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Bionic Bugs To Fight Terrorists
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Zonk
on Fri Nov 17, 2006 11:54 AM
from the really-strong-swatter dept.
from the really-strong-swatter dept.
dptalia writes "Israel is looking to create a small robot, no larger than a hornet to follow, film, and kill terrorists. It's just one of a series of weapons the country is considering as an alternative to conventional technologies. Other ideas floating around include gloves that would give their user 'bionic strength', and ultra-miniaturized sensors to detect explosives on suicide bombers." From the article: "The research integrates nanotechnology into Israel's security department and will find creative solutions to problems the army has been unable to address, Deputy Prime Minister Shimon Peres told Yedioth Ahronoth. 'The war in Lebanon proved that we need smaller weaponry. It's illogical to send a plane worth $100 million against a suicidal terrorist. So we are building futuristic weapons,' Peres said."
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gah (Score:5, Funny)
Cowardly (Score:5, Insightful)
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Fight the Technocracy!
Hmm (Score:4, Funny)
Maybe it's just me, but that sentence makes it sound like we're running terrorists over with our jets. Teehee
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Maybe it's just me, but that sentence makes it sound like we're running terrorists over with our jets. Teehee
No, Israel is just bombing the neighbourhood where the were last seen. Just as efficient and just as effective.
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Nuke?
This is SOOO futuristic that it won't happen soon (Score:5, Insightful)
Plus, it's reasonable to assume that $100's of millions would need to be invested in such a "nanohornet" for it to be feasible. Heck, the current world's smallest flying robot [gizmodo.com] is massive compared to a bee, and can only fly a few minutes (yes, this link is from 2003, and the the robot is still considered the smallest working prototype of a flying robot).
In my opinion, the israelis need to invest in far better armor and Unmanned Aerial Vehicles. During their conflict with Hezbollah, the UAVs were a huge success [tmcnet.com]. Also, wouldn't highly armored robotic vehicles be better than a hornet? For example, maybe an armored ball (kind of like those hamster balls) that would essentially be indestructable and roll around doing reconaiscence and shooting things. Just a thought.
Re:This is SOOO futuristic that it won't happen so (Score:5, Informative)
Well you're right the UAVs worked great, and you're right that they need far better armor if they want to continue using armor. The RPG-29s and guided missles used by Hezbollah did a number on the IDF's Merkava MBTs, considered one of if not the most heavily armored tanks in service. Between those relatively cheap shoulder-fired infantry weapons, and the shaped-charge mines Hezbollah had sprinkled throughout their territory, it was demonstrated pretty conclusively that today's armor isn't standing up to even the guerilla weapons. More armor is needed, though I'm not sure that's the right tack to take.
First, tanks aren't that great in the kinds of environments we're talking about: hilly terrain with valleys and choke points that can be littered with mines and give attackers on the ridges an ideal firing line to hit the tank's weak point, and cities and villages that have basically the same properties. A slow moving tank with an enemy on high ground is vulnerable.
Second, there is no such thing as "essentially indestructable". In the ages-old battle between weapons and armor, weapons always win eventually. There have been times that armor would have a brief period of success, but then the weapons would advance one generation and the armor would fall behind. This is just the nature of the beast: it's easier to destroy than to resist destruction. It's easier to focus a large amount of energy on a small area, whether the tip of an arrow fired from a longbow or the shaped-charge explosive of an RPG, than it is to build a material that can resist that energy, whether steel armor or the advanced composites used in MBTs. Reactive armor was designed to defeat the shaped charge rockets, so the rocket designers responded by simply adding a smaller charge ahead of the main one to defeat the reactive armor so the big charge can hit the main armor with full force. Just as the cannon signalled the end of the castle, the RPG-29 and ilk are signalling the end of MBT armor.
Not that tanks aren't useful and further armor developments serve no purpose, it's just that you aren't going to get much of a lead even over non-state-militaries like Hezbollah. An autonomous tank would be nice because when it gets destroyed you haven't lost a tank crew as well. Plus you could design it to be more robust than a manned tank (where breaching into the crew compartment is basically all you need to do). But it isn't going to be an indestructable ball of death, that is for sure.
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Re:Side tracking on the subject of tanks. (Score:3, Interesting)
If you make a tank automous or at least remote controlled, then you don't really have worry about protecting the crew anymore. Hence you can replace the saved weight with something devoted to firepower, fuel, and speed.
