Sony Mylo Challenges Nokia 770 140
An anonymous reader writes "Tomshardware says Sony's Tiny Mylo Internet Communicator is out. "The first page of MobilityGuru's July 2006 review of Nokia's 770 WiFi powered Internet based communicator was titled "In A Class Of Its Own." One Month later the title is no longer correct. With the recent announcement of its Mylo (for My life online) personal communicator Sony joined the battle for the hearts, minds and pocketbooks of people whose major means of communication is instant messaging and Web based phone calling."" I've got a 770 on my desk right now (review forthcoming) so I'm curious to see other takes on the genre.
Duh. (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Duh. (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Duh. (Score:1, Flamebait)
Re:Duh. (Score:2, Informative)
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Story link is borked... (Score:2)
Or perhaps this is the link the author wanted... (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Story link is borked... (Score:2)
In fact, I don't see why anyone would want to use a device like this that's limited to Wi-Fi networks. Wi-fi is better than cords, but you're still on a relatively short leash. My internet browsing, tex
Re:Story link is borked... (Score:2)
Re:Story link is borked... (Score:3, Interesting)
The thing is, the device in question does what the Mylo does out-of-the-box without any seperate software. My view of Windows Mobile is still somewhat mixed, but the messaging, web browsing picture view and music listening have been pretty good without the hassle of getting more software.
Caviate: The iPod succeeded where others failed because it was super easy to use and super sl
Re:Story link is borked... (Score:2)
Re:Story link is borked... (Score:2)
Mylo and the
Keyboard (Score:1)
Re:Keyboard (Score:1)
http://www.engadget.com/2005/07/27/htc-wizard-qte
Hmmm, 800x480 display vs 320x240. (Score:5, Insightful)
Never mind it is Sony that makes it, a company that can do no good these days.
Re:Hmmm, 800x480 display vs 320x240. (Score:1)
I probably won't acquire any of these devices - or anything like them - for a few more years certainly... but one thing is certain: I will never ever buy anything from them again.
And I'm encouraging people to avoid them at all costs.
Every little bit helps.
Re:Hmmm, 800x480 display vs 320x240. (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Hmmm, 800x480 display vs 320x240. (Score:3, Insightful)
From TFA:
Tiger Direct lists the 770 at 379. I'd say that 350 is not significantly less than 379, particularly given the clear advantages of the 770.
Re:Hmmm, 800x480 display vs 320x240. (Score:4, Informative)
Even Nokia's USA [nokiausa.com] page has listed them as being out of stock for at least the past few weeks. I'm a bit baffled why Nokia would do this to a product that has such huge geek appeal and a lot of grassroots FOSS software ported to it. My only hypothesis is that the US cellular companies that Nokia's in bed with are trying to push their bullshit data plans, and aren't happy about the emergence of tablets with WiFi that cuts them out of $50/month subscriptions.
Nokia, if you're listening, I'd been dying to snatch up a 770 for a reasonable price for the past few weeks, but due to your incompetence I'm settling for an Axim which is cheaper, faster, smaller.. but with Windows Mobile bullshit that offsets those advantages.
Re:Hmmm, 800x480 display vs 320x240. (Score:1, Informative)
Re:Hmmm, 800x480 display vs 320x240. (Score:2)
BS. Earlier this spring, the 770s were in stock in both CompUSA locations in Columbus OH, and the website said so. I played with the demo model. Very nice!
Re:Hmmm, 800x480 display vs 320x240. (Score:2)
Re:Hmmm, 800x480 display vs 320x240. (Score:3, Funny)
The guy looked at me, and said, "You know it doesn't run Windows, right?"
I politely asked him to just ring me up.
Re:Hmmm, 800x480 display vs 320x240. (Score:2)
Re:Hmmm, 800x480 display vs 320x240. (Score:2)
I looked at the Mylo, which is to be priced the same as the Nokia, but the screen is just way too small for what I want.
no por mio (Score:4, Informative)
Oh, and RTFA says that it's got about a third the functionality of a 770, to boot. Ugh.
