Desktop Replacements and the 11 Pound Pencil 252
Marco Ramius writes "Tom's Hardware Guide has an article up entitled 'Unwieldy Laptops or Portable Desktops?' in which the author lugs an Alienware Area-51m desktop replacement to a 32 hour LAN to assess what advantages and disadvantages desktop replacements have over desktops themselves." They also have a related article entitled The Case of the 11 Pound Pencil where an office adopts a desktop replacement solution to unsatisfactory ends. Both interesting looks at appropriate uses for hefty hardware.
Shared devices (Score:5, Interesting)
I always get aggravated the the market for desktop replacements is to totally replace everything you'd do on a desktop. For me, I prefer a memory stick over a CD-R. I don't need video outputs, and the need to shove every port into a portable machine doesn't seem cost or space or energy efficient.
How many of you with desktop replacements are really using all the options built into it? Hasn't the Internet mostly reduced the need for all these external connection points? For me, I set up a private WiFi AP at every location I visit, and I never have to worry about anything but battery life (I hate plugging my laptop in even to the AC outlet).
Re:Shared devices (Score:2)
Try something like the Acer tablet. If tablet's would just drop in price a bit I might even switch to using windows once in a while.
Re:Shared devices (Score:2, Interesting)
Oh, and there's no fan. None at all. When I unplug it, the harddrive spins down and it's _totally_ quiet.
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Re:Shared devices (Score:2)
I'm in the same boat only I'm in IT and our HPs are the massive 9600s. We haven't actually given them to our consultants yet because we're afraid of a revolt over the weight, but they're the only solution we currently have to the revolt over the poor performance of our current laptops.
Power vs. Weight. What do you do? In our case, like yours, this is no pencil replacement issue.
TW
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-nB
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BUT holy cow, it is a beast in terms of power as well...I use it for everything from development to gaming. I loved my old laptops but I was sick of getting a "transit" laptop rather than a full blown desktop replacement.
On the other hand...carrying the thing to work and everywhere I go daily does keep my arms nice and solid.
Re:Shared devices (Score:5, Interesting)
I have a Thinkpad T42 - and I use the modem, built-in wireless, built-in network, PC-Card slots, both USB ports, headphone & mic sockets & CD/DVD drive almost daily.
The only things on this that I don't use are the PS/2 keyboard socket and parallel port. The CD-Writing is rarely used too, but has saved my bacon a couple of times on-site (if I had an external writer, Murphy tells me I'll leave it at home when I need it most).
So while a lot of people can work with a laptop with minimal features (or even a desktop) some of us really do use the 'desktop replacement' features to their utmost. Once I get back to the office, this laptop slips into the docking station and works seamlessly with a nice big external TFT, keyboard and mouse, USB hub, network connection, etc.
Not to say I wouldn't prefer it was lighter, but it's far from the one in the linked article!
Mark
Re:Shared devices (Score:5, Insightful)
Walk into the average office building and you'll see a bunch of HP departmental laser printers that all have parallel ports (and very few if any have USB). If you think of the on-site salesman or consultant, they want to be able to print without worrying about how to get on someone's network.
Re:Shared devices (Score:2)
I found myself in the position of needing a parallel port on my laptop just last week, and I was perturbed that I didn't have one. Granted, it's the only time i
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-nB
*by any serial port I mean RS-232 std with possibly a non std connector and a dongle or how 'bout another RJ?
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-nB
Re:Shared devices (Score:3, Informative)
Because, as those of us who have to work for a living know: a TON of important software uses it for the dongle!
