come down to a cost-benefit compared to other services, if more elderly can manage without or with less human assistance then it'll happen but it won't magically come on top of everything we provide today.

        • Re:fp bitches! (Score:4, Insightful)

          by TheJasper (1031512) on Friday October 10 2008, @03:15AM (#25325301)
          I can quite imagine in my parts of the world this being a feasible benefit for the elderly *and* the disabled. This doesn't mean everyone over 65 is all of a sudden going to be outfitted like robocop. It means that if this technology will significantly improve someones standard of living then 26,400 isn't the issue.

          As for magically appearing...nothing ever does. First you have to have the machines. At the same time pretty much you need doctors, therapists and tecnicians trained to work with the machine. Then you have to probably teach people to work with it.
          It's not the money that will be a big problem but the support structure. Even so, I'm sure in 10-20 years you'll be seeing these things or similar ones on the same level as a wheelchair.
      • Re:fp bitches! (Score:5, Insightful)

        by clarkkent09 (1104833) on Friday October 10 2008, @02:18AM (#25325073)
        in the civilized parts of the world where the government takes care of their elderly

        Government doesn't take care of the elderly, taxpayers do. If you are going to take my money and pass it on to the elderly then at least give credit where it's due.
        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          Yeah, because you would just donate your money every time you see an elderly person in trouble. Same as how you maintain the roads, and defend the country.
          • Actually there are people who donate more to help people out than they pay in taxes. The bottom half of the income distribution in the US pays almost no taxes. Some of them do, however, give to charities.

        • You pay the government to take problems off your hand. Give credit where it's due.

      • the civilized parts of the world where the government takes care of their elderly and disabled this will have huge benefits for all.

        Living in a "civilized" part of the world with social healthcare with a disabled family member, let me reassure you that that the government would laugh at you in the face if you ask them for $2200 a month for this. They will happily provide you with a mint-condition wheelchair until the technology becomes affordable (as in not $2200 a month).

        I think there are a lot more useful applications for healthcare money (eg. help pay for life saving surgery, help pay for medication for the chronically ill, etc) than

      • by RMH101 (636144) on Friday October 10 2008, @07:07AM (#25326265)
        Dude, they've got a robotic suit. I'm picturing armies of elderly gundams. They can take what they want - who's going to stop them?
        • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

          When did it become accepted to just dump them on the corner for other people to pay for?

          Probably around the same time that two incomes became necessary to support a family.

    • Japan has has socialized health care. the majority of their hospitals and medical institutions are privately owned, but all medical bills are covered by the government. so it won't be a problem for lower income individuals to gain access to this technology in Japan.

      though in the U.S. you'll probably only see the wealthy wearing the $2200/month model, while the middle class will have to settle for the $1500/month one-legged version. but everyone else will have to stick with wheelchairs or walkers with tennis

      • Given the problems Japan is facing with socialized healthcare I doubt they're government is going to subsidize the use of this thing. Socialized healthcare is great until someone has to pay for it. That's the problem Japan is facing, not enough people to pay for the growing aging population.

        Such technology would see limited use not because of healthcare but because of cost versus value. I actually think $2200 a month isn't bad at all given the nature of this new technology. If this thing had been been intro

        • what kind of problems are they facing? people getting the health care they need regardless of socioeconomic stratum? no one going bankrupt because of medical bills? health care costing a fraction of what it does in the U.S. while citizens receive better care and health results?

          i think you should do a little more research into the Japanese health system before saying banal platitudes like "socialized healthcare is great until someone has to pay for it."--what is that even supposed to mean? the government has

          • I believe he's referring to Japan's very low birth rate in the past two decades, leading to a disproportionately old population retiring from the workforce comparing to the number of youth entering it, which in turn results in lower than projected revenue and higher than projected spending on social programs for the elderly.
          • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

            "socialized healthcare is great until someone has to pay for it."--what is that even supposed to mean?

            It means that while a more equitable distribution of certain resources is a desirable situation, it doesn't solve the problem of providing the aforementioned resources.

  • by Kjella (173770) on Friday October 10 2008, @01:48AM (#25324937) Homepage

    Cyberdyne, a new company in Tsukuba outside Tokyo, will mass-produce HAL.

    Cyberdyne [wikipedia.org]? Will produce HAL [wikipedia.org]? Outlook not so good.

  • and _their_ "mobility problems"?
  • Anyone remember what happened the last time we let Cyberdyne make anything remotely robotic? :-)

  • by dexmachina (1341273) on Friday October 10 2008, @01:58AM (#25324989)
    "Why's this damn thing taking me to the ledge. Stop! Hey! Stop it!" "I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that..."
  • Sounds cool (Score:4, Funny)

    by oodaloop (1229816) on Friday October 10 2008, @02:03AM (#25325013) Homepage
    What weapon systems come with it? I didn't see any listed, but I'd have to assume it at least has flamethrowers or some sort of rockets.
  • I think the article missed the feature where the wearer powers up, screaming while an animated background appears.

  • Lies (Score:4, Informative)

    by Onaga (1369777) on Friday October 10 2008, @02:31AM (#25325159)

    It isn't really reading brain signals. From the own company's website, they say the system detects signals on the surface of the skin (of what is intended to be moved). That is why they demonstrate it with partially paralyzed people. If the spinal column cannot relay any signal at all to the legs, then the system cannot work.

  • So can these things be hacked, say to increase the response speed by a factor of 10? It would either kill your granny in the most hilarious way or else it would make her into a superhero. Either way a great video on youtube.
  • Bad memories of Exo Man are flooding into my brain...
  • by GrpA (691294) on Friday October 10 2008, @03:12AM (#25325295)

    I hear that the first beta testers are annoyed that to bootstrap the suit, they have to stand in a spread-eagle configuration and yell out "Power Extreme!"

    GrpA

  • by apodyopsis (1048476) on Friday October 10 2008, @03:55AM (#25325459)
    "Stop them Gromit! They're the wrong trousers and they've gone all wrong!"

    My favorite mechanical trouser mayhem.

    From one of my favorite short films ever!

    Though I have no idea how well known it is out of the UK.

    Now if only I could find my copy of 'Electronics for Dogs'.
  • by initialE (758110) on Friday October 10 2008, @04:01AM (#25325477)

    Roujin Z
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roujin_Z [wikipedia.org]

    Fear.

  • Elderly 209 (Score:5, Funny)

    by Zaphod-AVA (471116) on Friday October 10 2008, @07:31AM (#25326397)

    [ED 209] You have twenty seconds to get off my lawn. [/ED 209]

  • DEAR GOD NO (Score:5, Insightful)

    by loafula (1080631) on Friday October 10 2008, @08:17AM (#25326789) Journal
    Anyone who has ever seen the elderly try to drive a car already knows this is a HORRIBLE idea.