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Anthony_Cargile writes "We all now know about Asus shipping illegal software cracks and confidential documents/source code on their recovery DVD (and in the system root), but this article tells exactly how it happened. It's even more careless than you think, and most likely an accident."
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Barence writes "Asus is accidentally shipping software crackers and confidential documents on the recovery DVDs that come with its laptops. The startling discovery was made by a PC Pro reader whose antivirus software was triggered by a key cracker for the WinRAR compression software, which was located on the recovery DVD for his Asus laptop. Along with the key cracker the disc also contained confidential Asus documents including a PowerPoint presentation that details 'major problems' identified by the company, including application compatibility issues. The UK reader is not alone, either — several users in the US and Australia have also found suspicious files on Asus discs."
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TFA (Score:5, Informative)
Asus Recovery DVD scandal: How it happened
Posted by anthony Published in Security, Software
For those who havenâ(TM)t already heard, the PC OEM company Asus was involved in a major scandal where a directory on the recovery DVD and inside c:\Windows\ConfigSetRoot\ contained a software crack for the WinRar program, software serial numbers, a resume (presumably for a now-jobless Asus employee), an internal Asus powerpoint describing âoeknown compatibility issuesâ, Asus source code, and even an OEM issued Microsoft document, which mainly says âoedo not distribute DR-DOS with any computersâ.
We now know from an OEM source how exactly the files got where they did in the first place, and it isnâ(TM)t very surprising.
An Asus representative said they would be investigating the matter, and while someone is still going to lose their job over this just so Asus can say so, the way the files made it to thousands of PCs is pretty common.
An OEM employee (name not mentioned here) discussing the matter said that during the vista installs, the generic vista disc installing the OS looks for an XML file (unattend.xml) on a flash drive, and upon finding it the installation parses it and runs the XML code as installation instructions so nobody has to go through the installation menu for the hundreds of synchronous installations (hence the unattend).
BUT⦠there is another twist: If a certain tag or attribute is present, all files other than unattend.xml itself on the flash drive will be copied to c:\windows\configsetroot - see the connection?
So apparently an Asus employee happened to have a personal flash drive, and stored his resume (presumeably, conspiracy theorists may disagree) as well as a few âharmlessâ(TM) keygens and serials on it as well, in his defence in case maybe he lost the serial to winrar or other programs. Apparently the same employee used the flash drive to store or back up confidential Asus documents and source code, as well.
So if the Asus internally distributed unattend.xml file was copied to this unnamed (and jobless) employeeâ(TM)s personal flash drive, and included the xml tag/attribute to copy over everything to the system root and, therefore, recovery DVD as well, then voila! Then the only way somebody could come under fire because of this is because of oh, I donâ(TM)t know, not checking the installation root once everything was installed!
So now we know HOW exactly this whole ordeal was started, and there is a lesson to be learned hereâ¦. somewhere.
Asus Conspiracies... (Score:5, Funny)
and stored his resume (presumeably, conspiracy theorists may disagree) as well as a few ÃharmlessÃ(TM) keygens and serials on it as well
... So, are you implying that you're a coincidence theorist???
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Re:TFA (Score:5, Funny)
So apparently an Asus employee happened to have a personal flash drive, and stored his resume
If that really was his/her resume, I doubt it will do much good to him/her, now.
I love the twist, though: "I worked for 3 years at Asus, but I, er, decided to move on now. Oh, BTW: you can find my resume on your Asus recovery disk - isn't that convenient!"
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Re:TFA (Score:4, Interesting)
My real worry is that it may not even be the person mentioned in the CV at fault.
Assume the following scenario.
X has a USB drive with confidential infomation, which he keeps in his desks, it may even be a backup of sorts.
Y is a trainee/intern who is doing an OEM machine image. He gets his instructions which say "get a USB drive to perform the next steps". He doesnt have a USB flash drive, so he asks X if he can borrow a USB flash drive to "install something"
X, who may be busy and mislead by the rather vague request may think that Y wants to download something from the internet. A driver or something, and says, "sure use the drive on my desk, do not delete anything"
Y follows the instructions, and the debacle above happens, but no-one knows yet, and the above exchange is forgotten. Maybe Y is an intern and has even left the company by now. .. some time later....
the excrement hits the fan, and X looses his job.
