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1TB Blu-Ray Compatible Optical Disc Announced

Posted by timothy on Wed May 28, 2008 12:12 PM
from the many-bytes-many-bits dept.
red_dragon writes "An article on The Register tells the news of an announcement of a new 1TB optical drive and disc that will be backwardly compatible with Blu-ray discs. The technology, developed by Call/Recall in partnership with Nichia, uses a rhodamine-type dye in a 200+-layer recording medium that gives off light when excited by a laser beam, along with a single fluid-filled lens to read multiple layers by varying the amount of fluid to change the focal length. The technology is designed to work with Nichia's blue-violet laser diodes, which are already used in Blu-ray drives."
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  • Typo (Score:2, Informative)

    uses a rhodamine-type dye in a 200+-later recording medium

    Presumably the correct phrase is laser recording medium?
  • Video uses (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Mordok-DestroyerOfWo (1000167) on Wednesday May 28 2008, @12:16PM (#23572847)
    It's hard to imagine a single movie on a 1 TB disc. At first glance it looks like it will make backing up a cinch. But most of my burned CDs and DVDs start flaking after just a couple of years, unless they can make these ultra high capacity formats more archival friendly it's just going to be wasted space.
    • by andrewd18 (989408) on Wednesday May 28 2008, @12:18PM (#23572875)

      It's hard to imagine a single movie on a 1 TB disc.
      Metal Gear Solid 5 will require three of these.
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      more archival friendly
      Well...

      Call/Recall also intends to use the technology for the enterprise market for the archiving of corporate information.
      It would appear that is one of the applications they are aiming at. Since this is WORM I would suspect it would be handy for archival, but not much else - you can only write this stuff once.
          • Re:Video uses (Score:5, Interesting)

            by Vancorps (746090) on Wednesday May 28 2008, @02:31PM (#23574891)

            Blue-ray "Professional" disc is in a caddy format. Nice and bulky, I first saw it and thought "retro!"

            Then I realized how crappy it is to store video on blue-ray for production purposes. It takes so long to get the video off of it that it's pointless.

            My last event produced over 100 blue-ray discs at 25gig each that's not really that much video. It's taken over a week to get it onto the SAN where it is actually useful. 1TB blue-ray might be more worthwhile, we'll see when it comes out.

    • Re:Video uses (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Martin Blank (154261) on Wednesday May 28 2008, @12:55PM (#23573499) Journal
      DVDs are beginning to come up short in backups, but Taiyo-Yuden makes high-quality recordable DVD media that should last you at least a couple of decades if kept in reasonable environments (mostly what you would find in a common home). It's a little more expensive, but it's worth it for backups.
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      I would say, next thing to do, is to break that 1T into 5 x 200G (Which is still plenty of room) and make a RAID 6 type of algorithm to overcome to scratches, and improve the longevity of the disks and resistance to abuse.
      • What peril of backing up to CD/DVD/Blu-ray does the great unwashed just not get?
        • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

          People think they are a 'hard' copy and 'safe' whereas they are 'another' copy and 'unreliable'.
              • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

                Yes, pressed media is more reliable than burned media, but we're talking about back-ups here, not music sales.

                That still doesn't explain what perils these would pose rather than some other option.
              • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

                Even people that have experienced hard disk failure or floppy disk failure think that burned discs simply will not fail. I'm surprised you haven't encountered such attitudes.

                In practice, they're probably right far more often than they are wrong. While it is true that all media are inherently unreliable, magnetic media are particularly unreliable. At least if an optical disc fails, you usually only lose a small portion of the data (unless you break it in half or scratch off the silver layer on a CD-R).

                    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

                      Well, I suspect we will soon see a lot more people (legally) downloading movies instead of buying DVDs. The average person buys something like 15 DVDs per year. If we transition to a download-based delivery system (which is almost inevitable, IMHO), then even at non-HD resolution, you're talking about the average person downloading and storing some 138 gigabytes per year. For an HD movie at 25 GB of content, you're talking about 375 GB per year. :-)

      • Re:Video uses (Score:5, Informative)

        by dgatwood (11270) on Wednesday May 28 2008, @02:41PM (#23575057) Journal

        CD-R discs flake. DVD-R discs have the metal layer between two layers of plastic, so they can't flake (unless you mean the label paint). They can oxidize, but not flake. As a result, DVD-R should be much less susceptible to accidental damage than CD-R media.

  • Ironic (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Anita Coney (648748) on Wednesday May 28 2008, @12:20PM (#23572925)
    That these Blu-ray compatible discs will be primarily used by consumers to store ripped Blu-ray movies.
  • 1TB disc! (Score:5, Funny)

    by jez9999 (618189) on Wednesday May 28 2008, @12:20PM (#23572927) Homepage Journal
    How many libraries of congress could you hold on that?
  • A whole TB and there is STILL not a thing to watch! Seriously. I am more interested in an affordable Blue Ray WRITER for backup. I am sure the typical coach potato will love this but a burner is all that will get the DVDR out of my machine.
  • Speed? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Oxy the moron (770724) on Wednesday May 28 2008, @12:23PM (#23572979)

    100MB/sec? Assuming that the capital "B" is the intent, that means it would take close to 3 hours to write a full 1TB disk. Is that fast enough for most backup applications? I mean, obviously it would be fine for archival purposes, but it doesn't seem practical for daily backups.

