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Optimus Mini Three OLED keyboard reviewed

Posted by CmdrTaco on Wed Sep 27, 2006 08:11 AM
from the well-thats-a-let-down dept.
Robbedoeske writes "The first Optimums Mini Three keyboards have been shipped to Holland and Tweakers.net managed to lay hands on one of them to review this precious gem." Apparently the drivers crash a lot, consume way to much CPU, the device is capable of only 3 frames per second, and the packaging makes the images look far more crisp than the actual device. And with a price tag of over $100, I'm scared to imagine what the price of a full keyboard will actually be should it ever actually ship. But it still would be neat.
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  • Don't worry (Score:5, Funny)

    by tygerstripes (832644) on Wednesday September 27 2006, @08:15AM (#16213443)
    This is just the basic Optimus.

    There's more to the Prime edition than meets the eye.

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward
        Or do we think this is hardware limitation?

        Per the article, the software is constantly updating the images to make sure they have the correct images, this is surely driving the CPU load higher than it needs to be

        • Re:Don't worry (Score:5, Insightful)

          by rblancarte (213492) on Wednesday September 27 2006, @09:09AM (#16214131) Homepage
          Then why not have some descent embedded controller built into the keyboard that controlled this? IE - the only real communication between the CPU and keyboard (outside of typing) is a refresh of what application is running. Then the keyboard micro-controller would be notified of the change and update the keys accordingly. Then the CPU doesn't even have to worry about what to display - just make sure that the keyboard is aware of current state. Heck, state changes like key-press (changing what the keys look like when you press ctrl or alt) wouldn't even touch the CPU - they would be known about by the controller, and it could modify they keys accordingly.

          To me, this is a very cheap way to make the keyboard much more effecient, yet not raise the cost much at all ($10-20 max).

          RonB
          • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

            BTW - the above statement is made without knowing the innards of this thing - they may already be doing this, so if they are - then CPU problems are really only a driver thing.

            RonB
      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        Maybe they could be convinced to open source the drivers and let the community take a shot at it. Or do we think this is hardware limitation?

        See here for hte docs and code [artlebedev.com]. This is really an Alpha version, but rapidly evolving according to TFA.

  • Any Key (Score:5, Funny)

    by Apocalypse111 (597674) on Wednesday September 27 2006, @08:18AM (#16213465) Journal
    Am I the only one who wants to make a driver hack for the Optimus so that when the computer says, "Press any key to continue" that there actually IS an Any key?
    • It might take so many CPU cycles that the keyboard detect would timeout, so all we would have is:

      Keyboard not found. Press any key to continue.

    • Re:Any Key (Score:5, Funny)

      by mwvdlee (775178) on Wednesday September 27 2006, @08:54AM (#16213929) Homepage
      This keyboard allows quick access to the three most commonly used keys; "Ctrl", "Alt" and "Delete". I just wonder whether the design is rugged enough to last a full week of Windows use.
        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          memories from the old DOS days....

          2 ways I saw of dealing with this stuff that were well done...

          instead of "press any key to continue" pk-software (surely you remember pk-zip) used "press a key to continue" which meant that anyone with a brain would hit whatever they wanted, but those clueless types could press "a" and everything would be fine.

          the second one was a keyboard I used to have, the main enter key was labelled "enter" but the one on the numeric keypad was labelled "return" (or vice-versa I can't r
  • Packaging? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by conigs (866121) on Wednesday September 27 2006, @08:18AM (#16213469) Homepage
    ...and the packaging makes the images look far more crisp than the actual device.

    I am shocked... shocked I tell you to learn that the image on the package looks better than the actual device. How could this possibly have happened? Who would dream of such a thing?

    Onto the device itself. I'm glad to see it develop and that it's more than just a concept. The technology is still in its infancy and it will take time for it to improve and come down to an affordable level. I'm looking forward to the day I can get a full keyboard like this.

    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      For the full keyboard it'd probably be better to use some kind of e-paper like system, you get the black and white contrast of your normal keys combined with the instant ability to switch languages or to FPS mode, albeit the latter with 4-shade greyscale icons. Color for the sake of color on such a small device seems pointless to me*

      *disclaimer: my PDA is about 6 years old, has 8mb ram, supports 16 shades of grey and a small but usable keyboard that you can actually type on, so i'm hardly the ultra techy ge
      • Color for the sake of color on such a small device seems pointless to me

        The thing is about colour in a user interface; if you don't notice it, it's doing it's job. Colour cues should be unconscious and subtle, instructing your mind of the widgets function without you having to think of it.

        Want to test this? Colour your "OK" option red and the cancel "green". See how many people it confuses.

        • Excuse me? Too slow? How often, exactly, do they think people actually need to change their keymap? Most of the time I use a UK layout. For some things I prefer a US layout. I have a French friend who would like to be able to switch to a French layout when he uses my machine. When I hold down option, it would be nice to see the symbols for special characters appear. Some applications (not to mention games) that have complicated keymaps could also benefit.

          None of these applications require a switch

        • If I remember correctly their FAQ states that, rather than color, they chose OLED over e-paper because current e-paper technology is way too slow.

