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Meet the Laptop of 2015

Posted by Zonk on Wed Mar 26, 2008 02:22 PM
from the o-hai-laptop dept.
cweditor writes "Like concept cars at auto shows, the computer industry designs 'concept notebooks' to imagine the machines of the future. The 'concepts' may not come to market as-is, but it's likely some of their ideas, components and features will. Take a look at systems you might be using in 7 years. In one, a touch-sensitive screen acts as the system's keyboard and mouse, allowing you to slide your finger across the screen to immediately shut off the display and keep what you're working on confidential. Their associated image gallery includes a prototype for a dual-screen laptop."
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  • That's nothing new (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Minwee (522556) <dcr@neverwhen.org> on Wednesday March 26 2008, @02:24PM (#22872730) Homepage
    I have a "concept model" of a dual screen laptop. It fits in my hand and can play Mario Bros.
    • by Brian Gordon (987471) on Wednesday March 26 2008, @02:29PM (#22872792)
      The difference is that it's a gaming machine, not anything that matters. The dual screen is a terr-rrr-rrr-rrr-ible idea and it will never be on a successful laptop.
      • You mean until it is successful, right?

        With vibration, haptic advances, visual, and audio feedback, what is wrong with a second touch sensitive screen as the keyboard?

        Then when you don't need it as a keyboard, it can become a tool-kit, palette, and any other interface you need.
        • by Allador (537449) on Wednesday March 26 2008, @04:18PM (#22874260)
          Using a touch-screen as a keyboard is a terrible idea, and only good for very casual users.

          For the typical road-warrior that totes a laptop around, you need a keyboard that you can type on without having to look at it.

          Touch screens work adequately for systems like the iPhone where you need to be looking at the display anyway, but are useless on a laptop where you need to be able to type quickly and move on and off the keyboard without having to look at it all the time.

                • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

                  Why should we type?

                  Because, you [bleep], typing on a keyboard is the fastest and most efficient way to get stuff into a computer.

                  then you draw them

                  You can type any letter or number far faster than you can draw it.

                  hand writing

                  Even if hand writing, or drawing recognition was 100%, you can still type a lot faster than you can write. Not to mention you can type for far longer than you can write without tiring.

                  All of these alternate input ideas are bottom line stupid. You can type stuff faster into a computer than you could speak it. If voice recognition wa

      • by Raineer (1002750) on Wednesday March 26 2008, @03:10PM (#22873320)
        No sane computer user would ever have two monitors on one desk, and 640k is enough for anyone.
    • by edalytical (671270) on Wednesday March 26 2008, @02:32PM (#22872824) Homepage Journal
      And it runs Linux [dslinux.org]! Not to sound like a snob, but I own two because not enough of my friends own their own.
    • by JSBiff (87824) on Wednesday March 26 2008, @02:53PM (#22873074) Journal
      I've always thought the idea of dual screens on the Gameboy DS was a bit of a strange idea. I mean, why not just use one screen that is twice as big? Then, games that want to use a 'dual screen' concept can always split the screen in half and draw one set of stuff to one half, and another set of stuff to the other half. But, other games can use it as a single, large screen.

      I personally think it probably comes down to cost - it's cheaper for Nintendo to buy two smaller screens than a single large screen. My understanding of LCD technology is that, apparently, it's difficult to grow the crystals without bad pixels, so that as the screens get larger, they rapidly get more expensive, because it's decreasingly likely that you'll get an LCD panel of a particular size without flaws - so all the flawed ones either get thrown away, or maybe they can cut them down to smaller displays (that is, cut out the bad part and end up with 1 or 2 smaller panels) and sold more cheaply at the small size?

      Anyhow - *my* laptop of the future has a simple white (or neutral color) flap onto which a display can be projected, and the flap can be folded under the laptop when I want to project onto another surface, like a projection screen or white wall. That is, a laptop with built-in projector, not an LCD. (I suppose, ultimately, for power consumption purposes, you'll never have a projector built in, because it would take too much energy to run, but I can dream, right?)
      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        (I suppose, ultimately, for power consumption purposes, you'll never have a projector built in, because it would take too much energy to run, but I can dream, right?)

