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What Are the Best Laptop Theft Recovery Measures?
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on Sat Apr 19, 2008 06:40 PM
from the eternal-vigilance dept.
from the eternal-vigilance dept.
BarlowBrad writes "Yesterday my house was broken into and among other things two laptops were stolen. Getting past the feeling of violation, I am looking to the future and how to both prevent theft and recover computers should it happen again. I have found various services that claim to track and recover stolen laptops such as LoJack for Laptops, Computrace, GadgetTrak and Undercover, but I (obviously) have no experience with any of them. I also know that Intel will be coming out with a new anti-theft technology chip, but that isn't supposed to come out until the fourth quarter and I'll be replacing the laptops before then. Does Slashdot have a recommendation between these services or suggestions for another?" Read on for a related question about automating this process.
BarlowBrad continues: "I have also wondered if there is a 'home brew' solution that I could cook up myself. I'm not an elite programmer, but I am somewhat computer savvy and open to ideas. At least one of the replacement laptops will have to be a Windows machine, but the other may be a Mac or run Linux, so ideally I'd want a solution for multiple platforms. Perhaps a script that sends an email with the IP address every time the computer connects to the internet? Or is there already something out there like that in the Open Source community?"
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Explosives... (Score:2, Informative)
For Your Eyes Only [imdb.com] I think.
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I was thinking more like embedded impalers. You put your hands over the keyboard and it reads your prints using sensors in every key. If you don't match, it gives a warning beep, and if you don't discontinue use, five seconds later, steel spikes shoot up from between the keys and impale your hands. The spikes may be tipped with a poison of your choice if so desired....
But seriously, no theft protection system will really work. The best you can do is encrypt anything you don't want anyone else to get t
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First, I've got an independent insurance policy on my computers to cover the cost of any stolen hardware. This is important for the following steps.
Second, I keep a repository of my data in at least two locations. The primary location is a 'server' in my home that is nothing more than a disk on the LAN. The second location is a pair of USB/Firewire hard disks that I rotate between work and home roughly every week (whenever I feel like it, really).
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Again though, you're screwed if they wipe the drive first...
Dynamic IP script (Score:5, Interesting)
Dynamic Waste of Time (Score:5, Informative)
Recent products like Computrace/LoJack (same product, different brands) can be installed in the BIOS so a disk wipe doesn't affect them. The catch is that it has to be installed at the factory, so you have to buy the security software (and an annual subscription) when you buy a new laptop. Also, it isn't that hard to reflash a BIOS....
I shouldn't need to point out that you should also have a bare-metal recovery backup. In fact, that's probably more important than any anti-theft measure: paying $1K for a new laptop hurts, but not as much as losing all the work that's on your laptop. A bare-metal solution spares you the hassle of re-installing all your applications and re-applying all the customizations we geeks love to do.
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Re:Dynamic Waste of Time (Score:5, Informative)
One thing we found out from experience is you want to followup with Absolute and make sure the machine is calling in daily, or whenever it's on (it tries once a day). If the machine is stolen but it hasn't been called in for 30 days or more, the recovery guarantee is not in place. They'll still try and recover it, but they won't give you the $1000 or whatever if it's not found. Also, you have the option to void the recovery guarantee and instead have a "data delete" option, so that any sensitive data on the machine is wiped with the hard drive.
I've never seen a statistic on wiping the BIOS, but I'd be willing to be it'd be more difficult than beneficial. Besides, if someone's going to be so thorough to wipe the BIOS, they know the software is on there, and will be taking steps to avoid it getting it's beacon out to the net.
Disclaimer: I have no relationship with Absolute (Computrace) other than I am a paying customer.
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And then what? (Score:4, Insightful)
It could be a good idea to hide a little DYNDNS update routine on each of one's computers (and thankfully DYNDNS will even give you multiple IDs that you can update, so you can have a different one for each computer). But I'll want to see a lot more positive feedback by people who did this or similar things before I will think it's very likely to be helpful. Now if you had a GPS in that laptop and sent out it's coordinates when updating, you might be able to do yourself a lot more good (unfortunately, GPS doesn't work well indoors).