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I was gonna say, "Use a Mac".
Or Linux. Or Solaris. Or SOMETHING other than Windows.
It seems to me that Windows and Office are far too often the culprits of accidental leaks. Microsoft's strategy has always been one of convenience rather than security, so it's no surprise to me when these things happen. If you're looking for a decent home system, fine, use Windows. If you're going to use it as an employee workstation, be paranoid. But never, ever, ever deploy it to the production f
Re:TFA (Score:5, Insightful)
Great, then the mac or linux files would have been copied from the usb stick to the windows install directory. Reduces the chances of cracks appearing, but does nothing for the documents.
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Re:TFA (Score:4, Funny)
It seems to me that Windows and Office are far too often the culprits of accidental leaks.
No, the culprits are usually idiots. Microsoft can't help it if the majority of idiots out there happen to use their software.
...you think I'm joking.
I'm sure there's a handful of people out there who went out to buy a computer yesterday and had to decide between Windows and Mac--and the reason they walked away with a pre-loaded Vista machine was because they remember that funny ad with Seinfield and that rich dude shaking his ass.
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Re:TFA (Score:5, Insightful)
That sounds like the dumbest choice. The only negative effect an Asus client could have is if the USB flash drive contained malware of some description.
Condemning the whole company because of one employees ignorance of MS's stupid xml magic really is cutting your nose to spite your face.
Asus products have always been good to me.
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Re:TFA (Score:4, Insightful)
Because all Linux config files make perfect sense... Seriously though, XML may be verbose, but at least the format is clear. In contrast, ever .conf file has its own peculiar formatting that makes editing an adventure.
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Re:TFA (Score:4, Insightful)
I don't get it. Why is this "XML Magic" bad? That flag is clearly documented. Open source wouldn't have prevented this problem any more than just reading the documentation would have. It's even likely that this person knew about that flag and just forgot about it.
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"I thought it would be "Don't buy Asus machines."
Why would I mind if they come with a free bonus?
I'd be delighted with the "unintended extras" on the recovery disk, and (since I don't own one) hope they will show up via the usual sources so I can check them out.
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I threw Kubuntu onto an Asus laptop just before school started. Laptop shipped with Vista (shudder). Tried putting a 64bit version of XP on it, ran slower than molasses in January, lousy video, couldn't get the sound card working, etc. Threw on Kubuntu... video ran smoothly out of the box, had to fight with the sound (but only until I found a post in the Ubuntu forums about the well-known problem), got my bluetooth working and was able to sync up my palmpilot, and my iPod with very little trouble.
Asus ha
This doesn't explain everything (Score:5, Insightful)
I can how an internal ASUS USB flash disk with an unattend.xml file on it, might get used to move documents around, and then also get used to install windows.
That might explain how certain documents got put on a lot of harddrives inside ASUS.
It doesn't explain how that directly ended up being part of what they made an ISO out of, and how no one apparently did quality control and checked every single file on a CD before it was replicated and sent out to the world.
Re:This doesn't explain everything (Score:5, Insightful)
First rule of internal company dynamics: they are not nearly as well staffed, as organized, as thorough, or as competent as you think they are. They are in all probability just as quick and careless as you would be doing the same thing.
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Re:This doesn't explain everything (Score:5, Insightful)
At least not any more.
As long as a company's stock price gets rewarded by Wall Street for laying off employees, we're going to see stressed corporations.
Remember that really slow guy in QA who took forever to write his reports, and was getting a little gray, and was making more than a lot of us because he'd been with the company forever? He was the guy who would catch these stupid mistakes.
But he was laid off when we got "lean and mean".
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Re:This doesn't explain everything (Score:5, Informative)
As an employee of an OEM that does these installs all day long, I can say they really messed up. Using an unattend.XML from a flash drive is BAD. Using a USB drive that has anything else on it is WORSE. Having illegal software and ND docs on the MFG floor, on an unsecure USB drive, next to your install scripts, is enough to get you FIRED.
