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Infinium Phantom Lapboard Coming to PC?

Posted by ScuttleMonkey on Wed Jan 04, 2006 03:22 PM
from the believe-it-when-you-see-it dept.
JamesO writes to tell us that Infinium Labs has announced the release of their "Phantom Lapboard" for later this year. From the article: "Infinium Labs' Phantom game service is still to launch, despite claims years ago that it would appear at Christmas 2004, but this hasn't stopped the company from continuing with the system's development. One of the most talked about aspects of the system is its wireless keyboard and mouse combo called the Lapboard. Infinium Labs has decided that the Lapboard is so good that it will be released as a peripheral for PC users in quarter-two 2006. What makes the Lapboard unique is that the keyboard can be angled upwards to create a surface for the mouse to operate on underneath. The device is also wireless and can operate at a distance of up to 30 feet."
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technoid_ writes "Looks like the Infinium Labs Phantom Game Console is put on hold until they can secure some more funding. Right now the company is focusing on getting its Phantom Lapboard to the market, and may pursue the Phantom Game service later. Interesting note, they have spent almost 4 times as much on Consultants as they have in development costs so far." From the article: "From its inception in December of 2002 through September of last year, Infinium racked up $62.7 million in losses. Of that, only $3.5 million has been lost to development costs. The company has spent more than half that in advertising, even though none of its products or services have been released yet. More of the company's money has been going toward consultants ($12.8 million), salaries ($11.9 million), and general and administrative expenses ($5.9 million)."
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Opposable Thumbs, over at Ars Technica, points out something we have have overlooked last week when Infinium Labs opened its books. Besides dropping the Phantom in favour of getting the keyboard to market, one of their business plans calls for the company to "infiltrate best-in-class video game communities with simple, easy to understand message and seeding on tech blogs, gaming sites and on-line player forums with compelling imagery and links to lapboard eye candy." Because that's sure to net them some goodwill and customer loyalty.
[+] Games: Phantom Lapboard Delayed 39 comments
JamesO writes "The unique keyboard and mouse combo finds a manufacturer, but slips from its Q2 release date." From the article: "Infinium Labs' Phantom game service may never see the light of day, but at least something positive will come from the project in the shape of the system's keyboard and mouse combo. What makes the Lapboard interesting is that it features a keyboard that can be angled upwards to reveal a surface on which a mouse can operate. This means the device is perfect for use on your lap (hence the name) and ideal for those who no longer sit at a desk when using their PC."
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  • MouseBoard? (Score:4, Funny)

    by biocute (936687) on Wednesday January 04 2006, @03:23PM (#14394941) Homepage
    You mean like the MouseBoard [xmoo.com]?
    • it's not much worse, judging by the picture. i can't figure out a way to hold that that seems like it would be comfortable in my mind.

      also, woo, 4 days in and we have our first phantom story of the year!
  • What's the point (Score:3, Insightful)

    by vectorian798 (792613) on Wednesday January 04 2006, @03:24PM (#14394946)
    If I am sitting away from my computer I can't see my interface as well and that matters a lot in most games.
    • Few Ideas (Score:4, Insightful)

      by everphilski (877346) on Wednesday January 04 2006, @03:29PM (#14395004) Journal
      Uh, big screen TV or projector. Had a LCD projector back in college, I had a computer wired to it and friends would bring over consoles all the time for gaming sessions. You could easily sit 15-20 feet away and still have a good view...

      -everphilski-
      • Yup.

        I have a projector at home. I use it for both HDTV and have a computer connected to it. 120" diagonal. Believe me, you have no problem seeing it from 20' away!

        I have both an xbox, ps2 and computer connected to it. Wow. it rocks! HD gaming rocks. I have a bluetooth wireless keyboard and mouse as my computer is well, probably about 20 feet away from the area I usually sit. I had to go bluetooth because other wireless technologies for keyboard/mouse just didn't do it.

        On the side. I wish there were more cho
        • You can't do this with a bluetooth keyboard and mouse, but you can get a conventional (dongle) wireless keyboard and mouse, plug them into a USB KVM switch with hotkey support, and control two computers from across the room. To switch between systems you press the hotkey combination: on mine it's a double-tap of the [Scroll Lock] key. I use this setup in my home to control a Linux and Power Mac box. The KVM is some $30 job from NewEgg; email me if you want the brand.

          Actual dual-pairability of BT devices wou
    • You don't have to use it only for games if they sell it as an add-on for PCs. I sit on the sofa when I'm watching TV or videos on my media PC. When I need to surf the web during commercials or whatever, I put a keyboard on my lap and run the mouse on the sofa.