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17" widescreen, 3.4 ghz p4, dvd-burner, geforce 6800 go, 1 gb ram, 80 gb hd (7200 rpm) and a _REALLY REALLY_ crappy soundcard (my ooold 16-bit soundblaster sounded much better)
do i use all the features of this laptop? no
do i move it around? not really
is it good for applications that require a lot of cpu/io/mem and for games? yes, very much so
it's good to be able to move it around, although i almost never (when i go somewhere, i take my 15" powerbook)
and oh, btw, the
Re:Shared devices (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Shared devices (Score:2)
Which is why that if ever these hand cranked $100 laptops appear in a commercial version, I will be first in line to get one. They're going to be insanely useful things - imagine not having to lug cables or anything else except a paperback sized box for browsing and word processing whenever and wherever you liked - on the beach, in a coffee shop, on a train. Sling it into a bag, crank it up
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They do offer good performance for a reasonable size (perhaps one of the best regular style laptops I've ever used), but it's just not in the same league as those old viao picturebooks. Those things almost fit in your pocket. Sure the screen was some obnoxious resolution (1024x400 or something, you had to scroll it up and down) and the battery life was crummy unless you had the extended battery bar attached, but man, those things were portable. You didn't need
Re:Shared devices (Score:2)
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For purposes like this, WiFi and an array of USB ports would suffice. I use about 2GB of the 6GB HDD. Neither the floppy nor CD ports get much use. I only use one of the PCMCIA slots for WiFi. The 800x600 screen (It's an old P3/600 machine) is a bit small though, and if the TV-Out
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41 = Old, but cheap, and with usable power
60 = New, fast (it's actually a Core Duo), not cheap
60s = New, fast (Core Duo again), smaller, and also not cheap
Re:Shared devices (Score:2)
Which makes me wonder, why not have just one or two 'mother' ports and a peripheral that you can plug in to give yourself all the others you might need? Maybe that's what USB is supposed to be, but I look at my machine and USB doesn't seem very 'universal' to me. Video, sound, network and other stuff still on other ports. Is such a mother port impossible?
Re:Shared devices (Score:2)
Re:Bean Counters and Laptop Specs (Score:3, Informative)
Graphics cards have a finite amount of resources in them, such as memory, and they decided to spend the resources on more color depth per pixel instead of more pixels. 1024x768 is more resolution than 800x600. 800x600x24 is better than 800x600x8, but as a programmer, or writer, or diagram-drawer, or web-reader, I need more pixels a lot more than I need more colors. For looking at satellite imagery in the late 80s, it w
The 11lb. pencil is an example (Score:5, Interesting)
The Desktop Repleacement Laptop, is an interesting read: The machine held up in the LAN Party (E.G. Extremely heave use) for the first 2/3 of the party, then started giving some errors that they have seen in desktops as well. The Machine itself appears to be a desktop shoehorned into a LARGE laptop case.
While personally, transportable computers are anathama to me. (I don't want anything over six pounds (3Kg.) If you really want to run fraggers that most of my machines will choke on... more power to you. No, literally - remember to bring an extension cable.
my $.02
Re:The 11lb. pencil is an example (Score:2)
Come again? (Score:3, Insightful)
Since when did any "IT Professional" ever consider purchasing a fucking AlienWare machine? A laptop that has "a little alien head on the back"? Or is someone trying to convince me that gamer kids should now be considered "IT Professionals"?
Re:Come again? (Score:2)
I saw a rumor a few days back about Dell buying Alienware. I saw this website a few months back and assumed the same thing.
Re:Come again? (Score:4, Funny)
Well... Maybe the guys who work at SETI
Grow up..... (Score:3, Insightful)
My Alienware laptop has been doing stirling service for more than two years. They use high grade components with good build quality and the highest performance in a laptop at the time, just what I was looking for.
I've been an IT professional since well before it was 'trendy'.
My question is why would someone NOT buy a laptop because it had an alien head on it ?
Re:Grow up..... (Score:2)
At any rate, while this may not be the norm, I've heard horror stories about Alienware refusing to support their equ
Re:Come again? (Score:4, Interesting)
If I were a sales guy, whipping out an OMGGAMEZ0RD00D laptop might look a bit professional, especially when the Quake "humiliation" sound plays instead of the usual "ding" beep. For IT folks in an office it's no worse than lugging around a Dell 8000/9000 laptop.
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Re:Come again? (Score:2)
This reminds me of... (Score:5, Insightful)
Typical (Score:5, Interesting)
Frustrating.
Are Lan Parties still Revalant. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Are Lan Parties still Revalant. (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Are Lan Parties still Revalant. (Score:2)
Re:Are Lan Parties still Revalant. (Score:2)
Sorry, still doesn't count.
Yes, they are (Score:4, Insightful)
Also, a LAN tends toward rock-solid near-zero latency. I know that many FPS gamers appreciate this.
Re: Yes, they are (Score:3, Funny)
Lag... (Score:4, Interesting)
as the internet traffic is continuing to rise , but the backbone Infrastructure
is not receiving upgrades at critical points .
This is causing slow web browser loads, intermittent disconnects, and ping times
that spike from time to time at predictable points along a trace route .