And to other comments...Yes, we do look at nearly EVERY SINGLE FILE, including c:\Windows\ConfigSetRoot\. If you send out for 100k recovery DVDs, you want to make sure they are correct.
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Re:This doesn't explain everything (Score:5, Interesting)
I used to produce computer magazine coverdiscs, and have also written several computer books with CD/DVDs attached. Millions of my authored CDs/DVDs have been produced, maybe more.
I am FREAKING PARANOID that anything untoward might get onto the disks that shouldn't be there. Once sent to the duplicator, there's no turning back. I personally have spent hours checking each and every file on discs that I've made, even going so far to check file dates to ensure files haven't been tampered with accidentally (maybe I've discovered a new bug that causes files to be mixed with, say, porn). I check them on different operating systems, and either delete hidden system files (.thumbs etc), or open them in a hex/text editor to see what they contain.
Also, and this is a golden rule, if you're producing a CD/DVD for distribution, you MUST USE A CLEAN COMPUTER. Luckily virtual machines make this a lot easier because you can keep the OS and the virtual file system clean -- nothing gets onto the virtual file system unless it's downloaded (provided you turn off file network sharing of course).
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Re:This doesn't explain everything (Score:5, Funny)
Once I had a phone call from a lady who claimed my magazine coverdisc was distributing porn. It was a real "holy crap" of a moment, because I had to admit that it was possible -- our coverdiscs went through many hands during compilation, and it was possible.
I asked her to explain more, and it turned out she'd installed a screen saver slideshow application that was on the disc. Hmmm... I looked into it and the screensaver applicaiton merely scanned the user's hard disk for pictures, and then presented them in a slideshow.
Ah. The porn pics weren't on our disc. They were on her computer. I communicated this to her in as many words. She denied any possibility of porn being on her disk but, upon further questioning, it transpired the only other user of the computer was her son... Who was 14. Yeah. OK. But it couldn't be him, she said. He wouldn't be into... this kind of thing. So she continued to blame us, even though she knew that I was probably right. I eventually hung up as she was threatning to call her lawyers. We never heard a peep out of her after this.
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As an employee of an OEM that does these installs all day long, I can say they really messed up.....
Yeah, but I bet you don't work for an asian vendor of cost competitive commodity goods. Sure there are procedures to prevent this, sure they don't cost much to implement, but the culture that enforces the kind of safeguards you mention does actually ingrain cost into the product along with quality.
It's much more cost effective to fire a couple of guys as an example and continue with business as usual, especially when the majority of your customer base doesn't really care.
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It's because your average grandma doesn't know how to install and configure Windows and any of the software they may want on their computer after a reinstall, and your average software company doesn't want to pay for 4 hours on the phone explaining the process. It takes a lot less time to say, "Insert the disc labelled 'restore', then reboot your computer. Call us back in four hours if it doesn't work." The company pays less, the customer doesn't have to follow difficult (to them) and tedious steps, and
Re:This doesn't explain everything (Score:5, Insightful)
When was the last time that anyone checked every file on a CD when it's say, a windows restore? Yeah. Nice job dipshit. Think before you talk. What human actually knows every file that's supposed to be on there?
diff -r, dipshit.
If doing this kind of quality control doesn't seem trivial and normal to you, then congrats; you don't work in the IT field.
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Re:This doesn't explain everything (Score:4, Insightful)
well, if they have a clean copy to compare with diff, then why wouldn't they have just used that disc image for the shipped discs?
obviously more stringent quality control is needed here, but i don't think running a simple diff command is the solution.
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Re:This doesn't explain everything (Score:4, Insightful)
"When was the last time that anyone checked every file on a CD when it's say, a windows restore? Yeah. Nice job dipshit. Think before you talk. What human actually knows every file that's supposed to be on there?"
How else do you think this stuff could have been found? Magic?
I dunno... maybe the guy responsible for figuring out what the hell is supposed to go on there in the first place would know. Last I checked, Microsoft only hired humans for work outside of the legal department. More importantly, nobody would need to know off the top of their head, since they could just check against a list... or even better they could write a short script to do it for them.