          Yes, only OLED technology allows them to achieve dazzling frame rates of 3 FPS.

          I'm dumbfounded as to why they're shooting for the moon right out the game by trying to build devices with color OLEDs on every key. That's complicated and it's expensive -- save it for a later revision.

          If they had done a first-pass design that used, say, 8x8 1-bit LCD matrices on the
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      Indeed. Anybody want to take bets on how long it takes to go from "buggy, overpriced, and useless" to "cheap and indispensable"? I'm betting 5 years, max.

      Of course, when it becomes ubiquitious, there will be certain downsides. You think the "zap the mosquito" ad is annoying now?

      Wait until the mosquito starts buzzing around your keyboard.
      • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

        I see your point of "ads everywhere", however I'm going to stay optimistic here. So let's say they ship a utility that lets you manage this spiffy new keyboard. It might look like a 3rd party mouse control panel, N52 gamepad, Palm Sync app. I doubt very much that it would allow automatic flash .swf syncing, not to mention a flash player engine on the keyboard itself.

        Allow if it did, someone would write adblock to block the ads or TiVo for keyboards to skip the ads using magical time-shifting techniques.

        L
  • wrapup (Score:5, Funny)

    by camusflage (65105) on Wednesday September 27 2006, @08:19AM (#16213477) Homepage
    It's buggy, slow, fraudulently packaged, consumes an inordinate amount of your CPU, has been delayed many times, delivers on only a fraction of its originally advertised functionality, and is extremely expensive.

    Has someone let Steve Ballmer know that Optimus has stolen Microsoft's marketing plan?????
    • "It's expensive, slow, sucks CPU, and crashes. The packaging is photoshopped by the same guy who removes the moles, stretch marks and rolls of skin in the Victoria's Secret catalogues.

      BUT I GOTTA HAVE IT!"

      Steve Jobs must be behind this somewhere, because you are under the control of a powerful Reality Distortion Field.
  • by strredwolf (532) on Wednesday September 27 2006, @08:20AM (#16213491) Homepage Journal
    I read through the article, and it looked like just a normal embedded chip with extra RAM hooked in for the displays. I wouldn't be suprized if the extra CPU on the PC is used to refresh the displays often.

    Ugh.

    I think a OLED full keyboard would be cool, but maybe if they used a double-USB device scheme it would be better: USB Keyboard and small USB storage for storing GIF files of each key.
  • by nagashi (684628) on Wednesday September 27 2006, @08:23AM (#16213513) Homepage
    Imagine being able to use those to switch virtual desktops, and having an image of the virtual desktop on those keys! =O As a bonus side effect, that'll clear up a bit of room on the taskbar, which is a pretty big deal for me. I prefer to have as much room on my taskbar devoted to tasks and not other misc stuffs such as applets, a gigantic clock, or thumbnails of each desktop. I'm seriously getting twitchy about the prospect of this xDD
    • Also, consider various gaming possibilities:

      RTS
      Assign a group of units to a button, and the button picture changes to, say, what the majority unit is in that group! Also, you could use the keyboard as a secondary output device, and reserve, say, the numpad for an overhead map. Hell, you could press a key on the numpad to go to that area of the map on the screen, cutting down on scroll time.

      FPS
      Buttons light up for various weapons as they become available, complete with updating ammo counts! Ok, n
  • "Gem" (Score:2, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward
    The author of this article is hereby banned from using the word "gem" ever again, except to describe a precious stone.

  • by Anonymous Coward
    check this out,
    This site can actually cope with a slashdoting pretty easily,

    Nevertheless its pretty cool to look at their stats and see the slashdotting take place:
    http://tweakers.net/stats [tweakers.net]

    Scroll down to "reviews" to see the major increase in traffic since a few minutes.
  • OLED for Monitor (Score:4, Interesting)

    by in2mind (988476) on Wednesday September 27 2006, @08:27AM (#16213587) Homepage
    So we have OLED for keyboard?
    What actually happened to those predictions that OLED would soon replace LCD for monitors?? Is anything happening in the mainstream?
  • If you are watching porn is it possible to have a mini thumbnail of your video playback display on the keypad as well?

    This is a genuine question!
  • Other then "gadget factor" whats the real value in this?

    This reminds me of the "Tablet PC" revolution (I baught one). Although a great piece of technology there wasn't a significant increase in productivity or features that warented the extra effort to adapt to the technology.

    A big win for any "bleeding edge" technology is if the added productivity and features out way the effort to convert from an existing platform.

    Winning Examples:
    iPod (MP3 Player)
    Mouse -> Cordless Mouse
    Touchpad
    Cell Phone OS' (When a c
    • One-handed Keyboard

      I dont know to what special type of keyboard you are reffering but a) It is possible to write (fast!) with one hand in a normal keyboard (see Dvorak one handed keyboard [wikipedia.org]). I have seen someone in action with that key distribution and it is amazing.