The choke points are literally choking, and you can run network monitoring
tools to see where various ISPs and long haul providers are skimping
on spending and it is causing odd behaviour from our broadband .
It doesn't happen all the time, but at peak usage times it is more prevelant .
Ppl in online games like everquest often type in messages to ppl on different
ISP networks the question "lag???" and get a chorus of resounding echoes "yes" .
Some of this could be blamed on the game servers, and networks til you look at
a test that was done by myself .
Different game, Different provider, Different ISP, corresponding lag spikes .
Key points of DNS or routing is reaching critical mass .
It could be the massive increase of p2p apps, it could just be total traffic,
I do not know, but it does pose a important question.
How bad is this going to get ?
Ex-MislTech
Re:Are Lan Parties still Revalant. (Score:2)
The lan parties I've been to at friends houses are first and foremost social events. They are usually accompanied by a keg and a table of snacks which everyone contributes to. Being an all out geek fest people tend to bring their favorite gadgets and such. At any given time there is a small group not playing and just hanging out.
The last one I went to actually had a female. Yes slashdot....a female. Times they are a changin.
Re:Are Lan Parties still Revalant. (Score:5, Funny)
Hosts Mom?
Re:Are Lan Parties still Revalant. (Score:2)
Duplex Printers (Score:3, Interesting)
He also mentioned showing them how to flip the page.
I have an old HP 682C. When I first got it for a Windows 95 system, HP's driver had a duplex feature built in. When you selected duplex printing, it would prompt you with a picture showing you exactly how to flip the pages around and insert back into the machine to print on the other side.
Now, on XP, I have to use the MS driver. It doesn't have a duplex feature so I have to do it manually, remembering that when printing even pages only that I have to set the "print in reverse order" check box. Sometimes I forget and waste a tree. And for some wacky reason, I just can't get MS Word to do this correctly. It's like it ignores the check boxes or something - Arrg!
My point is: doesn't HP's drivers come with this "manual" duplex feature anymore? That way, these folks on really tight budgets can get a much cheaper machine and still print "duplex" without having to remember or read notes on exactly how to position the paper. Yeah I know, it does seem like an incredibly stupid thing to deal with. But when you have a lot of shit going on, it's really easy to screw it up.
Re:Duplex Printers (Score:2)
Yes. I use it all the time on my PSC2410 (two years old?) under WinXP. Go to Properties | Finishing Tab and check Print on Both Sides and uncheck Automatic.
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I never use it, however, because I almost always use scrap paper that has already been printed on one side. I'm sure that the people at the university library think I'm weird but whenever I'm low on paper I just grab handfuls of paper out of the big pile of printouts that people never picked up.
Re:Duplex Printers (Score:2)
But I always hated manual duplexing. One misfeed and you've wasted half a ream!
portable ENIAC (Score:5, Interesting)
Having that said, I'd like to say that I agree with this article. I think a lot of laptop use does not offer any benefits. I also think a lot of laptops are overkills.
Examples:
Now before anyone goes jumping down my throat, I'm only saying that most people don't seem to understand that buying the biggest, most expensive laptop isn't always the right choice. I don't expect a lot of those people to be reading this article right now, and I do think that laptops can be used effictively and efficiently by people who know what they are doing. I just think that 90% of the time, this is not the case.
Re:portable ENIAC (Score:2, Informative)
1) A large desktop replacement laptop was chosen when a thin and light laptop or PDA would have been a better choice.
2) The PDF files required duplex printing when the office had only single-sided printers.
3) Users weren't adequately trained on how to manage t
Re:portable ENIAC (Score:5, Funny)
Re:portable ENIAC (Score:2)
Good for you. Now, when you have 3 people in a group project trying to share what they did have fun loading each other's stuff on whatever computer y
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I'm pretty sure someone out there does, though. King Kong, maybe.
Back in college, I took a software engineering class where I was the only student without a laptop. I also go the highest grade in the class. The laptops were distractions. I saw people using instant messenger, playing video games, reading sl
Re:portable ENIAC (Score:3, Insightful)
Given his job (from what you've described) requires being in active construction sites, it's not inconceivable that accidents happen. If you've never worked in government, IT managers have a tendency to overspec equipment anyway, so if they're going to pay a premium, from a
HP pavilion ZD8000 (Score:5, Funny)
The nice thing is, the 2.8 GHz processor and constantly running fans literally warm up the entire room where I happen to be working and provide a pleasant, white-noise droning all the time. My hands stay nice and toasty because there are built-in handwarming areas. Plus I can keep my coffee reasonably warm by resting it on top of the power brick.
