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Homemade Robot Patrols Atlanta Streets

Posted by Soulskill on Fri Mar 07, 2008 04:40 PM
from the serving-justice-and-delicious-hot-dogs dept.
Robotics Hardware
Josh Fink brings news of an Atlanta resident who has created a remote control robot to scare off criminals during the night. Rufus Terrill, an engineer, uses it to patrol the streets and encourage drug dealers and other shady characters to move on. Local residents call it his "Robocop." From CNN: "It's a barbecue smoker mounted on a three-wheeled scooter, and armed with an infrared camera, spotlight, loudspeaker and aluminum water cannon that shoots a stream of icy water about 20 feet. Operated by remote control, the robot spotlights trespassers on property down the street from his bar, O'Terrill's. Using a walkie-talkie, Terrill belts out through the robot's loudspeaker, 'That's private property. You guys need to get out of here.'"
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  • C'mon, no "Drop you weapon, you have 15 seconds to comply"??

  • Assault (Score:4, Informative)

    by odin84gk (1162545) on Friday March 07 2008, @04:43PM (#22681304)
    From the article

    Police Major Lane Hagin says ... "There's no problem with the robot going up and down the street or being visible or any of the other things it does -- with the exception of spraying water on people." Hagin adds, "Then, it becomes an assault no matter where it happens."
    :-(
    • They're going to charge the robot? j/k but seriously, the threat of physical force is usually just as good as the use of it. I'm sure the robot could fire in self defense too, since it could easily be considered the man using non-lethal force to protect his property.

      • Firing a water cannon at vagrants? What does he want, a medal?
        If they are the type of vagrants who leave needles, trash, and various bodily fluids on your property at night; who scream obscenities at your guests during the day; who steal anything that isn't bolted down and vandalize everything that is; if they are like many of the vagrants I have to cope with, then, yes, I'd give him a medal

          • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

            by randyest (589159)
            Yeah it is, but not because of the "vigilantes" squirting trespassers (oh heavens not that!) but because there aren't enough police to keep all the drug dealers and criminals in line. You can thank the War on (Some) Drugs for that, since it makes sure there's a lucrative black market at all times.

          • Re:Assault (Score:5, Informative)

            by RockModeNick (617483) on Friday March 07 2008, @06:27PM (#22682574)
            Sadly you CAN'T hit back if someone hits you 95% of the time. Unless they have you physically trapped so you cannot escape the situation, or are defending a threat on your own property (so forget defending your car in a parking lot) if you hit back and do substantially more damage with that hit that they did(you have a bruise on the arm, he has a shattered jaw) you are definately getting charges filed by the police if the incident gets to them. If neither of you is hurt bad it's probably just disturbing the peace charges for both of you. Only big exception on hitting someone when not trapped or on your own property and they assault you is defense of another - if guy is decking his GF(or bf I guess) at a bar and you decide to knock him out before he does real damage, you're probably not getting in trouble so long as the victim you defend corroborates your story.

      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by provigilman (1044114)
        IANAL, but I would believe that the line is drawn at intent and the dilberateness of the act. A sprinkler system going off on a timer while someone happens to be on your lawn is one thing, triggering a device to purposefully spray someone is an entirely different matter...whether or not the device is mobile.
        • "I'm not saying you have to move, but Robocop's timer is set to shoot water at the spot you're in, in 30 seconds.. Nothing I can do about it really."
  • Great nerd appeal.

    WOuldn't it be smarter to put lights in the area that are on 12-6 every morning.

    Add a sprinkler system that goes on and off randomly and people will stay away.

  • Just push it over (Score:5, Funny)

    by CohibaVancouver (864662) on Friday March 07 2008, @04:44PM (#22681312)
    If this Dalek was spraying water at me I'd just push it over. Can't be that difficult.
  • that nobody's stolen it or taken a baseball bat to it.

    Yet.
  • A remote controlled cart with a loud speaker and a watergun is supposed to be a crime deterrent? I think a better crime deterrent would be the robot from Rocky IV.

  • Can you say "better than being tasered?" (Score:5, Funny)

    by zappepcs (820751) on Friday March 07 2008, @04:45PM (#22681324) Journal

    Police Major Lane Hagin says the robot is definitely a different crime-fighting idea. "There's no problem with the robot going up and down the street or being visible or any of the other things it does -- with the exception of spraying water on people."

    Hagin adds, "Then, it becomes an assault no matter where it happens."
    I thought you could... bet it costs less than a taser gun and training too.

    Assault? That seriously puts kids and the super soaker company in serious trouble? WTF?