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Re:This doesn't explain everything (Score:5, Insightful)
Sloppy work at the best - a simple engineering problem to solve, takes 2 minutes to run after the ISO is cut. My QA lead would laugh hysterically at me if I tried to pull a stunt link this on her. Easy to verify final ship products
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I think the point is that Asus *was* sloppy about it, and they just happened to get away with it until now. That's the nature of sloppy work -- if it's too sloppy, you don't get away with it, so you improve the quality until you generally can get away with it. Doesn't need to be 100% -- just most of the time.
I'll bet they don't make the same mistake again. (Though of course, they may make similar makes, or may create procedures to help prevent them too. We shall see.)
Re:This doesn't explain everything (Score:5, Interesting)
I had forgotten that it was a windows restore CD, I was thinking in terms of a driver CD or something.
However, there exist tools that are designed to do exactly that sort of thing. I run something that checksums every file on a server and compares it to a known good value, as part of an intrusion detection system. If I were shipping a windows computer otu of manufacturing, I would take file lists from as-shipped as well as after restoration, and I would compair them against other windows installations, and make sure I knew a reason why every single different file was different.
It's not that hard. Once you write a script to go through and get the file list out of all the .cab files, and subtract that from what's on the disk, what's left is not that much. Just the pre-installed cruftware and whatnot . . . maybe they had so much of that, these files got lost in the noise.
So, what had to happen was this:
1) Employee got the "official vista install" USB fob, probably used it, and then he or someone else used it as a hand file transfer mechanism, adding more files to it
2) This non-pristine USB fob was used again to install the "master" harddrive that would be used to make recovery DVDs shipped with the product
3) No one carefully checked the files on that recovery, OR the USB fob infection had also gotten to the vista's that he compaired against
Still seems sloppy to me. If you know you are going to be dealing with a behemoth like Vista, one of the things you do is write scripts or develope tools to deal with it.
One thought I had, is that this would be a way to make a virus replicate. What if instead of random crap, it put some kernel driver in windows that checked to see if you were writing an "unattend.xml" file and dumped itself on that drive if so ? Some minimal attempts at hiding might take you a long way, given that there appears to be little quality control. How to get it into the OEM so it will be re-distributed ? Oh, just add it to a cracked copy of WinRAR and post it on a warez site, that apparently works.
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Tools can be fooled... (Score:3, Interesting)
It is possible that the (nameless, now jobless) employee actually ran a QC script that was simply fooled because it built its reference file list from the already "enhanced" ISO.
Not saying that he's not a dip---- for not knowing what's supposed to be there, but I wouldn't be surprised if he actually executed a QC script given to him by some manager who got it from an employee they haven't seen in years....
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And keep in mind that if ASUS had been shipping Linux, this mistake would still be possible, if they were setting up their machines using a "kickstart" USB flash disk.
Crack vs. Foss (Score:5, Insightful)
"c:\Windows\ConfigSetRoot\ contained a software crack for the WinRar program...
So apparently an Asus employee happened to have a personal flash drive, and stored his resume (presumeably, conspiracy theorists may disagree) as well as a few harmless keygens and serials on it.."
It amazes me that this employee chose illegal means of getting an archiving program instead of using a FOSS solution such as 7-zip ( http://www.7-zip.org/).
I know some companies have protocols for handling FOSS software, but this should have never have happened if the employee had just turned to his company's legal department for obtaining software licenses.
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It amazes me that this employee chose illegal means of getting an archiving program instead of using a FOSS solution such as 7-zip
Compare GUIs of those two programs. 7-Zip's GUI is quite bad. Also 7-Zip does not have the "Move" function where your files are archived and deleted. I use WinZip for that since the company has it licensed. I also have 7-Zip installed, but as I said it's GUI is very rudimentary, IIRC lacking buttons for many obvious functions.
This is actually a well known effect of piracy on
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Yep, the price itself is usually less of a problem than figuring out how to pay for something. First, there is the paperwork. Then you have to see if the supplier is set up by Accounting. Then you may have to make a cost justification. Then you run into the 'we don't pay for things online, do they have a mailing address and can we get thirty days credit' line from the Accounting people. It's quicker and easier to get a cracked copy than jump through all of the hoops for a cheap item.