All in all, no complaints from me.
This is a product review?! (Score:5, Interesting)
We can only put the instability down to sheer wear and tear.
Wait a second. This machine got a positive review. I'm sorry, but I don't see how instability after 24 hours of usage on a brand new machine can in any way be considered tolerable unless usage involves throwing large blunt objects at the thing. What am I missing here? I can think of a lot of processor intensive tasks that take longer than 24 hours to complete, and I *really* do not want to see any instability while they are in the middle of running. Are my expectations out of line here?
Re:This is a product review?! (Score:2)
Maybe. If you're not designing nuclear weapons(*) or doing CGI for a major motion picture, I'm not sure why your processor is working overtime for more than 24 hours. And if you are doing those things, I don't know why you'd use a notebook.
(* If you are doing this, please don't gripe th
Re:This is a product review?! (Score:5, Insightful)
1) The stink
2) The gymnasium AC wasn't buit for 200 people each toting a 300 W rig. That's about 60 kW of heat being dumped into the air constantly.
We hit temperatures of abut 35 deg C (95 F) in the middle of the gymnasium before the doors were opened.
I wouldn't be surprised if this was part of the problem. Using a computer in a non ventilated hot area will make it difficult for it to be stable if it's only designed to be used in "normal" temperatures. Doesn't matter if it's a laptop or a desktop at that point.
Re:PS (Score:2)
Machine was in motion for 32 hours straight - how? (Score:3, Interesting)
Was this done by one person or a group? From the article you would think that the guy sat there playing games for 32 hours straight.
If it was just one person, this marathon gaming feat should be immediately entered into The Guinness Book of World Records. [guinnessworldrecords.com]
There are currently no entries for marathon LAN gaming.
Re:Machine was in motion for 32 hours straight - h (Score:2, Informative)
If there was, it wouldn't go to someone playing 32 hours straight. It would go to that Korean man who died after playing for 50 hours. [BBC News [bbc.co.uk]]
Re:Machine was in motion for 32 hours straight - h (Score:2)
Yes, people (mostly kids) DO go upwards of 48 hours without sleeping, showering, eating or even keeping their intake of liquid up.
Exhaustion due to lack of sleep, dehydration and low levels of blood sugar (is that correct?) is a real concern for those running the party.
32 hours doesn't sound that extreme to me, when I attended The Gathering '93 and '94 we kept it up in the same manner. We didn't game much though, mostly coding and using their über 1.5 Mbit
firewire? (Score:2, Funny)
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Less of a difference than there used to be. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Less of a difference than there used to be. (Score:2)
RAID array! (Score:2, Funny)
From TFA:
Wow, how'd they pack all those drives in there?
One computer. (Score:4, Insightful)
For some home users the fact that they can just put it into a desk drawer when they are "I know this part will shock you all" not using it is a big plus.
What is even more strange is some people don't think that computers are an attractive part of their home decor and want them out of site when not in use.
That ideal set up is a small light notebook for portable use and a desktop for heavy use but for many they have to find a one computer solution.
Re:One computer. (Score:2, Funny)
I know I do, it's referred to in hushed tones around the household as "The Temple" and smells of incense and candles.
The Temple? (Score:2)
I mean can you write off the power bill, and upgrades as tithing?
Re:The Temple? (Score:2)
Small form factor systems and eSATA (Score:2)
I run an internal AMD64 build of ubuntu on the 330P, and load the i386 as a chroot. I also have a windows and OS X development enviroments under the Linu
The cure for the 11 lb pencil (Score:2)
My laptop and Palm have been sitting in a drawer since I started using a Hipster...
Re:The cure for the 11 lb pencil (Score:2)
Two Words: (Score:5, Interesting)
Now, I now we all need to pay for our precious little websites somehow, but if the real estate is 90% advertising and 10% "original content" -- and a one-page article is spread across five, I stop reading...well, lately I don't even start. The advertisements wouldn't bother me as much if people would just keep the article all on one page. You know, we do have these things called "scroll bars," so we don't have to load the same 1MB of crap five times just to find out what happened to sister Debbie's "11lb pencil."