      The Lapboard still doesn't seem to have a point, though. It looks like it would be more cumbersome and not do anything better than what I have now.
    • If I am sitting away from my computer I can't see my interface as well and that matters a lot in most games.

      If I had a high def TV that had DVI inputs then I could see this being used in a living room situation.

      Actually, I have a second computer which I play from the floor near my stereo (lack of room in my apartment) and tend to put the keyboard on my lap and use the mouse on a book. This could come in handy, but seeing who is making it... I'm not going to pre-order it.

      I'd only buy one if I saw a physical
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 04 2006, @03:25PM (#14394958)
    It's a fucking keyboard and mouse with integrated mouse tray.

    It isn't exactly a next generation console is it?

    I mean, that'd be like the Sony PS3 being a budget DVD player. Or something.
  • by Rude Turnip (49495) <<moc.liamg> <ta> <noitaulav>> on Wednesday January 04 2006, @03:26PM (#14394973)
    "What makes the Lapboard unique is that the keyboard can be angled upwards to create a surface for the mouse to operate on underneath."

    So let me get this straight...this keyboard will cover my lap and my right hand will be moving around on a surface underneath the keyboard? I can already imagine mothers everywhere fainting when they accidentally walk in on their kids playing games. "Honestly, mom, I was just playing with my mouse!" "Oh my God!, is that what you're calling it these days?!?!"
  • by dc29A (636871) on Wednesday January 04 2006, @03:26PM (#14394974) Homepage
    2006 is the year!

    Can't wait to play Duke Nukem Forever on my Phantom Game Console!
  • Great... (Score:3, Funny)

    by WTBF (893340) on Wednesday January 04 2006, @03:27PM (#14394980)
    Now I will have something to play Duke Nukem on.
  • Hmm (Score:3, Insightful)

    by thesnarky1 (846799) on Wednesday January 04 2006, @03:27PM (#14394988) Homepage

    I don't know about you, but I don't like hitting my hand every time I bring it up to type. My roommate has a desk with the mouse lower like this and boy does it suck. If anyone here has ever played a game where you have to switch between the mouse and the keyboard (say for chatting between you and teammates) this not only kills the time it takes to get up to the keyboard, but you DO hit your hand a lot.

    Not to mention the fact that you arms are going to cross in this case with the mouse directly below the keyboard.

    If this is any indication of their console, they shoulda just launched years ago with two paper-cups and some string... their launch title? Telephone. Multiplayer, you just have to pass the controller between each pair of players. But look, no limit on amount of players!

  • So... (Score:4, Insightful)

    by faloi (738831) on Wednesday January 04 2006, @03:28PM (#14394991)
    Instead of a console that doesn't technically exist, they're shipping a keyboard that has no possible value whatsoever. I know that their VC's must be chomping at the bit to get something out of 'em, but c'mon.
    • I agree. That said, when the keyboard was first shown I (and many others) thought that it was an EXCELLENT DESIGN for what it is. While I wouldn't use it for a desktop or laptop (who would), it is perfect for a Home Theater PC. When you still need a keyboard, it is an excellent arrangement because you can use the keyboard and mouse at the same time, there is a mousing surface there (I'd only be worried the mouse would slide off). I think it seems like a very nice design.

      But at least they will finally try t

  • by mmell (832646) <mike@the-mells.com> on Wednesday January 04 2006, @03:29PM (#14395001) Homepage
    Are these guys paying for advertising? This isn't some new technology, nor even an emerging piece of standard hardware. This is just a wireless keyboard/mouse combo with what (to my eye) looks to be a cheap plastic lapboard.

    I'd be more inclined to pick up a cheaper wireless keyboard/mouse set and grab one of those ancient Sun mousepads (remember Sun's optical mouse, the one which required a metal mousepad with a grid painted on?).

    Don't have an antique Sun mouse pad? I suspect any old clipboard or other flat surface will do nicely.

    • I have one of the said Sun mice. I never got it to work though. Ive tried every surface under the sun (no pun intended), and nothing seems to work... at all
    • by Roblimo (357) on Wednesday January 04 2006, @04:13PM (#14395392) Homepage Journal
      It's sort of an in-joke. Look at the 2004 article on ITMJ [itmanagersjournal.com] ScuttleMonkey's post links to, which was my final debunking of the whole Phantom/Infinium business, written immediately after a banquet Infinium held for "investors and friends" at Michael's On East, an upscale restaurant in Sarasota, Florida.