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Before it gets stolen, set it up so it maps a port w/ upnp by default to give you remote access. Get access to it late one night, fire up an email client and send a few emails, such as
To: president@whitehouse.gov, chiefofpolice@city.state.us, someone@localfbifieldoffice.gov
Subject: time to die motherfucker!
data: I'm using a stolen laptop and a router so you can't t
since they're connecting through a wireless router (Score:3, Insightful)
Maybe I'm missing something, but that makes no sense at all to me.
Wireless seems to have nothing to do with it, any time that you connect through a wired or wireless router connection you get a local NAT IP address. But the DYNDNS updating that was discussed in the post that I responded to is still valid; it registers the public IP address of the connection, not some private address. Traceroute will n
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That said, I have a friend who's LoJack secured laptop was stolen. He was under the impression that his computer was guaranteed up to $1,000 because it had LoJack on it. Turns out that since the thief didn't connect it to the internet within 30 days of stealing it, the guarantee didn't app
Get Creative (Score:5, Funny)
Dude, the scumbag just stole your laptop. Get creative. Instead of just having the a bot or something send you an email so you can identify them, go this route. Have it send an email to a bunch of
ALLAH ALLAH!!! I want to NUCLEAR BOMB the white house!!! I have a sleeper cell that already has a plan in place to kidnap beautiful AMERICAN CHILDREN and teach them ISLAM!!! DEATH TO GEORGE BUSH!!!
You could add in whatever else you feel like. That stuff was just off the top of my head.
Re:Get Creative (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:Get Creative (Score:4, Funny)
Also copy some Arabic text. It doesn't matter what, since very few of our intrepid warriors against terrorism speak any foreign languages. The text could say, "Gilligan's Island reruns (dubbed in Arabic) will appear on Tripoli TV Thursdays at 6" and it will still come across as a hate message from Osama himself.
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Re:Get Creative (Score:4, Interesting)
If the thief is any good in his trade, instead of leaving his fingerprints all over the notebook he should place it in a bag and deliver directly to a reseller of such goods. The said reseller knows what to do - to immediately format the HDD, for example. Or, if the reseller is smart, to boot from a CD and make a backup, then explore the contents using a different OS. In either case, none of owner's scripts will run.
The best practice I could think of is to set up a full disk encryption, and a BIOS password, just to make those guys work hard (and in vain) if they want to get to your data or even to resell the laptop. But once they have your hardware, they will keep it or trash it if it's too much trouble; the owner won't be getting it back.
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Nonstandard Look might help (Score:4, Interesting)
Better Sticker: (Score:5, Insightful)
If found contact: 123-456-7890"
If you are savy enough, hack BIOS to display the same message at boot time (some BIOSes allow you to add your own images - thats one way, or add message to MBR)
Better yet, on boot print "GPS position is acquired and transmitted."
Probably won't get your laptop back, but may mess with their heads and make them wonder if they are being tracked by hardware.
-Em
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So the perp steals the computer, goes to some other location, boots it up (presumably), sees your message and.. for the sake of argument, let's say he really believes that the GPS position is acquired and transmitted.
The perp will then do what?
A. yawn and sell it to a perp with higher tech skills to either determine whether it's fake or take out the GPS module / etc.
B. freak out and toss the c
DIY solution (Score:4, Interesting)
b) write a cronjob/Scheduled Task to shoot a ping at some IP address you control periodically whenever IP connectivity is present.
This will only work if your computer appears to be usable by a thief without wiping the OS. If the thief is dumb, he'll at least try and get on the Internet with it, and then you can swoop in and pwn him.
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Laptops are used via wireless connections 95% of the time.
Wireless routers do not have inward connections enabled by default. Your ssh and vnc are firewalled by the router.
If they steal your laptop, chances are they will steal bandwidth, and all your pings do is locate an innocent if not somewhat clueless neighbor, or the coffee shop the thief is parked near.
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Recovery, Not. Denial, Maybe. (Score:5, Interesting)
You can't get them to stop crime in progress, let alone last week's crime.
Denial of use of stolen laptops is the best bet. Not only denial of access to the data, but denial of use of the hardware, or making it very expensive and suspect when trying to get a stolen box running.
