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In Search of the Cheap Linux Laptop

Posted by ScuttleMonkey on Mon Jul 30, 2007 05:00 PM
from the ever-hopeful dept.
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mr_mischief writes "According to Hot Hardware's recent review, Asus is getting ready to unleash a $199 compact notebook running Linux. This is entirely different from this recent $150 Linux laptop story which many Slashdot readers believed to be a scam. There's a dual-mode menu which offers a simple system for novice computer users, and a slightly more advanced version for others. It's not aimed squarely at the same market as the One Laptop Per Child project's XO, and is expected to be sold to end users worldwide. It's targeted at new users who don't own a computer or at people who want a cheap, small laptop for basic tasks. The reviewed version has a 7" screen and a cramped keyboard to match, but a 10" version is available for $100 more. It offers built-in wired and wireless networking, four USB 2.0 ports, and a three-hour battery life. The storage options are a bit cramped, as you only get 4 GB of on-board storage (8 GB on the $299 model) and no optical drive. As the review says, though, USB 2.0 can make up for that if you like, and the lack of moving drive parts makes the machine run dead quiet."
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Xemu writes "Inspired by Negroponte's laptop for children, the Swedish company Medison is now taking orders for their US$150 Linux laptop, the Medison Celebrity. The laptop is a 1.5 GHz Celeron M 370 with 14 inch screen, wireless network and it comes with Fedora Red Hat pre-installed." Update 2035 GMT by SM: As many readers have pointed out, the more you dig into the details of this company the more fishy it starts to seem. I would suggest any potential buyers be wary on this one.
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  • An NT$10 coin (Score:4, Informative)

    by croddy (659025) on Monday July 30 2007, @05:06PM (#20049439)
    The author shows a photo with the laptop next to a Taiwan $10 coin, adding that it is about the same size as a US half-dollar. Since this won't help most folks in the US (for whom receiving a half-dollar coin in change is a rare occurrence), it may help to know that the NT$10 coin is not quite 2mm larger than a U.S. quarter.

    • Re:An NT$10 coin (Score:5, Funny)

      by Pentavirate (867026) on Monday July 30 2007, @05:15PM (#20049547) Homepage Journal

      The author shows a photo with the laptop next to a Taiwan $10 coin, adding that it is about the same size as a US half-dollar. Since this won't help most folks in the US (for whom receiving a half-dollar coin in change is a rare occurrence), it may help to know that the NT$10 coin is not quite 2mm larger than a U.S. quarter.

      Most people in the US don't know what a millimeter is either ;-).

      • Re:An NT$10 coin (Score:5, Funny)

        by camperslo (704715) on Monday July 30 2007, @05:52PM (#20049925)
        Most people in the US don't know what a millimeter is either ;-).

        Try telling them that a cigarette is about 100 mm.

        It gets complicated using penises as a standard. There's this thing called net-inches...

        Stevie420: Are you sure I'd like it? I've never done anything like that before
        BillyG666: You'll love it. If I slapped it down on your keyboard it would go from A to Z
        BillyG666: Oh shit...

        It's too hard to tell what's up when a guy has a little one. Last week I met this guy with one the size of a golf pencil. I couldn't tell if he was trying to make love or trying to erase me...

  • 32GB USB stick (Score:3, Interesting)

    by gilesjuk (604902) <giles.jonesNO@SPAMzen.co.uk> on Monday July 30 2007, @05:06PM (#20049447)
    Toshiba do a 32GB USB flash drive, so storage isn't a problem :)

    • Re:32GB USB stick (Score:5, Interesting)

      by harrkev (623093) <(gro.ylimafnoslerrah) (ta) (dsmfk)> on Monday July 30 2007, @05:11PM (#20049499) Homepage
      The big problem with flash drive (IMHO) is that they stick out.

      It would be cool if such a device could have an "internal" USB drive bay. Basicly, you open a lid and there is a recess large enough to stick most USB drives. That way you can upgrade the machine without having anything sticking out.

    • Re:32GB USB stick (Score:5, Insightful)

      by BlackSmithNZ (1064822) on Monday July 30 2007, @08:15PM (#20051217)
      You know, thinking about it, 8GB is not so bad.