    Seriously, assault? Perhaps, since the robot is black, it should only presume to act like the black night in Monty Python's 'Holy Grail' movie? ... don't run away, you coward! Come back, I'll burn you to death with my spotlight......

    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by KublaiKhan (522918)
      Technically, yes, it is assault--as is spitting in someone's face, or any other sort of unsolicited touching.

      Whether it'd be prosecuted is open to question.

        • Re:Can you say "better than being tasered?" (Score:5, Insightful)

          by Cadallin (863437) on Friday March 07 2008, @05:10PM (#22681646)
          God, I'm getting so tired of the Whiny anti-smoking bitching. Especially outside. Get the fuck over it. These two points really piss me off. You don't like someone smoking near you outside? Move your lazy ass! And two, unless you are operating the only bar in town, you should abso-fucking-lutely have the right to make it a smoking establishment. Anybody who doesn't like it can go somewhere else.

          I don't even smoke, and that is not the point. I fervently believe people should have the right to smoke. It is 100% a personal liberty issue. Now, as for how it can be marketed and sold, I'm up for debate. I'd be fine with it being restricted to small scale growing for personal consumption, like marijuana is often produced in Medical Marijuana states, or Canada (Note that these places don't restrict it that way, its just most commonly produced that way.)

    • So, wait...it's black, and it rolls around after dark in a bad part of town?

      How long do you think it will be before it gets stopped in a 'random check' and tasered for 'resisting and officer?'

  • Type O (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Instine (963303) on Friday March 07 2008, @04:45PM (#22681328) Homepage
    That should be Tyrell not Terril

  • No bashing (Score:4, Informative)

    by Harmonious Botch (921977) * on Friday March 07 2008, @04:46PM (#22681332) Homepage Journal
    To me, the most notable element of the story is what DIDN'T happen: nobody attenpted to destroy the bot, or even tip it over. Here on slashdot, I predict, within the first 20 posts someone will be remarking how they would destroy it if they encountered it. But the people in the story don't. Is it something about being homeless, or something about being a dealer, or something about being a drug user?
    • They were just waiting for somebody on Slashdot to give them the idea.

      Seriously, though - I found this odd too. Those criminals are showing an awful lot of respect for other people's property.

    • because /.ers are weenies? (Score:4, Insightful)

      by SmallFurryCreature (593017) on Friday March 07 2008, @05:09PM (#22681624) Journal

      Talk tough behind a computer screen but when it comes to the real world /.ers are weenies.

      Normal people and this includes the homeless and drug dealers don't want a hassle.

      The simple fact is that it is terribly easy to setup a neighbourhood watch and get rid of trouble, it just moves to the next area were people don't want a hassle and are unwilling to keep their area safe.

      Where ever someone is creating trouble there is someone else who isn't doing anything about it.

      Ask yourselve what you would do, as a drugs dealer you rely on you being to dangerous to confront and to much hassle to call the police to go undisturbed, this robot breaks the rules. It doesn't have to be afraid and so it puts the dilemma in the drug dealers shoes, create a scene he wants even less then a normal citizen or just move on.

      I think it is an intresting idea, but most of slashdot will probably freak because of the camera and big brother idea's. It ain't a solution and sooner or later it will lead to trouble, but it is an intresting idea nonetheless. Would a CTV setup in a local area that can be seen by anyone in that area be an acceptable way to get a neighbourhood watch going? Or is you neighbour watching what you are doing the same as the state?

  • Once the right (wrong) people figure out the thing only has a water-gun for defense/offense it'll be stolen and or destroyed in record time. Clever idea though . . . while it lasts.

  • Oh no it's the pusher man (Score:5, Insightful)

    by randyest (589159) on Friday March 07 2008, @04:52PM (#22681422) Homepage

    Meredith has a security guard at the center who leaves in the early evening. "They know when the guard leaves," she says. "They know when the cleaning crew leaves and then here comes the drug dealers to prey on the homeless people."

    I think the issue is homeless people. They are being confused with the folks who prey on them and sell them drugs
    Right. The homeless people are confused. They actually think they are applying for jobs and/or educational classes, but they somehow get drugs instead! They were confused! The dealers force them to buy drugs, with confusion techniques!

    Drug pushers don't exist. No one has to push drugs -- they sell themselves.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by mollymoo (202721) *

      Drug pushers don't exist. No one has to push drugs -- they sell themselves

      That's what I thought till I received an offer, on the street, unsolicited, to try some crack. After a very brief conversation it became apparent the guy making the offer wasn't just some guy looking for someone to share a rock with, he was a crack dealer. I was approached by a prostitute (actually a girl promoting a brothel - the rapidly delivered "menu" was fascinating) that night too. I guess being out on your own at 4.30am in a

  • This is not the droid the /.ers are looking for...
  • Mostly cause I'd be curious to see how quickly someone stomped the thing till it broke.