This means encrypting drives, biometric readers, or any number of additional features, most of which are expensive, some of which do impose a hurdle for the thief.
Encrypted drives are becoming mainstream and easily affordable, and generally do work to keep your data safe.
But none of this will prevent you from losing the box to a thief. They will steal it anyway, even if they dump it in the trash because they can't make it work.
Sending an email with an IP does nothing. Installing dyndns.org IP updater software would work just a well. It leaves a record in a remote place, but savvy thief would know how to erase that, just as they would know how to prevent your email from going out.
Even if you find the IP of the stolen box, the ISP will need a court order to reveal the location to you. Good luck with that. Cops won't take action. They will tell you to file an insurance claim and move on.
Side note: Thieves are seldom savvy. If they had any brains they would get a less risky job. So chances of them disabling any counter measures are fairly slim.
Re:Recovery, Not. Denial, Maybe. (Score:5, Insightful)
One example computrace boasts is the chop shop that was inadvertantly raided thanks to a computrace recovery.
Besides, Computrace makes it easy on the cops. they get directions to the loot. No real investigative hassle on thier part.
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Re:Recovery, Not. Denial, Maybe. (Score:4, Insightful)
In the longer run it will make sense to have a dedicated service provider who has existing contacts within law enforcement.
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Re:Recovery, Not. Denial, Maybe. (Score:4, Insightful)
Thievery is an industry. The car thief doesn't keep the car and drive it himself, or park it in his front yard with a "for sale" sign. He sells it to a chop shop. And the chop shop guys don't even tell the thief where the chop shop is to drive it to- they tell the thief to meet them in a vacant lot somewhere, and they bring an oxy-acetylene torch and a pair of ramps with them and locate and fry a lojack and disable Onstar before they take the car.
Thieves who steal laptops don't have to be "savvy" to bypass your counter-measures, they just have to be not dumb-as-a-rock. Why? Because thieves use division of labor, like in any other line of work. The thief never turns the laptop on, they take it to the back room of the pawn shop that they know deals in stolen goods. They'll buy the laptop off the thief for "a steal" compared to it's used price on Ebay. The pawn shop guy probably won't turn it on either, he'll resell it (with a markup) to a guy he knows who's professionally in the business of stripping and cleaning stolen computers for resale. That guy'll ebay it or even resell it again to another pawn shop or another ebayer, or even sell stacks of computers in "surplus lots" to ebayers or such.
Sure, some thieves are just plain dumber than a box of hammers, and are desperate and stupid with no connections, and they'll just open your laptop and play around with it, and trip any system you've got. Some thieves who stole laptops started using the email account and email address of the previous owner out of ignorance. But most stolen laptops are stolen by thieves who know how to fence goods. You can't assume your laptop will be handled incompetently because the guy who swiped it is a moron any more than you can assume McDonalds is poorly run because some random fry jockey's shoe size is higher than his IQ.
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Re:Recovery, Not. Denial, Maybe. (Score:4, Insightful)
Or? OR ???
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Layers of security (Score:5, Interesting)
The first and most obvious layer is physical access. Don't leave your laptop visible in your car when you park. Lock your office doors. Don't leave it at a coffee house when you go to the bathroom.
The second is physical security. Invest in a laptop leash and chain it down if you work in a shared office space environment.
The third layer is physical deterrence. Customize the heck out of your computer. A big engraved security mark (be it your driver's license #, your name, your cell #, your email address, whatever) will turn off thieves. Same if you've got anything else that's obviously unique and can't easily be removed.
The fourth layer is electronic deterrence. A boot password and a screensaver password will deter unskilled theives. There are plenty of skilled thieves who plan to reformat the drives, but a few will be deterred by not being able to sell the laptop on the corner without a password. (If you don't believe me, hang out in midtown NYC long enough and you can get offers to sell hot laptops in the $100 range).
The fifth layer is tracking. Things like LoJack and all the other services. If they boot your laptop it'll contact the network and you can at least have a shot at getting it back. (Note, some of these are not compatible with a boot password). Of course, record your Windows serial # (if you run Windows) and your Dell quick service code (if you use a Dell) or the equivalent for your system. These are uploaded.