        Never is a really long time...advances in battery capability (or the replacement of what we call a battery by some other power source) coupled with advances in projector technology (ie http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2704,2242734,00.asp [pcmag.com] ) may make this possible, perhaps sooner rather than later.
      • by Amouth (879122) on Wednesday March 26 2008, @03:07PM (#22873282)
        well if you use a large incedecent murcury bulb then yea.. it isn't going to happen.. but if you use some of the new laser projector tech . then it is more than possiable..

        http://www.audioholics.com/news/editorials/laser-projectors-coming-to-cell-phones-and-pdas [audioholics.com]
          • I got to thinking about it more, and while my point is generally correct. I also realize that, perhaps in the DS' specific case, the advantage of having two screens is that they are built into seperate housings that are jointed, so you can flip the screen down for storage (much like a laptop design), but my basic point is that, outside of doing something like that, there is usually no inherent advantage to having multiple physically seperated screens, when you can just logically partition a single screen a
            • there is usually no inherent advantage to having multiple physically seperated screens, when you can just logically partition a single screen as necessary.

              The dual screens reduces processing power needs. The 2D hardware on the DS requires far, far less power than the 3D hardware, and is also much cheaper to make. The DS design has 2 2D engines and 1 3D engine. Doing one screen would've required bumping up the power of the 3D engine substantially, and probably would require more RAM as well.
          • "It would take precisely *no additional space* to have instead used one screen that was say 3x6 inches."

            except for that nasty crack in the screen when you try to fold it over =/
  • by stoolpigeon (454276) * <bittercode@gmail> on Wednesday March 26 2008, @02:25PM (#22872738) Homepage Journal
    You insensitive clod!
  • by jandrese (485) <kensama@vt.edu> on Wednesday March 26 2008, @02:28PM (#22872778) Homepage Journal
    Apparently in the future the idea of tactile feedback is dead and everybody just types on glass screens like in the movies. Presumably these laptop designers have not actually tried that themselves to see just how much people actually like typing on a piece of glass with no cues at to where the keys are.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      My fingers land right on the middle of the keys; there's no fumbling around the edges until I get good purchase on the middle and finally press it. I'd have no problem with no tactile feedback, though it would be really hard to type without looking at the screen.
      Also come on, really? We have an article [slashdot.org] on the front page about how stupid futurism is and then a futurist article. Trying to appeal to everyone I see. Anyway it's not like all of that has interest to anybody except the PC World grandpa crowd; I'm
      • My fingers land right on the middle of the keys
        How much of that's because you're constantly getting the feedback of knowing whether you hit the center or slightly off center? At least for me, the tactile feedback keeps my typing from getting sloppy. Tactile feedback is making a big comeback in cars and I expect to see it stay in laptops.
    • Since the 50s there have been auto show cars that drive by a joystick, but they never come out. Why? Because the current design works well. A sliding screen you can't adjust for glare? A keyboard with no feedback? To succeed it has to be more than cool, it has to be better. (Or at least not worse)
    • by jellomizer (103300) on Wednesday March 26 2008, @02:46PM (#22872986)
      Tactile feedback is kinda overrated. I have an iPhone and I like it. Even typing is fairly easy...(for the small space). Even for a full laptop I doubt that the lack of tactile feedback will be a major problem in the long run. You just have to get use to it. It is funny the Technology Croud who is working with one of the fastes areas of change are often the most resistant to it.
    • by plumby (179557) on Wednesday March 26 2008, @02:47PM (#22873014)
      There's been plenty of research into tactile touchscreens already (Nokia seem to think they're on to something [redferret.net]). I'm sure there will be more within the next 7 years.
    • by kebes (861706) on Wednesday March 26 2008, @02:50PM (#22873044) Journal
      Agreed. Typing on rigid, flat surfaces is painful and inefficient.

      Which is why a combination of the concepts presented in the article would be far more attractive than any of them separately (I'm surprised the author of the piece didn't pick up on this): One of the laptops is billed as being "for blind people" because the surface can deform to generate bumps that the blind can read. The rest of the laptops have flat touch-screens for keyboards. Which is great for dynamic layouts but sucks for typing.

      But combining them would be amazing. Imagine a keyboard that can reconfigure not only what is displayed on each key (like the Optimus), but also the keys themselves. If this "surface deformation" technology was good enough (and could be integrated with flexible displays) then you could have a surface that acts as a flat screen some of the time (for reading e-books, as a drawing pad, etc.) but generates the tactile relief of keys when typing is required.

