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AMD Phenom and John Woo's Stranglehold In Action

Posted by Zonk on Fri Jul 20, 2007 12:56 PM
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MojoKid writes "AMD hosted a small gathering in the Penthouse at the SoHo Grand Hotel in New York City yesterday to demo some products due to be released in the coming months. HotHardware attended the event and snapped some photos of the various demo stations. The shots and info regarding the AMD quad-core Phenom-powered system running John Woo's Stranglehold (Unreal 3.0 engine) will be of interest, as will the slick notebooks, HTPCs, and hand-held devices, like the HTC Advantage 7501. It's essentially a cross between a UMPC, Phone, PDA, and portable GPS. The device features and AMD Imageon processor, 8GB of flash memory, a 5" touch screen, and a built in magnetic QWERTY keyboard, GPS navigator and 3MP camera."
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MojoKid writes "A few weeks ago, AMD released information on new branding for their desktop derivatives of the Barcelona core, now dubbed the Phenom FX, X4 and X2. If you're unfamiliar with Phenom, the processors will be based on AMD's K10 architecture. They've been tight lipped about specifics, but we know that it will feature a faster on-die memory controller, support 64-bit and 128-bit SSE operations, and they'll be outfitted with 2MB of on-chip L2 cache (512KB dedicated per core) in addition to 2MB of shared L3 cache. This week, instead of revealing some more of the juicy details regarding those enhancements, AMD just sent over a tasty photo of a Phenom die. At least it's something."
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MojoKid writes "AMD revealed the clock speed of the Agena-based processor they showed to the press today yesterday in conference, and clocks in at 3.0GHz. There has been a lot of speculation that AMD wasn't able to push early Phenom samples to frequencies this high, but here is proof that at least some Phenoms clocked at 3.0GHz do exist. You may also notice that the system hit a Windows Experience index score of 5.9, which is the highest score possible. It should be noted that AMD talked about 4-way CrossFire as well (a 3-way CrossFire is shown online), and that the company has continued plans to produce discreet GPUs at all performance levels (mainstream — enthusiast), even after Fusion arrives."
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  • Could this be the Long Anticipated iPhone Killer?

    it has a nice feature list.....

    but I'm sure that there will be a few hundred alleged iPhone killers released in the next few years.

    -I'm just sayin'
    • We have an HTC X7500 Advantage [pdadb.net] at work for testing purposes. The X7500 is identical to the X7501 [pdadb.net] save for the OS. X7501 ships with Windows Mobile 6. However, both of them are far too large and bulky to compete directly with the iPhone. For that, you want the HTC Touch P3450 [pdadb.net]. We have several of these at work, and at half the cost of an iPhone and no operator lock-in, I much prefer it to the iPhone. The HTC Touch has .NET CF 2.0 SP2 in ROM, so it's a great development platform for homebrew apps.
      • Quality, performance, value; pick any two. Hint: Windows isn't "value"...

        So...you're trying to say that Windows is quality and performance?

        That seems an unlikely belief, for slashdot.
        • Quite, value for your money, as in you get what you pay for. Seems to fit Windows...at least, better than either Quality or Performance anyways ;)
      • "Quality, performance, value; pick any two. Hint: Windows isn't "value"..."

        haha...sigh. I hate when some take a perfectly good expression, and then fucks it up by trying to make similiar ones .

        Clue:

        the iPhones quality is better, it's performce is higher, and it's value is greater then the newton.
        OOPS! looks like it's got all three.
        Moron.
        iPhone was an example, but it could be said about any fucking technology.

        in fact, it has been increased quality, increased performance, increased value and decrease in cost
        • the iPhones quality is better, it's performce is higher, and it's value is greater then the newton.
          OOPS! looks like it's got all three.

          It's got quality. It's got performance over most other smart phones but value...? 600 plus a 3yr lock in. Except for Apple Zealot it has little value. As those who need all those functions can get 80% of it for 30% of the cost via a black berry and those that don't can spend 10% of it and get a decent phone.
        • I agree, as far as functionality Windows Mobile beats iPhone.

          Features aren't the same as functionality.

          Windows Mobile has a checklist of features randomly scattered around an interface that was clunky even on a big screen. I haven't used an iPhone, and maybe never will, but I hope it wakes up the phone makers to the fact that there's a market for PDA phones that are DESIGNED for little screens, not ripped wholesale from a desktop OS.

          I've been stuck with Windows Mobile on my PDA phones for far too long

    • Re:iPhone Killer? (Score:4, Insightful)

      by pNutz (45478) on Friday July 20 2007, @01:15PM (#19930061)
      Does this [hothardware.com] look like an iPhone killer to you?

      • Re:iPhone Killer? (Score:5, Funny)

        by GeckoX (259575) on Friday July 20 2007, @02:26PM (#19931213)
        Perhaps...if you manage to drop it on the iPhone just right that is.
      • The reason parent post is insightful is because he hits the nail on the head. Who cares if it's technically superior (yeah yeah, multitouch blabla.. no stylus = have fun selecting text with the wacky zoom-in fingerslide position-the-caret action hotness and by all means call it a feature!).. if it doesn't look anywhere near as slick (externally and UI-wise), it's not in the same market as the iPhone.