      During the banquet, which Infinium founder Tim Roberts *insisted* I had to come to (possibly because I'm the only tech journalist in or near Sarasota), he and former Microsoftie Kevin Bachus, who was Infinium President at the time, kept asking me what I thought of their latest business and marketing plan, as in, "Would it succeed?" (Also, Tim kept asking, "How's the food?" which was decent but not great.) And did my much younger friend, Matt Moen, who came with me, think he'd be interested in the Phantom, being he was the "target" age for their marketing program?

      As it says in the article, the only interesting or potentially marketable product Matt and I saw from Infinium at that point was their keyboard/mouse thing, which looked like it would be kind of cool for couch computing. Kevin told us they weren't interested in the lapdesk as a product, that they were concentrating on the console and game service, which would debut shortly. Remember: this was in *2004*, and they'd already been saying "Next month, really, we promise, we'll have a product to show you" for nearly two years before that.

      Now the lapdesk seems to be the only product the company is actually able to bring to market. So Matt and I get to have a big laugh (which you are free to share), and say, "We told you so!" :)

      - Robin
      • It may be a good insider joke, but I'm sure people who've actually sunk money into this "company" are far from amused. (No, I don't play stocks.)

        I'd seriously like to know how many years of nonsense marketing, nonexistent products, and continued market blather are required before an investor group or the government finally says "Enough!" and shuts them down or jails those responsible.

        • by Roblimo (357) on Wednesday January 04 2006, @08:20PM (#14397373) Homepage Journal
          I don't have an answer to this question. It might be tomorrow, it might be next year, and it might be never.

          I am neither an investor nor a prosecutor.

          My only contact with Infinium has been to interview several of its CEOs, corporate officers, and board members, read all available information about the company (including SEC filings and its own promotional material), and analyze the company's prospects the same way any competent reporter or analyst would, using provable information instead of rumors, gossip, and hearsay.

          If Infinium, its founders, or its major shareholders are ever sued or indicted, I'll probably be subpoenaed as a witness. If that happens I'll let you know.

          One word of advice: if you ever think about investing in a tech company (or any other kind of company), check not only the company's obvious financial track record but how well it keeps commitments, including but not limited to releasing products and paying suppliers on time. Information about a company's bill-paying history can be obtained -- for a fee -- through Dun & Bradstreet and other corporate credit reporting agencies. In the Internet age, information about how well a company keeps its product release promises can be obtained free through Google and other search engines.

          - Robin
  • it looks like a Commodore 64 with bowlegs. how is having your mouse UNDER your keyboard a good idea?
  • Fool me once shame on you
    Fool me twice shame on me
    Fool me thrice erm well I forget this thing, but you get the idea...
  • Angled Keyboard? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by XMilkProject (935232) on Wednesday January 04 2006, @03:31PM (#14395020) Homepage
    So I looked at the picture and the first thing I think to myself is "How the f*ck am I supposed to type efficiently with my keyboard at a huge angle"

    So I sat for a moment, puzzled as to how they thought this thing would be useful...

    Then I decided to try it myself, So i've propped my keyboard up at a comparable angle, and I'm typing on it right now... I've got to admit it hasn't slowed my typing down at all, or decreased my accuracy (Although it does obviously take longer to make the keyboard->mouse->keyboard transition with the right hand)

    While I'm still able to type quite well, I can't help but get the feeling that this could be a near-instant cuase of a significant repetitive stress injury, with all the odd angles and such.

    Also, if the keyboard is in your lap, how do you get to your ........
  • Which is to say, the LapBoard is as far as they've gotten on development, right? It helps when you have employees actually working on stuff. :-/

    Seriously, doing a good job creating a game console is HARD. Compounding that difficulty is the fact that you need game producers all lined up with new games at launch time. This idea that they were going to take PC hardware and run PC games was never a very good one. Microsoft tried it (and failed), and they DID have game producers lined up! Now the latest generati
  • by Qubit (100461) on Wednesday January 04 2006, @03:31PM (#14395027) Homepage Journal
    If you look at the picture in the article, it sure looks like there's a wire coming out of the mouse.

    For a product from Infinium Labs, I'd expect both the keyboard and the mouse to be wireless. Hell, I'd expect the dang thing to READ your friggin' MIND and move itself around FOR you.

    Besides, I heard that their CEO strangles puppies to get off.
    I mean, that's just something I heard somewhere. [penny-arcade.com]
  • Okay... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Irvu (248207) on Wednesday January 04 2006, @03:32PM (#14395028)
    I'll Beleieve it when I see it on the shelves.