      I get roped into doing support for family & friends, and the typical grandmother PC once degunked, normally has a few card games, maybe a few photo's & a pile of email (all dumped in the inbox along with 2000 spam messages).

      When I back up a family computer, (trying hard to ignore the crap pr0n on my father-in-laws 'puter), I typically don't have to compress anything to fit on a 800mb CD - it's often just Outlook Express email & nothing else.

      get you grandmother set up with one of these laptops and a gmail account, and they will be happy. No having to pay McAfee or MS for endless updates, makes their life easy. Sure they will complain when they can't run the .SCR Christmas card that some stranger sent them, but quiet & portable will win them over.

      Isn't think the Google vision for the future of computing; and Microsoft's nightmare; people using generic, cheap laptops for accessing Google, a PS3/Wii for games and some USB/LAN attached box for your data storage? 8GB - or maybe a few more via the USB port is enough for many people; and for those with video/mp3 collections, plug in an external 500GB HDD; as/when you need it.

  • Memory? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by chill (34294) on Monday July 30 2007, @05:10PM (#20049495) Journal
    To all the manufacturers making these small, low-power PCs and notebooks I have one request. Please make the RAM expandable. Put an SO-DIMM slot in there, either in addition to the soldered-on system RAM or as the only system RAM.

    512 Mb is nice, but being able to stick a 2 Gb SO-DIMM in there would make this system useful for so many more people than just their target audience.
    • If you're going to use that much RAM then chances are you're using applications that require a lot of processing power. So you'll need more fans and there will be more heat. These laptops are designed for basic and quick tasks like checking email quietly and easily.

      • Re:Memory? (Score:4, Insightful)

        by Bluesman (104513) on Monday July 30 2007, @08:42PM (#20051509) Homepage
        I have nothing to add to your post, but it just struck me that being concerned about "only" having 512MB RAM in a laptop is laugh out loud funny.

        I guess I'm getting old, but I remember doing a ton of stuff with my C64, being thrilled to upgrade my Amiga to 2MB, with a 52MB hard drive. I did 3-d modelling on that Amiga, played great games, and basically did the same things I do today, only in lower resolution.

        Having 512MB of RAM is a godsend, and if I can run Linux or FreeBSD with FVWM, 512MB is more than I'll ever need. Plenty fast enough for work while travelling, or to use as a thin client at home.

        Sign me up for one of these, I love the specs.

  • Yes but the question is (Score:4, Funny)

    by ph4rmb0y (711836) on Monday July 30 2007, @05:12PM (#20049511)
    Will it run windows? ;)
  • From the photos, it looks like the 7" and 10" models use the same case/chassis. The smaller screen just has a giant black bezel around it, taking up the space where the larger screen would go. Although this brings up interesting upgrade possibilities, I think it's fairly obnoxious; I wouldn't mind a 7"-screen laptop if the entire thing were only 7" diagonal (example, something like the Psion Series 7), but a 7" screen in a case that's built for 10" would just annoy me.

  • The Specs, summarized (Score:4, Informative)

    by keithjr (1091829) on Monday July 30 2007, @05:13PM (#20049527)
    900MHz Intel Dothan based Pentium M CPU

    512MB of DDR2 memory

    802.11g wireless capability

    flash-based hard drive ($199 for 4GB, $299 for 8GB)

    weight: .89 kilograms, just around 2 pounds

    Ports:
      four USB 2.0
      VGA output
      10/100 Ethernet
      56K phone modem

    Battery:
      4-cell, estimated 3 hours life

    The lack of an optical drive and the low nonvolatile storage space is a bummer, but flash hard drives are faster and stabler. And as the article states, you can always hook up an external.

    • Re:The Specs, summarized (Score:5, Interesting)

      by mobby_6kl (668092) on Monday July 30 2007, @06:02PM (#20050037)
      Screw the optical drive. The Armada M300 I've already mentioned somewhere above doesn't have one (it's in the docking station), and there was exactly one (1) situation when I wished I had it. I don't even use the one in the docking station either, I now just pop the CD/DVD into one of my desktop drives and use the network share to access it. Skipping the CD/DVD drive means thinner laptop plus lower cost and weight, so I'm all for it.