    Unless you're doing daily backups of Libraries of Congress, then it should function just fine. :)

    • Is that fast enough for most backup applications? I mean, obviously it would be fine for archival purposes, but it doesn't seem practical for daily backups.

      For home or office use, it'd be great. Do you use your computer 24 hours a day? Three hours is fine. Pop a disk in before you go to bed (or leave the office) and let it go to town.

      • And what advantage would this offer over a hard drive? Cost? I seriously doubt a writer and the disk could be procured for less than the cost of 1TB HDD (around a couple hundred right now, and undoubtedly significantly less by the time this comes out). Personally I don't see the draw for these types of optical storage, other than the mobility of a disk vs. a HDD (which is negligible) What would the advantage to this be? (not trolling, if anyone has any ideas please reply)
    • Moving 1 TB of data is going to take a long ass time no matter what...
      It's like complaining that it takes a long time to move a house without damaging it. Well DUH!
    • Re:Speed? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by H0p313ss (811249) on Wednesday May 28 2008, @12:45PM (#23573343)

      but it doesn't seem practical for daily backups.

      Can you give an example of a competing technology that is practical for backing up 1TB daily? Short of having your own tape/cd burner farm?

    • 100MB/sec? Assuming that the capital "B" is the intent, that means it would take close to 3 hours to write a full 1TB disk. Is that fast enough for most backup applications? I mean, obviously it would be fine for archival purposes, but it doesn't seem practical for daily backups.
      Well you wouldn't have 1TB of data to back up every day in 99% of cases.
    • Re:Speed? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by jellomizer (103300) on Wednesday May 28 2008, @12:52PM (#23573455)
      Lets think of it this way. Being able to burn a CD 7 seconds. Or a double Layered DVD under 2 minutes. Thats pritty fast. As of 2008 Most people do not need a 1TB Drives. Unless it is a backup drive. Waiting 3 hours to burn a terrabyes to Backup your Backup drive doesn't seem to crazy. It often takes longer then then to write to the drive anyways espectially if it is an exernal USB 2 drive, which are normally slow, (but cheap and hold a lot of data)
    • Re:Speed? (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Tadrith (557354) on Wednesday May 28 2008, @12:57PM (#23573535) Homepage
      That would be more than enough speed for backing up, especially at the right price. I have a client who has approximately 7TB of data. It isn't because of wasted space either, but because of the industry they are in. We could perform a full backup say, once a month on the weekend, and that would greatly reduce the disaster recovery time.

      He currently backs up on a "per client" basis on DLT tapes, which is fine, but my own personal nightmare is that everything crashes and we have to restore from the 50+ tapes lying around. Obviously all of this data is on arrays with hot spares and such, but I would be more than happy to have some sort of "interim" solution in the event that somehow, everything blows up.

      Obviously long-term archiving on it may be an issue, but I'm not looking for that so much as I'm looking to have some sort disaster recovery option. Backup systems seem to be falling far behind the amount of data that many companies generate, so much so that we have begun to turn to redundant systems instead. For 1TB, this works great - just have a single IDE drive and back up to that, with tape for long-term, but it gets pricy for larger systems, and it does not have the benefit of being able to be brought off-site. We always recommend that bring their current backup with them each night, so if the building burns down, they still have their data.
  • And I thought I wasted my money buying a HD-DVD writer. Now I've gone and wasted my money on an ordinary Blu-Ray writer.

    Alright, I lied. I didn't buy either of those. In fact, I'm not going to buy this "rhodamine-type" enhanced backwards-compatible Blu-Ray drive, because that will soon be surpassed by a Super-deluxe backwards compatible "rhadamine-type" enhanced backwards-compatible Blu-Ray drive. To think I thought the race was over.
    • And I thought I wasted my money buying a HD-DVD writer. Now I've gone and wasted my money on an ordinary Blu-Ray writer. Alright, I lied. I didn't buy either of those. In fact, I'm not going to buy this "rhodamine-type" enhanced backwards-compatible Blu-Ray drive, because that will soon be surpassed by a Super-deluxe backwards compatible "rhadamine-type" enhanced backwards-compatible Blu-Ray drive. To think I thought the race was over.
      I dunno about you, but I'm still waiting for the dust to settle in the floppy disk wars; hence, I'm still doing my backups on 'datasettes'. BTW--anyone know where I can get these on sale? They're getting mighty expensive these days.
  • 1. Lies
    2. Damn lies
    3. Statistics
    4. Storage products

    But seeing Nichia's name in there gives me hope. (Of course, Charlie Brown had hope every time Lucy held the football for him too.)
  • Yes! (Score:5, Funny)

    by geekmansworld (950281) on Wednesday May 28 2008, @12:33PM (#23573139) Homepage
    All right everyone, the old Blu-Ray is obsolete! See how crappy the puny 1080p looks on your pathetic Sony widescreen? It is time for NEW-RAY.