The sixth layer is luck. Sometimes people catch theives by webcam, sometimes by stupid emails, sometimes by pure random encouters. You gotta get lucky.
No one of these layers is sufficient and it's silly to talk about LoJack for Laptops if you leave your laptop sitting in the open for somebody to grab it. LoJack is most useful to break open crime rings, not to actually get your laptop back -- by the time the police get around to subpoenaing the ISPs your laptop is gone, but the thieves might not be. I run it, but I don't expect it to save my butt.
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Although in total vioation of any nation's law, it seems to me a screecher should help. This is a simple one-shot transmitter that blasts a signal for as long as the power lasts at a cle
Computrace (Score:5, Informative)
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It's call insurance, works great and runs under OSX, Windows and linux!
as for the data, If it's important why is it not encrypted? also why did you not set the bios password? 99% of the time that foils a thief hard and will even make the pawn shops refuse it.
the other thing I do is have engraved on the cover and under the battery.
"THIS LAPTOP IS STOLEN FROM LUMPY. THIS IS STOLE
SETI (Score:3, Interesting)
Undercover (Orbicule) (Score:5, Interesting)
Now why would I buy this? (Score:5, Interesting)
One computer was brand-new (MPC/Gateway M685), the other just over a year old (MPC/Gateway E475). The first one they claim was "accidentally" activated at the factory, the second got a motherboard replacement that had this little program "activated" from its prior owner.
The sales rep at MPC/Gateway got the Absolute/Computrace rep on the phone and they both claim that it isn't a virus. Okay, fine, it doesn't self-replicate. Seems to fit darn near every other part of the definition! Their tech-support guy ordered the two computers to disable their BIOS component and uninstall, which THEY DID! The files in C:\Windows\System32 vanished before my eyes.
They were back the next day.
Gateway/MPC doesn't seem to understand my frustration. We spend so much time and money securing our computers and making sure they run only the software we WANT them to run. Now you want me to feel safe with a BIOS-level program that copies itself to FAT32/NTFS partitions and tricks Windows OSes into executing it? This same program that calls a 3rd party and requests instructions? I know of only three instructions it can accept, but what if there are others? ("Stolen, check in every 15 minutes", "Stolen, wipe hard drive", "Disable and uninstall" we know of)
I asked how they secure the disk-wiping function and was not impressed with the answer. They use an RSA token to verify that the right customer called in. I said 'Ok, what about the link to the computer? Is it signed or encrypted?' No answer, they just went back to the RSA token.
Heck, we have BlackBerries that can wipe themselves on remote command but RIM makes a big deal of how the communications are encrypted between the BB and my server. I know that J. Random Cracker isn't going to trick my BB into nuking itself. But what if he spoofs "search.namequery.com" and returns the code for "Nuke HD"? Will their little 200kb program accept the order?
I read that someone found and disabled Computrace/Absolute's BIOS code in a firmware dump and then re-flashed his machine. If I can't pull that off with Gateway/MPC I will have to recommend that we find a vendor that does NOT pre-infect the computers we purchase.
*grumble*
It's too bad that Lojack for Laptops isn't (Score:5, Informative)
The real Lojack system, for cars, predates the Internet and GPS. It's pretty good. About 90% of Lojack-equipped cars are recovered when stolen. When you buy Lojack, an installer comes out and installs a little box somewhere on your car. You don't know where, and they have many alternative locations. It gets power from the car, so it keeps itself charged.
The unit finds an FM broadcast station with the Lojack subcarrier and listens for a message with its serial number. If your car is stolen in an area with Lojack coverage (which includes most major US cities), a police stolen car report is copied to Lojack's computers, which then tell the subcarrier transmitter at the broadcast stations to start broadcasting messages with the unit's serial number. The unit in the car then starts emitting a beacon signal.
Lojack has good integration with big-city police departments. They equip police cars with Lojack receivers at Lojack's expense. Any Lojack receiver that's emitting turns on indicators in police cars, showing direction and approximate range. When you see a police car with four antennas in a square on the roof, that car has a Lojack receiver.