        People need to stop referring to every new smartphone as an iPhone-killer. Call it a BlackBerry-killer or a
        • yeah yeah, multitouch blabla.. no stylus = have fun selecting text with the wacky zoom-in fingerslide position-the-caret action hotness and by all means call it a feature!

          It's called a design trade-off. I definitely scroll and zoom way more often than I select text. Phone screens are limited --- binding the common actions to easy-to-use mechanisms makes a lot of sense.
      • Does this look like an iPhone killer to you?

        If you can get it to run Linux half of /. will proclaim it to be an iPhone Killer.
      • Yes...if I can replace the battery.

    • but I'm sure that there will be a few hundred alleged iPhone killers released in the next few years.
      Only if Apple can convince everybody that their own late entry into the smartphone market is now somehow the standard for comparison.

      And while I'm being grumpy, please don't everybody complain because it's not just a barebones phone. I'd like to go on a business trip without a laptop someday, OK?

      • Re:iPhone Killer? (Score:5, Insightful)

        by LKM (227954) on Friday July 20 2007, @02:51PM (#19931573) Homepage

        Only if Apple can convince everybody that their own late entry into the smartphone market is now somehow the standard for comparison.

        They don't need to convince anyone anymore. The iPhone already has convinced enough people.

        Even if you don't like the iPhone, you should be glad it exists. It sets a new standard for a phone UI. For the first time, there's a phone that whose UI is universally liked; a phone that does not only look good and not only has a neat list of features, but is also fun to use. This is good for everyone, because it forces the other phone manufacturers to do what they should have been doing for the last decade: Start making phones aimed at users instead of at carriers.

        • The ONLY reasons everyone doesn't own an iPhone a) ATT (wtf was Jobs thinking) b) (refer to a) p) Price. It costs a lot of money- not out of line with it's competitors by the way but way more than the freebies or $50 after MIR that most people are used to.
    • you're right, if you dropped it on the iphone from about 15 feet it probably would kill it. of course, the iphone stood up pretty well in the blender.

    • Could this be the Long Anticipated iPhone Killer?
      it has a nice feature list.....

      To be an iPhone killer, it doesn't need a nice feature list. It needs an amazing user interface that makes the features it actually has usable and fun.

      (Yeah, yeah, a good UI could be thought of as a feature, but it's not something you'll usually see in a feature list)

  • Also yesterday... (Score:4, Insightful)

    by epiphani (254981) <epiphani@NosPam.dal.net> on Friday July 20 2007, @01:06PM (#19929935)
    AMD posted a $600m loss. Heres hoping their new processor line (barcelona and phenom) can fix things for them - I'd hate to see Intel lose its only competition.

  • Portable you say? (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 20 2007, @01:20PM (#19930113)

    It's essentially a cross between a UMPC, Phone, PDA, and portable GPS.
    As opposed to all those non-portable GPS units that are so popular nowadays. I bought a very expensive non-portable GPS and had it installed in my basement, so that I will immediately know if Carmen Sandiego steals my house.
    • I think they mean the GPS units that are designed to be hard-mounted in boats and cars. I guess they would still be technically portable though....
    • "It's essentially a cross between a UMPC, Phone, PDA, and portable GPS."

      As opposed to all those non-portable GPS units that are so popular nowadays. I bought a very expensive non-portable GPS and had it installed in my basement, so that I will immediately know if Carmen Sandiego steals my house.

      I realize you are joking, but this joke needed to be rethought/reworked. Mobile != Portable. Many GPS units are not portable, portable as in carried by a person, and are installed in cars, aircraft, ships, etc

      • Re: (Score:1, Offtopic)

        by semiotec (948062)
        military grade GPS have higher precision, although it seems unlikely that this is the reason they are bulkier, probably just the usual shock-resistant packaging for military use I guess.

        however, civilian GPS signal is apparently less accurate because noise is intentionally added, see graph here: http://www.byte.com/art/9602/img/511022c2.htm [byte.com]

        • military grade GPS have higher precision, although it seems unlikely that this is the reason they are bulkier, probably just the usual shock-resistant packaging for military use I guess. however, civilian GPS signal is apparently less accurate because noise is intentionally added, see graph here: http://www.byte.com/art/9602/img/511022c2.htm [byte.com]

          My understanding is that the military GPS have a more limited battery life, heavier spare batteries, and that for normal navigation the civilian units are more tha

    • Re:Portable you say? (Score:5, Informative)

      by lesinator (459276) on Friday July 20 2007, @02:26PM (#19931209)
      If you are interested in having high quality time in your datacenter, you will look at having a non-portable GPS unit. At a previous jobs, we had a 1u rack mount time server that synchronized itself via GPS through an antenna on the roof. Similar to these [eu.com]. Of course, at a certain scale everything is portable.