    Throw out your entire video library once again and embrace NEW-RAY.
    • Re:Yes! (Score:4, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 28 2008, @01:27PM (#23573981)
      Actually it's time for Blu+Ray which is somewhat compatible with Blu-Ray and will play in some Blu-Ray players (just like real Blu-Ray disks). I'm just waiting for the Blu+/-Ray drives now
  • It's the MEDIA (Score:4, Interesting)

    by mandark1967 (630856) on Wednesday May 28 2008, @12:45PM (#23573353) Homepage Journal
    I'm interested in. How reliable and/or affordable will these things become, should the product achieve decent market penetration?

    Zip Drive was a high-priced novelty that achieved just enough marketshare to ruin a lot of people's day with the "click-of-death" issue.

    It's taken years for CDR/DVDR media to become reliable and cheap enough for commonplace usage.

    As has been previously mentioned, reliability is also a major factor to take into account. I want a backup that I can rely on should I need to retrieve information from 10 years ago (at a minimum)

    I have some CDRs that I wrote to in the late 90's (around 1998) that are now becoming unreadable due to "whatever". They are not scratched, nor is the aluminum layer at the top flaking off, yet they are simply unreadable now, so I find myself duplicating CDRs that are still readable "just in case"

    If reliability ratings for the media can surpass normal CDRs by a significant amount, I may be interested in this format, even if the price tag on media is steeper, once mainstream acceptance is achieved.

    Right now though, It's little more than reading a /. blurb and saying, "Hmm...Interesting."

  • My users don't need MORE justification for never deleting anything!
  • I give up. Things are going to change too fast. I can't see myself buying any movies on any physical media. About the only think I see of use anymore is storage media and only if it's cheap (very important).
    I don't even burn CDs/DVDs to give large files (all legal) to people anymore (unless it's to mail). I let them borrow one of many flash drives.

    Yeah I'm not (as just a consumer) investing in $400+ players (or burners) that are going to be superseded in 6 months.
  • by CompMD (522020) on Wednesday May 28 2008, @01:17PM (#23573851)
    ...so more of the same crap? I have tapes the size of my face that still work flawlessly, and actually get used every once in a while for retrieval of archived data. All my server backups are on tape, and all of my cluster backups are on tape. After three years of constantly writing and swapping tapes, I haven't had a single DDS4 tape go bad on me. The number of CD and DVD coasters on the other hand...
    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward
      And for you, only a DVD is required to store your mental state.
    • by goombah99 (560566) on Wednesday May 28 2008, @02:16PM (#23574671)
      Dear Mr, Smith,
      What is the value of information?

      Does the value of information (per bit) decline as we gain the ability to store more information?

      If not then presumably one of these disks ought to be worth a fortune if a Floppy was worth anything. Should they have scratch proof containers?

      since this is not the case, one assumes the value of information to humans is declining with time?

      Does this mean what a given person knows is also declining in value, or are we discarding information from our brains that has less value. If so then why do you still remembers that Speed Racer's little brother's name.

      Eventually we will be able to store the neural state of any human. At that point if someone were to invent a method of reading out this state it could be recorded onto a Disk and preserved after death. Like Cryonics this disk would then await a time in the distanct future when the neural state could be restored from the disk to clone or simulated human.

      Actually, that was just the long winded way of explaining to you Mr Smith that when we were restoring you from your disk we noticed a small scratch on made by an heir you stiffed in your will. We're pretty sure the amount of information loss is small however, though were not sure what it might have been.

      Sorry for the inconvenience and thank you for selecting TotalRecall. Your bill will be in the ether.

    • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 28 2008, @01:22PM (#23573913)
      Nope.

      For a pressed DVD, a master is etched, and is then used to physically press the pits into the substrate. The depth of these pits (1/4 wavelength) causes destructive interference when the beam hits a pit, and constructive interference when it hits a land. (1/4 wavelength in + 1/4 wavelength out = 1/2 wavelength out of phase with the rest of the beam reflecting off the surrounding substrate)
      This is pretty much permanent, provided your media doesn't disintegrate.

      For a burned DVD, a photosensitive dye is activated by the writing laser. This activated dye simply absorbs the beam that hits a "pit", while the unactivated dye allows the beam to reflect off the substrate behind, when it hits a "land".
      Over time, this dye can degrade such that the unactivated dye slowly activates (either spontaneously or in reaction to ambient light), or that the activated dye slowly deactivates for the same reason (much like a photo left in the sun).

      One of the reasons that "archive quality" disks are more expensive is that they use a higher quality dye which takes longer to degrade.
    • The nice thing about "mechanical" storage (since when was optical storage "mechanical") is that it is cheap. The amount of storage space on a hard drive has more than outpaced Moore's Law. Optical media hasn't quite kept up with that sort of spectacular growth, but there have been significant advances there too. In my eyes, anything that promises cheaper (in terms of $/GB) storage can only be a GOOD THING.