Umm, good? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Umm, good? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Umm, good? (Score:2)
Draw and sketch on a Nokia 770?! It's too small for that, IMHO.
I've actually got the same needs as you (although I'm drawing diagrams instead, since I'm an engineering student), but
Comparable? (Score:5, Insightful)
Nokia: 800x480 screen resolution.
Mylo: 320x240 screen resolution.
When will these companies learn to view the modern web with any sort of comfort you need, at the very least 640x480.
Re:Comparable? (Score:2, Troll)
When will these companies learn to view the modern web with any sort of comfort you need, at the very least 640x480.
The Nokia 770 has no keyboard while this Sony device does. When will these companies learn to *interact* with the modern web with any sort of comfort you nee
Re:Comparable? (Score:1)
770 has a keyboard (Score:4, Insightful)
Why would I *want* to have a fold-out keyboard (one more moving part to break) to access itty-bitty keys (more breakable things)?
And lastly - if you *want* a real keyboard, get a Bluetooth keyboard and you are all set.
Not really (Score:2)
Also the bluetooth keyboard isn't standard, it's a hack, and only a few will work with it. Do I want a fold out keyboard? YES!!! Give me something like the sidekick's and I'd be happy.
Also remember that the onscreen keyboard obscures at least half the screen. (I haven't tried the bigger one, because the new OS version breaks more
Re: "dropping all support" - WTF? (Score:4, Insightful)
What do you mean, "dropping all development support"? They just released a new software image, the maemo.org site is very active, the Nokia developers are regularly posting both to the Nokia forums as well as to the freedesktop forums for both basic X as well as Cairo and GTK.
If that is "dropping all development support" then I would certainly like to see what you consider active development.
And as for you assertion that - again, I don't know quite what you mean. If you mean "many packages are not available for the new build" - then yes, but most of them have been ported. Or do you mean the second 2005 code drop - which was buggy, and was replaced by the 2006 image. Otherwise, I have the IT2006 build loaded, and it improved many things and I haven't really found anything that it "broke". Please give specifics.
Re: "dropping all support" - WTF? (Score:2)
I don't care what is on any other site at the OS level, because that's NOT Nokia's official release, and Nokia will not support it, or be responsible if it ruins the device (accord
An apology (Score:2)
Then why hasn't Nokia done a new release? (Score:2)
The Maemo.org site is NOT Nokia. I have no real interest in loading Alpha and Beta test versions on my system. So as far as I and most other users can tell, Nokia isn't supporting the device anymore and isn't fixing the new bugs. If you have some nice new fixed OS version why the heck isn't it on the USA website?????
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As for the USA website? Well when I last used the main nokia website and the load ddn't work the people at NOKIA as well as the main Nokia forums and websites said that the European release was for those in Europe and of course it wouldn't work in America and to wait for the American release. Which was 2 weeks later and the exact same image, but still after that I stayed away from
Re:770 has a keyboard (Score:2)
If so, can a bluethoot keyboad be used with it? I saw some nice looking, and small, bluetooth keyboards out there... and they would be a perfect match for the i770.
Bluetooth keyboard (Score:2)
The "keyboards" that don't implement the Bluetooth keyboard protocol, and rather implement some bastard non-standard fake serial protocol don't work as well, but then again, if the manufacturer of the keyboard cannot be bothered to actually read the Bluetooth standards and implement the correct profile, then who needs their product.
Re:770 has a keyboard (Score:2)
My wish for Nokia is to improve the browser, and port Maemo to the E61 (or is it E60). I know it would have lots of problems (maemo user interface issues at a diffe
Re:Comparable? (Score:2)
Re:Comparable? (Score:2)
When will modern web designers learn to make pages that can be read comfortably (if not always exactly in line with their design strategies) at any resolution, no matter how low.
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Well, considering that HTML was designed to work this way from the start, and web developers insist on spending a great deal of time defeating this and forcing web pages to have large sizes, I'd way the answer is "Never."