      The 8GB flash drive is a much more limiting factor though, as it means I won't be able to store as much pr0n and warez^W^Wuseful business data.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by soupforare (542403)
      The three hour battery life is much more of a concern to me than any of its other lackings. With its low-po mindset, I was hoping for a lot better than that.
      Hopefully it'll have a standard barrel connector and charging requirements that aren't fancy. :3
  • What I'm waiting for a compact laptop/hand-held with a daylight-readable display. That's what would make a OLPC clone interesting to me, and as it appears the Asus doesn't have such a display, I'm not interested. (Of course others may find a low-cost light-weight mini-laptop very useful.)

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by fliplap (113705)
      For years NEC produced the Versa Daylite, it came with a trans reflective screen that was specifically designed for outdoor viewing

  • Thanks, but no thanks, (Score:3, Informative)

    by huckda (398277) on Monday July 30 2007, @05:33PM (#20049707) Journal
    I'll take a Nokia N800 for $375 Alex.

    with built in bluetooth, and an ultrasmall form factor, great built-in wireless...ultramobile lovely linux internet tablet.

    and if I don't want to use the touch-screen ultrasharp display...I'll get a 1 handed keyboard from Frogpad.com to connect via bluetooth.

  • What's with the vowels? (Score:4, Funny)

    by 5pp000 (873881) on Monday July 30 2007, @05:38PM (#20049761)
    First we get the "Wii", now we have the "Eee". What's next, "Oooeeyaaaeee"???

  • Diminishing returns? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by fermion (181285) on Monday July 30 2007, @06:09PM (#20050085) Homepage Journal
    Are we reaching the point on laptop prices where cheaper laptops are not feasible simply due to administrative costs? Consider these examples. Apple puts together an iPhone, and it likely costs $150 to build. They didn't use the cheapest parts but you know they did get a good price. This laptops looks like an emate, and an in inflation adjusted numbers costs only a little less. MS, who does not even need to make money, cannot put together a media player for less than $200. Each component may be cheap, but there is cost in ordering, receiving, qualifying, assembling, and verifying. Each component that is added, each new solder joint, increases the costs nonlinearly. How much did Apple save by not making the battery removable? If one has a device with 10 components, is it possible to engineer, assemble and ship the device for less $200 even if the components are next to nothing?

    The point we are at right now is that there has been little advance in merging components. Computers got cheap, in part, to VLSI. Now, instead of creating a single chip laptop, we have dual cores. To get to the holy grail of the computer so cheap that we buy it for no reason, the device count has to go way down. A couple chips, a couple ports, and a screen. It may even have to have a fake keyboard, just like the cheap computers of the 80's, which, btw, were also just a few chips and few ports.

  • For those interested in the Medison saga (Score:5, Informative)

    by suv4x4 (956391) on Monday July 30 2007, @06:12PM (#20050107)
    Since it was mentioned in the summary, there's a new blog following the whole fiasco at http://medisonscam.blogspot.com/ [blogspot.com]

    Some interesting highlights from the last few days:

    The old product pictures has been replaced on Medisons site. According to Comon.dk Medison have foretold that they were replaced by "real" pictures to get more trustworthy. They say that they have hired a professional photographer to take the pictures. The question however, is why a professional photographer would use a Canon Digital IXUS 60 digital camera at 10 in the evening (See the Exif-tags in the pictures). That is for those who don't know a small compact consumer camera... Yes we know that this doesn't "prove" anything, it's just another "fun fact" in this story.

    A poster on SweClockers posted the following answer that is supposed to be from the manufacturer: "they got one pcs sample from our customer and not paid". Hmm, interesting, isn't it?

    According to the Danish site Comon.dk, Medison will have a press conference on Wednesday to clear things out. They have also spoken with several people in the computer industry that claims, just like all other experts, that the price is "impossible".

    The Asus Eee offer however is great I'm looking forward to their machine. You shouldn't look at this laptop from the perspective of using it as full blown desktop Machine. Consider all the stuff you get at mere $200, for a nice mobile computer with full-sized keyboard and rich internet abilities. It makes for far better browsing/mail checking than what you can do on your $600 iPhone.

  • Sounds good, but... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by gshakhn (776481) on Monday July 30 2007, @06:22PM (#20050209)
    Overall, this sounds like an amazing computer for school. About 2 pounds? That small? Awesome. However, I've got a few questions.