      More generally, it could reconfigure to generate new keyboard layouts as required. This would also solve one of the criticisms with the iPhone and iPod touch: you can't operate them without looking directly at the keys. Imagine if in addition to visual changes on the screen, there were bumps and grooves that dynamically appeared so that by touch alone you could feel the current key layout.

      This, to me, is the ultimate future for compact computing devices: we will have screens that can vary both display and topography. Of course the technology to do this will be difficult to "get right" (key topography is only half of typing: you need the keys to "spring" properly)... but there is nothing impossible in principle about having deformable surfaces with integrated flexible displays.
    • by cbreaker (561297) on Wednesday March 26 2008, @02:55PM (#22873088) Journal
      As much as people keep going on about their iPhones, you need tactile feedback to type at any speed, and to do it without looking. These screens might work okay for an occasional use notebook but not as a general purpose business machine.

      Not only do normal keyboards provide an excellent method of interfacing with a computer, they also cushion the fingers as you type so you don't experience pain and pressure by tapping away at a hard surface all day.

      It looks pretty as a rendered image, but functionally I'd never own a computer for regular use that didn't have a normal keyboard - unless you could speak to the computer as you would in Star Trek land.
      • My biggest issue with voice activation technology is not the recognition. I have a voice activated mobile phone that understands my commands quite readily. I work in an office with two other people in close proximity; a trio of voice activated computers would be a nightmare of mis-heard or mis-interpreted commands. Though it will doubtless undergo many changes in years to come, the keyboard will remain the primary input method for a very long time to come, especially when there are people that can type fast
  • Speaking about dual screens, it'd be really nice if someone would make a 17" LCD monitor with a folding base for use as a 2nd screen for a multimedia notebook. Just keep it in the bag when on the road and only set it up when you need it.
  • Wrong. (Score:3, Insightful)

    by youthoftoday (975074) on Wednesday March 26 2008, @02:30PM (#22872808) Homepage Journal
    Given those concept graphics none of those will be my laptop of the future. I won't be using anything with a 'start' button.
  • by spazdor (902907) on Wednesday March 26 2008, @02:30PM (#22872812)
    This concept art all looks like my first-year 3d design projects. Are they developing new plastics that will automatically produce lens-flares against any light source available? God, I hope so.
  • by brennanw (5761) * on Wednesday March 26 2008, @02:33PM (#22872836) Homepage
    ... it looks like the laptops of the future all have crappy keyboards.

    It's the whole "gee, look, with touch-sensitive screens we can paint a keyboard on the screen that you can use instead of an actual keyboard!"

    How the heck are you supposed to touch-type on something that gives you no tactile response?
  • by Toreo asesino (951231) on Wednesday March 26 2008, @02:35PM (#22872878) Journal
    Is it just me that hates the idea of a touch screen keyboard? I like feeling keys bounce back; it's not healthy for your fingers to not have some cushioning at the very least.
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      Actually I believe it is the movement of the fingers that causes carpel tunnel syndrome. If you can reduce the movement needed to type then you may reduce that problem.

      Then again by 2015 it would be REALLY nice if there would be some decent voice recognition too. I think the best situation is to have a variety of input devices available and to switch around as the need/mood strike you.
  • From TFA:
    The Siafu concept notebook, designed for the blind by Jonathan Lucas, omits a display altogether. Images from applications and Web sites are converted into corresponding 3-D shapes on Siafu's surface. It can be used for reading a Braille newspaper, feeling the shape of someone's face..."

    Think of the possibilities!
    Oh how the Slashdot crowd would love to get their hands on one of these... literally
  • by TripMaster Monkey (862126) on Wednesday March 26 2008, @02:37PM (#22872894)
    A whole bunch of "futuristic" designs, and not one that utilizes a flexible LCD.