    And the water cannon? That'd get you shot.

  • Psychology & the Police (Score:5, Insightful)

    by davecrusoe (861547) on Friday March 07 2008, @05:00PM (#22681528) Homepage
    It's quite neat that this guy has taken the time to build something to help keep the neighborhood "safer". But what's most interesting is that the "drug dealers" (etc) respond so strongly to the little, harmless robot; and that their response would probably be much more hostile toward police. In addition to a neat experiment in... safety... it's also a neat psychological study. --Dave
  • Who assigned this guy the rights to go squirting anyone with water or for that matter verbally harassing them. My gut instinct is that the guy who built this wishes he was policeman and doesn't have the proverbial sac to be one. If the streets where he lives are so rampant with criminal activity I would suggest he follows legal measures to do remedy the situation. "Vigilante Justice" is a matter of ethics, and I cannot say I accept this man as my voice. Is it legal to sue a robot for harassment, or the to

    • Re:Vigilante Justice is illegal for a reason (Score:5, Insightful)

      by YrWrstNtmr (564987) on Friday March 07 2008, @05:14PM (#22681692)
      Saying "Get out of here, this is private property" is not harassment. Even if it is at a distance. The water cannon may be a bit over the line, but how do you get harassment out of the walkie-talkie part?

      As far as 'legal measures', the police cannot be everywhere, 24/7. You think the residents haven't called them before?

    • Re:Vigilante Justice is illegal for a reason (Score:5, Insightful)

      by MobyDisk (75490) on Friday March 07 2008, @05:34PM (#22681940) Homepage
      You know, I don't want things to become like the old west either, but this absurd over-pacifism is ridiculous. If someone comes on to my property to sell drugs, or some other illegal activity, and I yell at them - that's not illegal. If I shoot them with a water gun that isn't assault. It's that person being an ass, and me being an ass back. The difference is that their ass is on my property conducting an illegal activity, and they know it. So they leave because my charge of trespassing and drug sales is bigger than their charge of assault by a water pistol.

      There's nothing wrong with citizens taking these types of minor things into their own hands. I don't want a world where every time I step on someone's grass they call the police. The reason we are moving in that direction, as a society, is because a small small small number of people are so trigger happy (with real live guns) that even the minor everyday cases of someone protecting themselves runs the risk of becoming a life or death situation. So we all live in fear.

      The reality is that the police cannot be everywhere at once, and if someone has a safe way to protect themselves like this, then they should be allowed to do it. Yes, it is probably assault according to the letter of the law, but not according to the spirit of it.

    • Re:Vigilante Justice is illegal for a reason (Score:5, Insightful)

      by mrchaotica (681592) * on Friday March 07 2008, @05:41PM (#22682052)

      If the streets where he lives are so rampant with criminal activity I would suggest he follows legal measures to do remedy the situation.

      I don't know where in Atlanta this guy lives, but the worst neighborhood in the city is English Avenue. I can't remember the statistics I read at the moment, but I think it had something on the order of 300 murders (let alone everything else) in 2006. In a single neighborhood.

      Now, you know how many cops patrol that area? Two. Two! That's not even enough to have even any officers in the area all the time! When it's that bad, exactly what legal measures do you suggest he follow?!

  • You! That's Private Property... (Score:5, Funny)

    by istartedi (132515) on Friday March 07 2008, @05:29PM (#22681880) Journal

    Yes, You! In the ski mask. You're trespassing. You knocked me over. Stop that. You and your accomplice are in violation. Cease lifting me up immediately. Don't put me in the bed of that pickup. That's theft. Stop driving away, that's (garbled) Come (garbled) back...

    • Re:You! That's Private Property... (Score:5, Funny)

      by jollyreaper (513215) on Friday March 07 2008, @10:31PM (#22684370)

      Yes, You! In the ski mask. You're trespassing. You knocked me over. Stop that. You and your accomplice are in violation. Cease lifting me up immediately. Don't put me in the bed of that pickup. That's theft. Stop driving away, that's (garbled) Come (garbled) back...
      That's what the safety grenade is for. tip the fucker and it goes off.

  • take stand, then assault; homeless==dopedealer?? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by vic-traill (1038742) on Friday March 07 2008, @09:55PM (#22684198)

    Voiceover: Lydia Meridith runs the daycare centre ... Lydia: [ ... at night ... ] This whole square is enveloped with homeless people and drug dealers ...