    How easy is it to install additional programs? I'd assume they'd attempt to limit that in the basic interface, with only a few choices from preselected packages. With the advanced interface though, can you install anything you want? Do you get access to the terminal? Is there apt, yum? Something similar to Synaptic so you don't have to use the terminal? Only packages approved by Asus, or can you access any repository you want?

    It says that the laptop is Windows compatible. I assume this means that the user can install another OS by themselves. With lack of an optical drive though, will it boot from the USB to install? What about drivers, such as for the webcam?

    All in all, it sounds like a great deal. The small screen bugs me a bit, but what do you expect for the size?

  • The keyboard... (Score:3, Funny)

    by mathfeel (937008) on Monday July 30 2007, @06:35PM (#20050347)
    Have you guys notice?

    It comes with linux by default, yet its keyboard has the regular "windows flag" key...Wouldn't it make more sense to print a penguin on it instead?

    Just my 50-cents (thickness of the device)

  • I'm going to use it as a server. (Score:4, Insightful)

    by renfrow (232180) on Monday July 30 2007, @06:47PM (#20050473) Homepage
    Forget using it as a laptop, I'm going to use it as the house server. Get it set up, make the system card read-only and stick it in a closet with 1+ USB drives, it's quiet and low heat. If you need to see the 'console' pop the lid and there it is.

    Tom.

  • What a perfect opportunity... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Undead Ed (1068120) on Monday July 30 2007, @06:49PM (#20050487)

    Here we have a brand new low cost platform that comes preinstalled with Linux. All the ney-sayers are simply yelling sour grapes because Microsoft will not be able to field anything like this in North America or Europe in the foreseeable future.

    I am going to buy two for my grandkids - they will love it. They'll be able to play music and TV off the home wireless network. They can VoIP with video using Skype. They can read books from Project Gutenberg. They can message and chat to their hearts content. Hey, they may even do some homework and learn something, Who Knows!

    For me, I can add a 22" LCD monitor and create a wireless multimedia node for the bedroom. I can also use it as a smart thin client with USB keyboard & mouse and some speakers.

    Add some external storage like a 2.5" 120 gig HD and some earbuds and I can listen to music or avi's until the batteries wear down. I can store all my contact information and write some emails, Skype some friends (VoIP with video), message, play games and chat for hours away from my desktop computer.

    This machine is great and I for one am going to promote it to all my friends including the ones that are afraid of computers.

    What a great standby machine!

    Just so you know, I have 3 laptop computers 'Dell Inspiron 5100 - big, hot and heavy', 'Toshiba Tecra 8200 - smaller, lighter but tied to the power supply now' and 'Dell Latitude CPx - nice but slow, also tied to the power adapter'. These machines, for one reason or another, are unsuitable for newbs and kids whereas the Asus 3ePC looks perfect.

    I have no problem with the screen layout the way it is - there are speakers on either side of the screen and a microphone and camera there as well.

    All that power, connectivity (WiFi b/g, Ethernet 10/100, modem and USB), excellent memory - 512 meg, sufficient storage with USB addons as required, stereo speakers, microphone, web camera, 3 hours on battery AND it comes with an OS with a FULL office suite, Firefox, Skype, email and lots of applications!

    All for $199!

    LOOK OUT MICROSOFT!!!

    This is the killer product Linux needs to get it's foot in the door - this machines will sell in all the usual outlets plus drug stores, gift shops and grocery markets if promoted properly and Asus may be the guys to do it.

    Yep - put XP on that thing and it will be a pig with no room left for anything else. With a light-weight Linux, perhaps Ubunto or Kubunto or even Slax, and the user may really haved something.

    This is just my two-bits but I am excited.

    Undead Ed

    • Re:What a perfect opportunity... (Score:4, Interesting)

      by Wicko (977078) on Monday July 30 2007, @07:54PM (#20050987)
      There are a few exceptions to your statement about XP, using nLite to reduce your XP image to only essentials, or look for TinyXP, (assuming you own XP already, ;) ) and you will hardly use up any space at all.. a version of TinyXP that I have is 150MB. Haven't used it yet so I have no idea what its size is uncompressed, but it certainly won't be that bad. A solution for those of us who don't want to be stuck with Linux.