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That is why I give folks Alzip [altools.com] instead of 7zip. The interface on 7zip is just too geeky for your average user. While Alzip isn't OSS,it is free,and the user interface is just as easy as WinRAR to use IMHO.
As for ASUS,I'm really surprised a company that size pulling such a rookie foul up. I guess it is pretty obvious that they didn't have anyone checking the images that went out. Has the images been scanned for malware? Because if the guy was carrying cracks and keygens there is no telling what else could
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I have had problems using 7-zip on new winzip created zip files. I am not the only one to have this problem in my company. We wish we could get rid of Winzip, but we can't since out clients use it (not from bittorrent, wanker!) uses it. You do know that zip has different compression algorithms within it (not 7z, arj, just zip!). This is the problem, 7-zip doesn't handle the latest ones.
All I want from 7-zip is as I said, for it to work, and it not to waste 30 minutes figuring out it can't handle a file.
In m
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It most certainly can read RAR files, but I'm not sure if it will extract from password-protected RARs.
Could have been me (Score:5, Insightful)
I am completely unsurprised. When I heard about it I thought, "Oh, some jackball inadvertently copied his personal files via some install script. That's pretty funny."
I personally have the exact same stuff on my thumb drive - my resume and some cracking tools. As we all know, nobody tests their own work. That's why testers have jobs.
So he screwed up - at least he has a good story to tell!
Re:Could have been me (Score:5, Funny)
Hello, this is John, your boss's boss from Asus. We found your thumb drive plugged in one of our server used to build Vista images. Are you available monday 9:00am for a quick meeting ? We need to have a little talk.
PS: bring 1 or 2 empty boxes.
-John
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(Looks in the box) ...
A red stapler to begin with, a desk lamp, 25 CDs with data I burned, 72 pens, business cards, a keyboard, a mouse,
Well, you get the idea. Everything that is in, on or around my desk. What are they going to do? Fire me? Too much trouble to call the police over it. At least were I am.
Re:Could have been me (Score:5, Insightful)
As we all know, nobody tests their own work.
Speak for yourself.
I don't know anyone that tests their work as thoroughly as the next person to find a mistake in it.
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As we all know, nobody tests their own work.
Speak for yourself.
It should be:
As we all know, nobody should test their own work.
I always get keygens for software I buy (Score:4, Insightful)
I always get keygens and cracks for software I buy as a safety measure, and test them in a virtual machine to make sure they work. With all the phone home activation that software does these days I don't want to have to call a vendor and beg for access to to software I've already paid for when Windows takes a nose dive. What if the vendor doesn't support that version any more and doesn't want to give me a new activation key? What if the vendor is bought or goes out of business? If I reach that point I can at least use the keygen or crack to protect my investment.
I can't fault anyone for having keygens for their apps.
There is a simpler, safer solution. (Score:4, Insightful)
I have one key that is over 10 years old, that was updated by the company from an 8 digit code to a more secure 6-groups-of-5-alphanumeric code that still works.
Never needed a crack, and the key takes up a lot less space. Plus it I know it isn't a trojan program or a virus.
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Re:There is a simpler, safer solution. (Score:5, Insightful)
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Let be real ok? 99.999% of the time someone uses a keygen, it's to pirate software. Hey I've been guilty of it, sure (with Nero Burning rom). But I've also purchased a real key from their website a few months later. The point is, it's still wrong.
Do you think if I carried a crack pipe in my pocket, I could convince a COP that it's just a goodluck charm? You see my point right?
Re:I always get keygens for software I buy (Score:5, Funny)
You see my point right?
That you're a crackhead?
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>Do you think if I carried a crack pipe in my pocket, I could convince a COP that it's just a goodluck charm?
Yes you could, there is nothing illegal about owning a crack pipe.