      • Re:Portable you say? (Score:4, Funny)

        by MMC Monster (602931) on Friday July 20 2007, @04:05PM (#19932689)
        When I want quality time in my data center, I shut the door and start up the counterstrike server.
      • "Similar to these. Of course, at a certain scale everything is portable." ...said Lesinator with an evil laugh, as he obsessively checked again his now perfectly synchronized home PC clocks.

  • 4 Cores (Score:5, Funny)

    by HungWeiLo (250320) on Friday July 20 2007, @01:45PM (#19930481)
    Will only 4 cores be enough to render all the flying doves and the ten thousand bullets that Chow Yun Fat will fire as he glides down the stairs?

  • article forgets to mention it runs on an Intel CPU.

    the HTC Advantage 7501 is designed to fill the void between underpowered PDAs and expensive UMPCs. It should be available sometime towards the end of the summer at around $900.

    How does the $900 mark "fill the void" between PDAs and UMPC? and it's just a (very) expensive PDA with a bigger screen. I don't see what features it has that set it apart from other high-end PDAs except for that screen.

    at least the tidbits regarding the cool/quiet running of the Phenom processors seemed encouraging, I really hope AMD can at least close the gap between Intel and themselves.

    • How does the $900 mark "fill the void" between PDAs and UMPC? and it's just a (very) expensive PDA with a bigger screen. I don't see what features it has that set it apart from other high-end PDAs except for that screen.

      It has a 4 GB microdrive, external VGA out and a 600+ MHz CPU. These are not common features for PDAs, most of which have around 128 MB of flash memory split between OS, applications and user data, and 200-400 MHz CPUs. The X7500 is designed to be a laptop replacement, though I don't think it's a very good one. I much prefer my TyTn [pdadb.net] to the X7500 we have at work.

      The big 5" screen and GPS means that the X7501 is probably quite nice when semi-permanently mounted into a vehicle. You'd have your office in yo

      • If your PDA has only 128MB of flash you'd better start looking at some of those penis extension patch spams.

        My old phone (nokia 9300) has 1GB, my new one (nokia E90) will have (initially) 4GB.
        • Take a look at PDADB - most PDAs have in the region of 128 MB internal flash and SD card slots for expansion. The X7500/X7501 is a notable exception. The Nokia phones you mention are not PDAs. Still, it's certainly no great challenge to buy a 4 GB micro-SD card if you need the space. I got just such a card for my PDA, and it's very nice being able to move it between PDA and laptop for refilling.

          The only reason you need lots of memory in a PDA is if you want to store music or movies, or other bulky data f

          • The Nokia phones you mention are not PDAs.
            They're not? That's a pity, guess I'd better get a Palm then.

            Why should I care if the memory is "internal" or on a card?

            The only reason you need lots of memory in a PDA is if you want to store music or movies, or other bulky data files.
            Why do you think I don't need more that 640K?
    • This [hothardware.com] is what will really fill that void between PDAs and UMPCs. Two pounds, 200 bucks, built-in wireless, comes with Linux installed, but can run Windows too.

  • Just Get It Into My Hands (Score:4, Funny)

    by Nom du Keyboard (633989) on Friday July 20 2007, @01:53PM (#19930643)
    Just get these new chips into my hands. I don't know which is taking longer to arrive:

    AMD quad core K10's
    Flying cars
    Televisions you unroll and hang on your wall
    Battery/Capacitor hybrids giving the best of each
    Truly efficient, cheap solar cells

  • I had a brief opportunity to play with one of these at a focus group (for a company looking to get input as to what people want in mobile communications/entertainment devices).

    I was not really impressed. First of all, the thing is bigger than pictures make it look. Way bigger. No pocket for this thing!

    Secondly, the UI response was very laggy. I just couldn't see this thing in any way replacing a laptop.

    The screen was very large, but it didn't appear the resolution was very high.

    I'd say any number of mobi
    • Some cowardly moderator appears to be a fanboy for the HTC Advantage 7501. Well then, you should try actually using one before you complain on my remarks, which are from first-hand experience! They had everything from a Sony Milo to the new LG phone, though sadly no other devices had power.
  • With Samsungs "budget" Q1 Ultra at the same price point (with 800mhz CPU, 60gb hard drive, 1 gb Ram, Windows Vista ) I fail to see how this will sell.

    Some may point out that Windows Vista is not a selling point - but neither is Windows CE.
  • Will it switch to slow motion anytime anything remotely resembling action begins to happen to make sure no one starts to get excited?

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by mechapants (1059980)
      the entire game will be played in a similar style to max payne's bullet time. you will be a retired (bad guy) trying to make it on your own as a white dove breeder, when suddenly (something dramatic from your past) comes back to seek revenge. This time you'll (1 - seek revenge 2 - team up with -- to seek revenge 3 - defend your --)

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by rrhal (88665)
      Despite its purchase of ATI I think AMD still has pretty good relations with nVidia. I think both companies realize an nForce SLI set up is a good seller with AMD's CPUs.

      • It's definitely confused by Intel's P35 chipset only supporting ATI CrossFire. Huh???

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