    • Re:$450 gets you a decent laptop (Score:5, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 30 2007, @05:11PM (#20049507)

      a decent laptop that comes with Vista


      Oxymoron alert! Oxymoron alert!

    • Re:$450 gets you a decent laptop (Score:5, Insightful)

      by timholman (71886) on Monday July 30 2007, @05:28PM (#20049655)

      What confuses me as soon as it says "$100 more" is that you are at $299 and for another $150 you can wander into BestBuy and splash $450 on a decent laptop that comes with Vista. Knocking $80 or what ever for the OEM version means that you are talking $370 or so for a decent laptop with a decent screen and a decent disk et al and this is for something with a dual core Intel processor.

      For the market this laptop is intended for, 4 GB of storage is probably perfectly adequate. Keep in mind that 4 GB hard drives were standard for laptops just ten years ago, and lots of people did real work with that much storage. At $199 a pop, Asus will have a laptop that is nearly cheap enough to become an impulse buy for a lot of people.

      Sure, you can always get a much better machine for a little more money, but a certain segment of the market is always attracted by the lowest possible price. Clearly this is what Asus is aiming for.

      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        by blhack (921171) *
        As far as impulse buys go, $199 is really doable. Think about airports, sell this thing for 200 bucks and give you free wifi in the airport for the rest of the day; i REALLY think you might get some people with too much money to buy the thing....i know i would (if i forgot my laptop).

        And something i just thought of: i paid almost this much money for my soekris board, and that thing didn't have a SCREEN, a battery, a keyboard, come to think of it....where is that soren guy, i'm gonna kick his ass!

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by rsilva (128737)
      Just one question: can you show me a $ 450,00 descent laptop that weights around 2 pounds?

      The weight, hence portability, is clearly a key factor for this computer.

    • Re:$450 gets you a decent laptop (Score:5, Insightful)

      by arth1 (260657) on Monday July 30 2007, @05:45PM (#20049825) Homepage Journal
      If you buy it for portability and not specs, hell yes, $300 is a good price for a 10" notebook. For coparison, the cheapest sub-12" notebook at Newegg that's is a Fujitsu Lifebook at around $1500 on sale.

      What I primarily use a notebook for is web browsing, e-mail and a terminal window. What benefit would a high spec laptop with Vista have for me? It'd just burn battery and heat up my genitals.

    • Re:$450 gets you a decent laptop (Score:5, Insightful)

      by mobby_6kl (668092) on Monday July 30 2007, @05:51PM (#20049903)
      The $450 BestBuy laptop will not be a lightweight 10" machine though. The cheapest LifeBook P7230 which costs ~$1,600 w/ rebates, and it has a 1.2 Ghz Core Solo, 1 Gig of RAM and an Intel GFX chip. The only thing it has significantly more of is the HDD, but then it's not a solid state thingie.

      Looking at the Eee's specs, it's significantly better than the old Compaq Armada M300 [hp.com] I currently have. My M300 was originally equipped with a 6GB hard drive, so the 8GB or 16GB models would actually be an improvement, if I hadn't upgraded it with an 80GB Seagate drive :). Assuming the 10" screen will be at least 1024x768, it would be an excellent replacement for the armada, whose battery is beginning to crap out. Faster processor, double the RAM amount and battery life, more USB ports, built in wireless, and a webcam all for just $299.

      Despite my excitement, whether the 10" Eee is a rip off or not depends on the needs and expectations of the user. I almost always carry my M300 with me, and I mainly use it for web surfing, some office tasks, light coding work and some gaming. This is exactly what I'd want the Eee to do, and I'm sure it'll handle these tasks just fine (by gaming I meant an occasional game of Starcraft or Doom deathmatch). If, on the other hand, the laptop will always remain on the table at home, and is expected to run Vista, then yeah, an additional $100 will get you a much more suitable machine.

      Ok... I now see that there are quite a few replies already, but I'll still post this in case I covered something that hasn't been mentioned yet.

    • Re:$450 gets you a decent laptop (Score:5, Insightful)

      by ejito (700826) on Monday July 30 2007, @06:24PM (#20050241)

      its a bit odd that $299 gets you a computer that is that crap.
      This one is finally the laptop I want: small, lightweight, and not bloated. I don't want to spend 1-2k USD on a mini laptop, and I don't want to spend 500 USD on a bulky laptop, even if it's faster and has extras like Vista (no thanks).