    So, the bot-operator sits on the Board of the daycare which occupies part of the footprint in question. He doesn't own it. Homeless people are lumped in with drug dealers. He admits to firing the bot's water cannon at 'extremely stubborn' people.

    BTW, the 'bot is *not* autonomous as claimed in an earlier comment; the guy is pulling the switch.

    Where I come from (which is admittedly not Atlanta or anywhere near there, as indicated by the audio transcription above) firing a water cannon at someone is assault, hassling dope dealers setting up shop in your neighbourhood with a 'bot is really freaking cool, and treating the homeless the same as dope dealers (lifestyle and intention overlaps notwithstanding) is a recipe for escalating social dysfunction.

    I admire Mr. Terrill for taking a stand, and doing so with a geek gadget ups his score. I do not understand the lack of differentiation (in both the video report and this thread) between a homeless man and a Misery Merchant. How is it this is not even on the radar?

    I suspect I might be on the cusp of a hearty karma smackdown, but WTF?

  • I actually go to O'Terrills (Score:4, Interesting)

    by yawble (181792) <whitney&luna,tk> on Friday March 07 2008, @11:25PM (#22684658) Homepage Journal
    And the bot is a hit. He actually talks to the cops that come in from time to time, and they love it. Rufus has to deal with these homeless wastes of space coming in, harassing the customers, and trying to steal shit all the time.

    He actually owns most of the entire block, and everyone supports him. That poor shitty homeless shelter down the street sure fucks things up all around the entire area.

    He has actually ran for Gov. I believe, and came in last every time, but hell.... I think cities need crazy old guys like this.

    Before you bother white knighting for the 'poor homeless chaps' down the road, you should hang out for a couple of hours, and watch them smoke crack, huff paint, and harass poor passer-by.

  • Robot wars! (Score:3, Funny)

    by twazzock (928396) on Saturday March 08 2008, @01:05AM (#22685070)
    Hmm... I can imagine a drug dealer or someone building his own robot to anonymously attack and destroy this one. Then this one gets repaired and beefed up, and maybe a few friends add their own robots to the posse. The next time the offending 'bot comes around, the robots swarm around it and take it out. Then this 'bot's builder gets some of his mates and they make bigger and badder robots to combat this new threat; adding chainsaws and flamethrowers.
    Soon, the whole thing escalates to a super-serious Robot Wars on the city streets!
    Mechanical gangs fighting it out for street territory!
    Soon, everyone would be too scared to go out at night in case they run into a gang of robots; barricading themselves in their homes and lying awake in horror to the sounds of the metallic carnage going outside their windows!

    Melodrama aside, it would be pretty cool to watch the all-out robotic street brawls --from a distance. It'd be like something out of Terminator.
    • Forget shooting it... I'd steal that sucker. RoboCriminal, away!

      • Some anti-theft/bashing upgrades needed (Score:4, Interesting)

        by Xandar01 (612884) on Friday March 07 2008, @06:29PM (#22682594) Journal
        1) A nice siren and flashy lite to attract attention.
        2) Some strategically placed handles that can be electrified
        3) When all else fails, a beeping self-destruct countdown timer
      • Forget shooting it... I'd steal that sucker. RoboCriminal, away!

        This is slashdot. Here we'd 1) jam the signal to incapacitate & nab it
        2) reconfigure & overtake the rf control
        3) refill it with gasoline & tape a burning zippo to the nozzle.
        4) send it back to the owner and make it look like an accident

    • Or him... (Score:5, Insightful)

      by eln (21727) on Friday March 07 2008, @04:49PM (#22681368) Homepage
      I read an article about it earlier where a homeless guy followed him back from the square and started joking with him about it. If this is a major money-making area for these drug dealers, it's only a matter of time before one of them follows him and shoots him. I like that he's trying to clean up the neighborhood, and the idea is novel, but I can certainly imagine someone getting a little stabby or shooty after getting sprayed with ice cold water while trying to conduct "business".

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by netruner (588721)
        That would require a minimal security procedure to mitigate. Pull the bot into a defensible area where he can observe someone following it before retrieval. Don't go out if someone was following it. Also, the bad guys aren't the only ones with guns (yet). Also the defender typically has a sizable advantage if he plays his cards right.

        If he wants to get away from the assault problem of the water cannon, he could install a security system siren and/or a tear gas cannister (or pepper spray, or skunk sc

    • Re:Well, it's an idea... (Score:5, Funny)

      by Deadstick (535032) on Friday March 07 2008, @04:51PM (#22681400)
      They're gonna express disapproval.

      In spray paint.

      On its shiny metal ass.

      rj

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