In fact, why not make the tank cost $500,000 rather than $10 to $25 million and make a whole slew of them with mass production
Sure an RPG could kill it with one hit, but a well placed mine or RPG could immobilize the best armored tank
Re:Side tracking on the subject of tanks. (Score:4, Insightful)
2) stealing the tank remotely
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But then we need to get the Palestinians to pay reparations to the people whose land they stole hundreds or thousands of years before, and we have to track down those peoples' descendents and make them pay reparations to the descendents of whoever had that land before that, etc. etc.
The Americans will have to pay reparations to the Native Americans (most of whom are only fractionally N.A.) for their land. The Br
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I took your skateboard 25 years ago. It is still in my basement.
My late grandfather stole your late gradfather's pogo-stick.
You don't see the difference there?
also, reparation shmeparations, just give me back my skateboard.
It solved the problem, didn't it? (Score:3, Funny)
Don't knock the Chinese head-tax. It kept the numbers of two- or three- headed Chinese to a minimum, didnt it?
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So ... (Score:5, Funny)
Just gloves? (Score:3, Insightful)
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You lift with your whole arm, not just your hands.
And your back, and your legs....
Even as a kid, I thought The Six Million Dollar Man [wikipedia.org] was bogus. Think about it: Steve Austin grabs the bumper of a car, hoists....and telescopes his spinal column into 6 inches of splintered bone and splatted spinal nerve fibers.
Bionic gloves, relatively cheap and easy (Score:3, Insightful)
True. However --
I assume that gloves are much, much cheaper to develop and build than full-arm augmentation. (For full-arm augmentation, you really need full-body reinforcement -- upper body augementation to support the arm, augmented lower body to support the upper body.)
Crushing grip alone can be very useful. Close-quarters action -- break a man's bones. Useful for black-bag s
Saw this once before... (Score:4, Insightful)
Sounds like the flying robotic syringes in Dune, they silently fly around to find their target, then fly directly into them and inject some sort of fast acting poison (the spice?).
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Re:Saw this once before... (Score:5, Informative)
William
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It's a hunter-seeker, not a hunter-killer
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Power Source? (Score:2)
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Greeeat. (Score:4, Funny)
Great name! (Score:2)
What really bugs me... (Score:2, Funny)
Futuristic you say? (Score:5, Funny)
FFFFFFFFFFACE!!
Choose your killer please. (Score:2)
Israel, why must you have such wretched PR? (Score:4, Insightful)
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So far Israel hasn't been moved by the hum
Great inventions! (Score:4, Insightful)
Remember, no matter how intelligent the weapons inventors are, it's still violence; and "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent".
There's high tech and higher tech... (Score:5, Funny)
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But if there is a God, why does God hate amputees? God heals all other wounds and diseases. Why not amputees?
Already here. They already use them. (Score:3, Informative)
If the bullet was following someone cleaver enough to move out of the way, it is very very cheap to send another.
All they need is... (Score:3, Funny)
Plan B (Score:2, Insightful)
Remember Bugs, anyone? (Score:5, Informative)
Welcome... (Score:3, Informative)
...to the Diamond Age.
For further reading and insightful predictions about the sociological effects of nanotech, see Mr. Neal Stephenson.
Among his other speculations: as nanotech becomes ubiquitous (in the way that bacteria are today), societies will manufacture nanotech-based airborne immune systems for themselves.
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It makes you wonder if Israel would be further ahead if they tried to focus on the terrorist's technology core instead of worrying so much about the upper management that is fairly useless without their cronies to do the actual work.
Maybe they already do have some focus on these people as you hear from time to time of a "bomb builder" being a target of an attack. But what about the communications structure that lets t
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Israel couldn't knock out Hezbollah's tv station during the 34 day conflict nor could they disrupt the communications between Nasrallah and the troops in the field. For a good read on how Hezbollah defeated Israel, please see this journal entry [slashdot.org] which links to a three-part article from Asia Times Online.
I'm not trying to karma whore so please don't give me mod points. I'm just pointing out articles which
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Not very wise when the armies invading and attacking you have not done the same.
The genocide in the Middle East. part 2 (Score:3, Informative)
To make clear the actual genocide problem (and you were blaming the VICTIMS!), here are some quotes from the current Palestinian government and their actual charter: [mideastweb.org] "Our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious" [At least they do not hide their hatred behind the code word "Zionists"]..."The Day of Judgement will not c
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The government of the Palestinians in the 1940s, such as it was, was a close ally of Nazi Germany, and actually participated in the Holocaust. This government pretty much survived for a long time: the leader from back then was Arafat's mentor.