Any web developer that intends to make their pages usable on small screens (or by vision-impaired clients) knows how easy it is, and is already doing it. The remainder have
That's all? (Score:2, Funny)
You forgot soul.
Oh wait, I forgot that people who use text messaging as a primary means of communication don't have souls. My bad.
Why? (Score:2, Insightful)
185 British pounds? (Score:1)
Re:185 British pounds? (Score:1)
Mmm, it looks like a cut down version of my HTC Wizard.
Re:185 British pounds? (Score:2)
I'm guessing that's why you're seeing an entirely new product.
that's it? I am a bit disappointed (Score:2)
No touch screen, a keyboard only a teenager can use(good thing they designed it for teenagers), limited image formats, smaller screen siz & resolution, etc.
Just another product in search of a market.
Re:that's it? I am a bit disappointed (Score:2)
The reason I have a '770 is that it runs Linux + X11, and so is easy to develop for, making it an ideal testbed for prototyping mobile applications. I can't see a Sony device competing there, considering how much they tend to lock down their hardware.
Already done, but better (Score:3, Insightful)
Palm Trio, Motorola Q, etc.... And you don't have to be near a free/open WiFi spot.
Next to UMD and Betamax, Worst....Sony....Product....Ever
Re:Already done, but better (Score:2)
Or get a XV6700/PPC6700/etc [mobiletechreview.com] (all HTC Apache variants) and get WiFi ...and camera...to boot. I got mine a month ago
and, while it took a bit of getting used to, its pretty damn near a complete communicator. I
think it might even give Spock gadget envy. (Tho it does run WinMobile).
I nearly picked up the 770, but wo/ a camera or phone, it just doesn't seem worth the $350 (tho the various announcements [internettablettalk.com] wrt hooking up with
Seems kind of stupid. (Score:2)
Besides, why didn't they stick this functionality into the PSP. A PSP costs nearly half what this Mylo does. I'm sure a revamped PSP could feature a thumb board, or a connector to stick one on. This in addition to being able to p
Re:Seems kind of stupid. (Score:2)
Re:Seems kind of stupid. (Score:1)
Features we don't even know about (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Features we don't even know about (Score:2)
Lack of Bluetooth ! (Score:1)
Yeah but (seriously).... (Score:1, Redundant)
Re:Yeah but (seriously).... (Score:1)
770 challenger? I think not. (Score:3, Interesting)
Really... saying the Mylo is a competitor to the Nokia 770 is like saying a Honda Fit is a competitor to a Rolls Royce. Sure, they're both cars. Sure, it's not likely people will own both. The target markets, however, are very different.
I have a new UMPC blog [ultramobilegeek.com], by the way. Therein is a four part head-to-head comparison of the TabletKiosk eo UMPC and the Nokia 770.
Re:770 challenger? I think not. (Score:1)
Re:770 challenger? I think not. (Score:2)
Re:770 challenger? I think not. (Score:2, Informative)
Your question was: What ISN'T it good for? Well
Competition is good (Score:2)
Nintendo DS and Opera (Score:2)
Much too small (Score:4, Insightful)
So, other than predictable hardware improvements over the last ten years, why is it that both the Linux handheld 770 and XP Tablet edition Q1 suck so bad at the software? It just seems like we're taking a huge step back in usability in order to gain that "convergence" factor between desktop and handheld. Is it really worth it? After looking at the Newton and comparing it to these competitors, my feeling is that Mameo on the 770 and XP on the Q1 just don't come close to meeting the functionality of a handheld. Convergence seems not worth the trouble. Desktop PCs will always be faster than a handheld, and software bloat always seems to meet -- and exceed -- recent hardware advances. When will handhelds ever have the CPU horsepower to "converge" with their desktop brethren?
The Newton is dead. Documentation and source at Apple are long lost. Perhaps a good alternative would be a small system based on Smalltalk using Squeak. Better yet if it could be hacked paint directly to the framebuffer, rather than using X on the handheld.
*shrug* - just a thought.