    As a side note, and this is nothing personal about Infinium but why is it that pre-produce launches have become so necessary. I mean I know that announcing new airplanes in advance of ground tests and so on is necessary to drum up funding, or just spit in the eyes of those who said you would never "make it" but why is it that every company has to tell the world about its products before they exist just to keep shareholders happy. First the shareholders demanded regular updates and yearly profits. Now they expect quarterly profit gains. Before you had to have a new product on the market each year. Now it seems you have to have a new pre-product announcement each quarter (just look at Apple).

    I can't help but think that the focus on short-term gains and announcements bodes ill in the long run for any company.
  • Lapboard + Any PC with TV-out + Gametap = Phantom.

  • Dang, that thing looks like such a nightmare I can't even decide on what sort of snide ergonomics-related comment to make. Therefore:

    [Insert snide comment on the horrific ergonomics of that device here]
    • Since they haven't quite finished Duke Nukem Forever, instead of shipping the full version, they'll be providing a 2d Flash version- because it was just too good not to ship.
  • Anyone wanna bet that this is the only piece of hardware that Infinium ever ships?
  • It should be noted (Score:5, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 04 2006, @03:38PM (#14395084)
    That Infinium Labs is looking for ANOTHER $2,000,000 in funding in order to manufacture these. This isn't so much a press release as it is a plea to investors to give them more money. You will never see these in stores, at least not from IL.
  • by binaryDigit (557647) on Wednesday January 04 2006, @03:40PM (#14395104)
    The Phantom game service is still very much something Infinium Labs wants to pursue in the future and Infinium Labs CEO Greg Koler believes the release of the Lapboard is "the perfect stepping stone and bridges the subsequent launch of the full service further down the line."

    Perfect stepping stone! Subsequent launch, further down the line. Man, this guy just cracks me up. Did he actually make this quote with a straight face? Because I couldn't stop myself from laughing just reading it.

    Oh, and anyone else amused by the fact that they have apparently been working on this keyboard for over three years now, but yet it's STILL going to take them another 6 months to get it into peoples hands! If they were that far behind with the keyboard, just imagine where they are with the rest of the system :)
  • by Maul (83993) on Wednesday January 04 2006, @03:45PM (#14395140) Journal
    I'm amazed to see that these guys are still in business after years of vaporware.
  • makes the Lapboard unique is that the keyboard can be angled upwards to create a surface for the mouse to operate on underneath

    The operation of the mouse underneath is supposed to provide what advantage exactly? I see it just as another way of positioning a mouse, but maybe I just don't 'get it.'
  • Please don't tell me this has a patent attached to it. It's a shelf - a bog-standard shelf that sits on your lap! With a... hinge!

    In fact it reminds me of my first computer desk, which was built before mice were invented, so I had to stick the mouse on the shelf under the keyboard.

    However that I'd have to say I get by with a wireless keyboard and optical mouse just fine thanks. Optical mice work incredibly well on uneven surfaces, so I don't see the point in sticking what is - in effect - a glorified mous
  • Pricing for the Lapboard is still to be finalised, but assuming it's priced inline with other wireless keyboard and mouse combos it could well become... ..vapourware.

    I wonder if the Phantom console's investors ever envisaged that their money would be spent releasing a bluetooth keyboard an mouse.
  • God's gift to mouse users. [logitech.com]

    It is a shame that the mouse hit the tipping point and took over.

    I used a mouse since the first Macintosh. Earlier this year my right shoulder started to have some serious problems... pain that wouldn't go away for months. I switched to the trackman.

    Pain gone. I now find mice a bit clumsy. I mean, I have to move my whole arm?? Crazy.
  • Just wondering: why don't folks like Infinium Labs send their lame press releases straight to Slashdot to further enhance their free publicity? Geez, you might as well report on the next great video card to be produced by BitBoys. Perhaps if this had a Fark-like "Unlikely" or "Dumbass" tag it would be appropriate, but otherwise don't waste our (note: not claiming "valuable") time with this sort of nonsense.
  • by sc0ttyb (833038) * on Wednesday January 04 2006, @04:24PM (#14395491)
    I'm not giving those bastards a dime of my money. That whole lawsuit thing showed what kind of tools [penny-arcade.com] those people really are.
  • by FromWithin (627720) <(stuff) (at) (fromwithin.com)> on Wednesday January 04 2006, @05:19PM (#14396030) Homepage
    I saw this nearly two years ago at E3. It's really good. The keyboard flips up and rotates putting your hands in a perfect and compact position for first-person gaming. Depending on the price, it's certainly something that I'd be very interested in buying. You shouldn't be so cynical until you've been able to try it out.