      For it's size and weight, this is an excellent buy. Usually we'd be paying more for such a small size. You don't need speed on a a lightweight portable -- save the speed for a desktop (if you want to use your laptop as a desktop, that's a whole different issue).

    • When optimizing for cost (purely), the device would be both larger and have a spinning HD.
      Nope. A USB storage device is just a chip. Small, cheap. In fact, you can get a $4GB USB drive for around $30 *retail.* If you are buying raw chips for incorporating into your own product, expect a smaller price tag.

      A spinning hard drive, on the other hand, requires mounting hardware, connectors, cables, and the hard drive itself has a lot of moving mechanical parts. Keep in mind that these things are made by the thousands, or more. Buying out the clearance of last-year's model is not really an option.

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by evilviper (135110)

        In fact, you can get a $4GB USB drive for around $30 *retail.*

        That's extremely generous. Sales and clearance items do not apply. I'd put the price at $50, and that's generous.

        Meanwhile, a 20GB 2.5" HDD can be had for $30, and yet has 5X the capacity. And the capacity increases far faster than size. You can get an 80GB HDD for the same price as your 4GB flash.

        • Re:Could have been cheaper (Score:5, Informative)

          by networkBoy (774728) on Monday July 30 2007, @06:32PM (#20050305) Homepage Journal
          you can get 2 gigs on a single die, you can stack that die with a block storage controller in a single chip.
          In 10K unit quantities those sell for about $12-20
          so since this is ASUS and Intel, I'm betting the price is closer to the $12 range and is a single TSOP48 chip, or the board may have 4 lands on it for 4 2gig chips and a separate controller, thus "modders" will be able to upgrade the machine for under $50 as a single 2Gig in a TSOP48 can now be had in the $8.00 range.
          -nB

    • Re:$899 (Score:4, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 30 2007, @05:52PM (#20049915)
      Not to quibble, but wouldn't that be $898, rather than $899?

          • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

            by _Sprocket_ (42527)

            But I've never had a driver problem installing windows. The last time I did a windows install was w2k, but I had no problems installing it on my custom built computer or a compaq. The same computer, with the same hardware, Red Hat 4 wouldn't install, and after installing red hat 5, I had to recompile with mouse support.
            ...

            Find the correct drivers = insert the windows CD.

            I had a refurb Compaq laptop... it came with WinME. I had an option to pre-buy XP for it. I wanted Win2K and, in fact, had an unused license already. So I took my bargain laptop home and tried to install Win2K. It was a nightmare hunting down drivers for the damn thing. Since Compaq did not support Win2K on that particular model, I had to hunt down which obfuscated drivers fit those particular chips on other Compaq models... install those... and hope they worked. Or find OEM versions. Eventually I g

            • Having a Penguin key (Penguin key sounds cooled than Tux key) would be sooooo cool. Imagine, ur mate is having a go, and needs to open the launch menu, and you say: "Just press the Penguin key man!" or he's sat there n he goes, where the windows key, and you say: "Windows key? Dude, this has a PENGUIN key." he would be like "WWWWWOOOOOOAH!!" like some crazy drug trip.

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by jridley (9305)
      It's cheap enough, but it's not small enough. I have a laptop with a 15" screen, I paid over $2000 for it. I never use it because it's too damn big. It has actually sat in my closet for over a year at a time. I don't even take it with me on vacations anymore because it's just too big to bother with.

      This laptop is sufficient for my needs, and I'm likely to actually carry it because it's small and light enough to be reasonably carried around most everywhere.

    • Re:Only problem is the screen size. (Score:5, Funny)

      by Dogtanian (588974) on Monday July 30 2007, @07:32PM (#20050853) Homepage

      7" is way too small.
      Contrary to what some people think, 7" is slightly above average and nothing to be ashamed about.

      Even 10" is too small.
      Whoah... talk about high standards. Is this for yourself or what you're looking for in another guy? What a size queen...

      There should be a 12 or 14" option for $299.
      Now you're just getting silly. Even the most outlandish spam doesn't promise that much, and who really wants 14" when it comes down to it? Given the choice, I'd stick with the 10".

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