Re:Much too small (Score:2)
Newtons never die, they just get new batteries. And then they [tow.com] get [mac.com] new [newtontalk.net] hardware [chuma.org].
Re:Much too small (Score:2)
with nokia you have sdk (Score:2, Informative)
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Mylo, Nova -- intersting how names speak out... (Score:2)
"Mylo" when voiced in Russian (had /. been able to handle Unicode properly, I'd even write it here) means "soap." It is a bit amusing that a phone does look its Russian name...
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OH, Yes! We should trust Sony ... (Score:1)
Sounds like an old Mission Impossible episode
This thing is actually quite nice.. (Score:2)
It also comes with 1 gig of flash ram, plus expansion port.
Nevermind that you don't look as dorky making a SIP call with this thing as you do with your 770 against your ear.
If they deliver gmail compatibility, IM, video playback, SIP etc... this thing might well challenge the 770 and other gadgets a little more than you think.
Wi-FI sip phones ar
Re:This thing is actually quite nice.. (Score:3, Informative)
You can play videos at CIF.
http://www.internettablettalk.com/content/view/156
You can use the 770 like a speaker phone quite nicely with the Gizmo software.
It doesn't have a lot of built in memory but it is sufficient. You can also expand the flash memory via the RS-MMC port.
You can also connect it to a specially powered USB hub and connect USB media/peripherals not to mention Bluetooth peripherals.
B
Re:This thing is actually quite nice.. (Score:2)
Does the 770 now have USB host capabilities with the latest OS release? In the past, the only thing USB was good for was connecting the tablet to a PC for file tranfers.
Re:This thing is actually quite nice.. (Score:2)
The trick is that the USB chip and port are not powered from the internal battery so you have to supply power through the USB cable as if it were a client. There are simple wiring hacks detailed to do this to make a special USB cable or you can just use a USB gender changer to connect the 770 to the host side of a powered USB hub and some cheap hu
Pretend you're someone contemplating a purchase. (Score:2)
It's not a selling point.
Great for people willing to hack and muck around, but for someone who just wants to connect a USB keyboard (yes, I know Nokia believes bluetooth is the future) or a thumb drive, they'll look elsewhere.
Re:Pretend you're someone contemplating a purchase (Score:3, Informative)
Sony lost my love years ago... (Score:2)
The only Sony gadget I have is a PSP, and I am wishing I had a DS.
Re:Sony lost my love years ago... (Score:2)
Sony, just full of baloney... ( not the one an only LOL )
No standard mobile phone service. (Score:2)
Another downside of it not supporting standard mobile service is that no mo
So basically, (Score:1)
A short comparison with specifications (Score:2, Informative)
Lets hope Sony gets right what Nokia got wrong.. (Score:1, Insightful)
Another closed device ? (Score:3, Insightful)
I have a 770 and am looking forward to this (Score:1, Troll)
I bought the 770 5 months ago to for a special use. Now that the use is over it'll never come o
Re:I have a 770 and am looking forward to this (Score:2)
Re:I have a 770 and am looking forward to this (Score:2)
An apology (Score:2)
Re:I have a 770 and am looking forward to this (Score:2)
I didn't spend 300+ dollars to have to then go and spend hours of my time to make the device work. I don't have that time to waste.
Maemo IS NOT NOKIA. All of these things are
Re:I have a 770 and am looking forward to this (Score:2)
http://www.nokiausa.com/support/phones/softwareup
See, only one release from June.
What doesn't pass muster as a phone? (Score:4, Informative)
Re:What doesn't pass muster as a phone? (Score:1)
It is a multi-function device, and "phone" is one of these functions. CmdrTaco mentioned "phone" once in his summary, and it appears twice in the actual linked article. Therefore, it is well within range to comment on its suitability as a phone.
Re:What doesn't pass muster as a phone? (Score:1)
Re:Does not appear to pass muster as a phone. (Score:2)
So I don't think it's a big deal to "learn" a new button layout, especially since a phone number is only ten digits anyway.
That's cos it's not a phone (Score:3, Informative)