    With a flexible LCD that rolls up when not in use, coupled with a flexible keyboard that likewise rolls up, one can escape (at least partially), the limiting factor of computer design...that is, having a system that a human can interface with comfortably.
  • by Overzeetop (214511) on Wednesday March 26 2008, @02:39PM (#22872914) Journal
    FTFS: "allowing you to slide your finger across the screen to immediately shut off the display and keep what you're working on confidential"

    Will it automatically hide the box of kleenex and bottle of hand lotion, too?
  • The Cario concept notebook from Anna Lopez can be carried around by its handle, positioned like an easel or placed on a car's steering wheel.
    Clearly drivers of the future need even more distractions while they are driving.
  • Worst ideas ever (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Sciros (986030) on Wednesday March 26 2008, @02:45PM (#22872984) Journal
    Seriously, the people who came up with this stuff are completely unimaginative and idiotic. Tactile feedback for typing is almost a necessity given you *don't f-ing look at the keyboard while typing*!! The only "future laptop" with some actual touch feedback they showed was the oily blob, which I don't even know how to approach. If I want to replace my laptop with an oily blob, I'll gain 200 pounds and sit on the table myself.

    The one that turns into a book viewer if you turn it 90 degrees is a total joke. Seriously, take your laptop right now, turn it 90 degrees so that the break between the two "halves" is vertical, and tell me that's a comfortable way to handle reading material. Unless it's laying flat on the table (in which case it better be quite small) it's completely unmanageable.

    The one they showed slung over the steering wheel of a car, that's just bad. BAD BAD BAD! Hey guys, here's a piece of crap with a touch-screen keyboard you have to stare at in order to use that you can hang right on your steering wheel! And then what, drive and type? That looks like the most uncomfortable thing ever even if you're parked.

    I give all these "laptops of the future" an EPIC FAIL out of 10.
  • by geophile (16995) <jao@ g e o p h i l e.com> on Wednesday March 26 2008, @02:56PM (#22873102) Homepage
    What I want is my 1TB USB keychain (or iphone) to have my favorite OS, apps, and all my data, and to be able to plug it into CPU/keyboard/mouse/display/diskless/OSless stations in airplanes, cafes, hotels, etc.

    The various Linux-on-a-thumbdrive distributions and products are a step in the right direction. What we really need now is for vendors to design stations that these doodads can plug into.
    • You only think that's what you want, until you realize that somebody will have been on the hardware before you and set up a virtualization environment which looks like you own the hardware, but is quietly logging your keystrokes and mining your sensitive data.
    • Are you nuts? You're going to trust airlines, cafes and hotels to provide properly-working computers to plug your USB keychain into?

      There's a reason everyone carries a whole computer around with them now, instead of just relying on businesses to provide sharable computers. When such things have been tried in the past, it's been a disaster: the computers weren't well set-up, were infected with viruses, didn't work right, didn't have the software people needed, and worse, had an enormous per-minute charge t
        • Ok, but I want the brain of my laptop to look an awful lot like a thumbdrive, so that when I get home, I can plug it into my TV, and also use it on trusted hardware in other locations.

          That's the crux of the problem right there. You're going to trust the hardware at some public place where anyone and everyone has been messing with it? Even if the CPU is in your USB key, you're going to trust that someone hasn't installed a keylogger to capture your passwords? It's bad enough that we share wireless interne
  • by OglinTatas (710589) on Wednesday March 26 2008, @03:05PM (#22873232)
    Cario, I think # 4 in the image gallery...

    If you thought idiots talking on cell phones while driving were dangerous, wait until you get next to some jerk using the convenient steering wheel mount on the Cario laptop.

  • by gillbates (106458) on Wednesday March 26 2008, @04:30PM (#22874418) Homepage Journal

    Is that the laptop of the future:

    1. Will weigh 15 pounds, and have a 21" LCD. But you won't be able to play HD movies unless you buy the Media Package - which will require a special version of Vista and add another pound for the hardware security module.
    2. Will have a battery life of about 45 minutes.
    3. Will have a 2 TB hard drive, half of which will be consumed by Windows.
    4. Will take 15 minutes to boot.
    5. Will have a 1 GHz processor with 16 cores, only one of which will be enabled while on battery power.

    You know, people just don't get it. If I'm buying a desktop, yes, I want all of the bells and whistles and don't care how heavy or how much power it uses. But when I buy a laptop, I'm not buying a mobile desktop. I want something that's light and easily portable. I want something with a keyboard that's usable, not merely "painted on" as an afterthought; tactile feedback matters. I want something which can be opened in economy class on an airline - the last corporate laptop I had was so big that this was impossible - I used my Palm instead. And I want something that can be used for hours on end without a recharge.