In Los Angeles, the LAPD's air force, both rotary and fixed-wing, has Lojack receivers. This has resulted in some dramatic stolen car recoveries. [wsati.org] Cops like the system, because not only do they get cars back, they often find someone they want driving the stolen car.
But "Lojack for Laptops" doesn't use that system. It just reports IP addresses when the unit connects to the Internet. A company called Absolute Software seems to have just licensed the Lojack name; it's apparently not part of Lojack Corporation at all.
Avoid US Airports (Score:5, Interesting)
I am however scared that at an US airport, or at the airport of some other repressive regime, I may be forced to hand over my laptop, and then detained for not providing the decryption password. Keep in mind that if I am forced to reveal the contents of my laptop, that I can be sued by shareholders (for leaking IP) and business partners (for breaking NDA), I can lose my business relationships and hence my income, and I potentially be charged for breaking EU (and other) directives on data protection.
The problem is that I work extensively with banks and I cannot allow banking data to be leaked, nor can I allow sensitive and very valuable corporate IP to be given to potential competitors of a country that I am visiting or passing through.
Unfortunately, I need to have all of the IP on the laptop, since I often work on the data-centers of various banks worldwide, behind all of the firewalls, and these data-centers do not typically allow any type of Internet access. In addition, I would not feel safe putting 100% of the corporate IP and banking data on a public Internet server in my office, just so I can remote download 200GB or so onto a blank laptop, using a slow and/or expensive hotel Internet connection, everytime I fly, just so I can work in a remote location.
It is bad enough that countries (US, UK, Japan,
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Keep in mind that if I am forced to reveal the contents of my laptop, that I can be sued by shareholders (for leaking IP) and business partners (for breaking NDA), I can lose my business relationships and hence my income, and I potentially be charged for breaking EU (and other) directives on data protection.
1. IP/NDA leaks: Police authority trumphs contracts. If the police comes with a warrant to tap your phone line, do you think the phone company will point to their privacy policy and say they can't have it? Make sure you get it in writing that you have informed them of the confidentiality of the information and has been compelled, not volunteered this information and let them have it.
2. Loss of business or income implies that the police department must have leaked the data. Sue the hell out of them.
3. Incon
Best home theft deterrent? (Score:5, Insightful)
Dogs.
Not necessarily big, but loud. Most fucksticks who want your stuff don't want to deal with dogs, as there are far easier pickings right down the road. We have three. Homes have been broken into on either side of me, multiple times. I don't believe it's luck. Two border collies and a lab are simply a wrench in the works of a simple-minded shithead.
Believe me, someone wants in your house badly enough, no number of dogs, alarms, etc. will stop them. But the chances of someone wanting your stuff that badly are probably nil, and if they are willing to kill your dogs to get your stuff, they'll probably kill you too.
Dogs are the ticket. Think about it.
Get a Cheap Laptop (Score:3, Informative)
British's laptop theft prevention tactic (Score:4, Funny)
I've had zero SSNs on my laptops, and they have never been stolen out of my car nor home.
Just a little tip from your uncle 'der!
Dual strategy (Score:3, Informative)
The
2) make the laptop unattractive to thieves
Have your name and address engraved on several parts of the housing and lid. Or have some metal or plastic tags engraved and bond them securely to case and lid (or even to the screen). This will make the tags impossible to remove without replacing the case (or the lcd). This will make the laptop harder to resell.
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Want to click, want to click! The link glitters in my monitor. Maybe there are diamonds or a goatse! Want to click, want to click!
PARENT POST LINKS TO MALWARE (Score:4, Informative)
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Re:Laptop Stolen by Baggage Handlers (Score:5, Funny)
http://www.ebay.com/ [ebay.com]
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Re:Laptop Stolen by Baggage Handlers (Score:4, Interesting)
Because then he can't tell that his bags have been searched. The very idea of the TSA lock is laughable, it's the TSA baggage handlers that we need to protect our luggage from. They have the same trustworthiness as the police. Most of them do their jobs well enough. There are a few who abuse their positions in big or small ways and the rest look the other way because they "have to watch out for their own" or they don't want to "snitch".
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