Honestly...
perfect for iMac (Score:5, Informative)
iMacs are wonderful for desktop use and relatively portable when it comes down to it... ie: you can move them around by yourself... all the connections are easy to get to, they have built in wireless so no need to rewire or extend the network to a new space.. if you have a wall port for ethernet no problem... built in speakers and headphone jacks for privacy... the new ones have the built in iSight for video conference and all have a built in mic for audio conference. New ones have bluetooth built in for use with wireless input and for synching up your pda with entourage or ical....
Bonjour is a god send for IT... just buy a printer that uses zeroconf and you'll never have label another ip address on it again just 'add printer' and pick bonjour , voila.. the printer shows up and will work without special drivers, though you may want to download them for extra features for special people...
So many nice things to say about the combo of OS X and iMac for office use.
Re:perfect for iMac (Score:5, Insightful)
Centrino laptops these days are powerful enough for most things (I can play BF2 on mine with decent graphics setttings) and have at least 3hr battery life in normal desktop usage
Re:perfect for iMac (Score:2)
I wasn't talking about people who travel... was talking about office workers... those who work in offices 90% of the time. The other 10% they can take a company laptop with them. For those who do travel to various extra office meetings a lot whether long distance or down the street.. of course a desktop replacement is a good choice and with all the peripherals as well...
Re:perfect for iMac (Score:2)
That said, the main advantage of having a laptop as your main computer is that it doesn't matter where you are, your entire work environment is right there, with no synchronisation problems and no software licence problems.
Catering to a specific niche market (Score:2)
I'd be hard pressed to find anyone else that could find the new 11lb DTRs useful. I have a sager 9750 and it suits my purposes perfectly (I'm a web developer, programmer, graphic artist and gamer). I do transport the machine, but rarely run it off of the b
Cheaper Than A New House (Score:2)
Right idea, wrong CPU (Score:2)
Or buy the Aurora M7700 [alienware.com], which is the same thing but with an Athlon 64 X2 CPU. Significantly less heat and way better performance. That would be much less likely to overheat than the P4 version. Plus bringing a recently purchased P4 machine to a LAN party is a good way to scream "CLUELESS!" to your fellow gamers.
Better yet, get the same Clevo D900K [amdboard.com] notebook without the expensive bling from a vendor with a less elaborate market
There's a trade-off, of course (Score:2)
My personal leaning has always been towards the small/lightweight side of the equation. After all, I'm much less likely to lug around a 15x17", 15-pound behemoth that runs on ba
I long for a modern affordable clamshell pc (Score:2)
The review sucks (Score:3, Insightful)
-No mention of the performance other than that it was okay for the LAN party.
-The reviewer says that the pictures don't really show the size of the machine. Well, why doesn't he take some pictures of the device instead of using photoshopped stuff that probably came from the manufacturer's press office??
-He talks about the weight and the battery life, but provides no information about it (apart from saying that it's heavier than a monitor).
Okay, maybe the reviewer was stll hung over from the LAN party. But then, why doesn't he wait until the next day to write a sensible review?
This review is nothing more than a feel-good piece of writing that does not provide much more info than what could be gleaned from the manufacturer's web site or a store. It's more like an ad-even though he mentions the problems that arose later on.
Re:Well... (Score:5, Informative)
I'm not sure if the parent post was just unfunny or ignorant, but it's definitely -1 overrated.
Re:Well... (Score:3, Funny)
noun,
An archaic instrument for writing or drawing, consisting of a thin stick of graphite or a similar substance enclosed in a long thin piece of wood or fixed in a metal or plastic case.
Re:Well... (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Well... (Score:3, Informative)
Both the Americans and the Russians used pencils in orbital flights in the early days of the space race. However, they both realized that it was kind of a bad idea to be using something that shedded little bits of graphite or lead into a zero-G, high-oxygen, stuffed-with-electronics environment. So a company, Fischer maybe, not the US government, spent about a million US dollars developing the "space pen" which was then sold to both the Russians and NASA.
Re:The Area 51 is worth it. (Score:2)
Are you sure you are happy with that purchase? If I spent thousands of dollars on a top of the line laptop and I had to do that to keep it cool I would be pissed.
I carried more weight when I was in the Army
I don't understand why you are comparing this to a laptop... of course you carried more weight in the Army. For the rest of us, it might just be too heavy. That's like saying I used t