Lately their quality has been going downhill... (Score:5, Interesting)
This is disappointing. A few months back ASUS got into a flamewar with GIGABYTE. GIGABYTE came out and told Tom's Hardware that ASUS used inferior parts, changed their % gains versus their competitor without changing the product whatsoever, and that ASUS's EPU feature is software instead of hardware(meaning it is inferior to GIGABYTE). GIGABYTE did come back and appologize for claiming ASUS used inferior parts(it was found that it was a different vendor's board that contained inferior parts). ASUS threatened to sue any website that talked dirty about ASUS when this all came to light. Check out http://www.tomshardware.com/news/asus-gigabyte-motherboard,5348.html [tomshardware.com] to read about the GIGABYTE versus ASUS drama. Then check http://www.tomshardware.com/news/asus-gigabyte-motherboard,5480.html [tomshardware.com] for ASUS suing GIGABYTE for the bad publicity.
I have been an ASUS user for many years, building many computers with ASUS parts. While GIGABYTE did include some false claims, they did have valid complaints for their other arguements. I was one of the people that was stuck with a motherboard that cost me $250 that didn't do quite what it was supposed to do, and as a result my linux based computer cannot use their power management function(because it is software based). GIGABYTE's is hardware, and is enabled in BIOS and doesn't care which OS you use. This one hit home for me. My computer is on 24x7, and I wanted my computer to be green. Unfortunately that dream will not be a reality with ASUS hardware.
This again paints a bad picture of the quality work ASUS has been doing lately. I am sure that my next motherboard won't be ASUS. They have lost points with me, and I am going to check out one of the other top tier motherboard companies.
I have never purchased a motherboard from GIGABYTE, but I'm already looking for motherboards for Nahelem when it comes out next month, and I'm not even looking at what ASUS is offering. Bite me once, shame on you. Bite me twice, shame on me!
Reasons for leaving ASUS:
1. Changing your product efficiency % gains after shipping the product for months, AND not changing anything on the product! As if they wouldn't get caught? Competitors are always shopping their other competitors!
2. They fail to mention that EPU REQUIRES Windows to run. I don't care what ASUS says. If it requires software(Windows based at that!), then it's software based. Even if its hardware functions are enabled by using the software.
3. Suing anyone who talks about their bad publicity from GIGABYTE. WTF? Seriously, WTF? That's RIAA type behavior, and I will not tolerate that type of child in my house.
I'm curious about that anti DR-DOS document (Score:4, Interesting)
Is this something recent? Someone have one of these restore CDs to post the text? With the history of bad blood this could be a story in itself
Re:I'm curious about that anti DR-DOS document (Score:4, Informative)
Here is a reference to that [steve-parker.org] but Microsoft made sure the original articles got scrubbed off the Internet. There were things Microsoft did to GEOS, GEM, the Amiga, the Atari ST, Vision, Desqview, etc to discourage OEMS and hardware and software makers from supporting them and only supporting Microsoft products like MS-DOS and Windows instead. Microsoft did the same thing to IBM over OS/2. But most of the articles about that Microsoft had scrubbed off the Internet.
The history of the Amiga [amigahistory.co.uk] clearly shows its 8-bits roots with the Atari 2600 and Atari 400/800 series that evolved into the Amiga eventually, parallel to the Macintosh.
In the 1990's PC OEMS were fighting over the Amiga, but were loyal to Microsoft. But Microsoft used the same tactics against the Amiga that they used against DR-DOS, and killed the Amiga by leveraging what OEMS could and could not do and then Gateway had to sell the Amiga division to make Microsoft happy.
"The press attention to the Microsoft case reveals their relationship with Gateway. Jim Von Holle, a former Gateway employee, describes how the company tried to punish Gateway for the type of software they shipped. Although largely in the background, it became increasingly clear why Gateway chose to develop an alternative to the Windows market. Unfortunately, just a few months later Gateway's relationship with Microsoft regarding their set-top box would have a dramatic effect upon Amiga's plans. Who could have guessed Microsoft would play a major role in the Amigas downfall?"
I have said it before, but my comments got rated down as troll, by rapid Apple and Microsoft fanboys who hate the Amiga. This time I found the links that prove it.
It was not just DR-DOS that Microsoft murdered, but the Amiga as well. Apple had a hand in it by forcing Apple dealers to lose their license if they sold Amiga computers as well as Macintoshes. Then later Apple killed the Apple Dealers and did the store within a store and web store to sell Macintoshes as revenge on Apple dealers that still tried to sell Amiga One and Classic Amiga computers along with Macs.
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