      Tablet PC

      You defin Tablet PC as a loser, however I think there has been a lot of maket for this computers. I would like to buy one, however they are quite expensive (and I am quite poor), maybe you did not liked it, and saw it as a gadget because
  • Am I alone in reading the blurb on Slashdot and not having a clue what it was about? Please folks, a three word description for the unititated would be nice.

    Optimus was the Radio Shack speaker line at one time, so I immediately thought audio. Then I saw keyboard, then I saw three button, which sounds like a mouse. Then I saw excessive CPU usage, which doesn't sound like any keybaord OR mouse that I know of...

    At which point it seemed that there wasn't whole lot of reasons to RTFA.
  • by Stormwatch (703920) <rodrigogirao@hotma i l . com> on Wednesday September 27 2006, @08:41AM (#16213769) Homepage
    Unicomp. [pckeyboard.com] The true one and only heir to the IBM Model M.
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      I've an original Model M (keyspring), a Mattias Pro (Alps switch) and a Das Keyboard II (Cherry switch).

      The Das Keyboard II is nicer to type on than the IBM imho...
      • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

        Personaly I like the Das as well but I really prefer to have the keys marked so I got the Cherry G803000LPMUS-0 which is the same keyboard as the Das (gray instead of black though). They are still expensive but $67 for a good keyboard is not to bad. All the new high end keyboards or you could say quality mechanical keyboards are using the Cherry MX Liner keyswitches so why not buy from the source and save some money. The only problem is they are hard to find basicly only POS providers have them here in the
  • Dilbert tells the customer, "This is our new product, it has just one button and we push it in the factory before we ship it."
  • for NSFW keycaps!
  • by Grendel Drago (41496) on Wednesday September 27 2006, @08:55AM (#16213937) Homepage
    Thank you, to all the dorks who buy overpriced, half-baked, barely-functional products like this one. You fund the research and development that makes these things useful for the rest of us. We salute you.
  • It's a nice toy and all, but in my opinion, any practicality is fleeting. Here's why:

    I work with a lot of design programs every day. As such, I get tired of moving my mouse from one tool to the other and have discovered (unlike many in my office) the joy of shortcut keys. While I first needed a cheat sheet to help with the differences between my various programs, after some repitition I was able to easily remember "V" in Photoshop is "A" in Multi-Ad Creator. While an Optimus would have been ideal at firs
  • Got there and was told "De MySQL server ligt te slapen". Looks like I'll have to come back when the MySQL server decides to get up. I think it had a heavy night partying with /.ers.
  • Yay for NetworkMirror [networkmirror.com].
  • Dead Programmer has an informative review over here: http://www.deadprogrammer.com/optimus-mini-three-f ull-review [deadprogrammer.com]
  • OLED Mouse (Score:3, Insightful)

    by DeadCatX2 (950953) on Wednesday September 27 2006, @09:47AM (#16214663) Journal
    Why not make the OLED's mouse buttons instead?

    Two OLED buttons would be just fine.

    And they should be able to make a driverless interface using the HID class and USB. It's just silly to write your own drivers when USB drivers exist on all platforms to interface your hardware with.
  • by XMunkki (533952) on Wednesday September 27 2006, @10:08AM (#16214907) Homepage
    I bought one for the gadget-nerdiness-factor (about 8 months ago :). Now about a month ago they gave away the software + programming APIs. I was kinda disappointed at the spot, since this is not really a USB device. Inside, it uses an USB to serial converter. This is why the display refresh rate is kinda low. The screens themselves are 96x96 per screen, 16bit color. They tend to "flash" a little (I guess that's the OLED for ya).

    I've been programming this device for a weekends worth now. I checked the software they gave and it was ok. It does crash VERY often, though it's not the device that's causing the crashes. The USB to serial chip they use is made by Porlific and I think it's the PL-2303. Now googling for that seems to indicate prolific has had a bad history with working drivers.

    Now being the nerdy hacker type, it seems that for me it only crashes when disconnecting by software. So my solution was to create a stub program in C# that connects to the device, stays connected all the time and listens for incoming TCP connections and routes those to the device. This way the computer stays connected to the device all the time and I can restart the controlling software as often as I like. Haven't had any problems with this approach yet. Still I hope Prolific fixes their serial drivers.

    As for when it comes to the performance, I've noticed something weird. All of my software is currently in C# and has not been optimized. But when feeding the device with image data, the program that sends it to the device takes around 9%, while the program that generates the packets takes somwthing like 40%. This seems kinda weird and I do have some hope of fixing it. :)

    As for the device itself, the reviews I've read have been pretty accurate. It always makes me feel bad to press a display. And the buttons are not as "solid" as I'd like.

    But with enough work I hope to make even something good out of it. I was hoping of making an animated game, but no way of doing that with that serial adapter standing in between.
    • Re:It Shows Promise (Score:5, Interesting)

      by MindStalker (22827) <jlarsen@@@fsu...edu> on Wednesday September 27 2006, @08:29AM (#16213607) Journal
      While I don't see much purpose for the 3 button model, I can't wait to see how the full keyboard performs and what sort of price we'll be looking at to purchase one.

      Three words, awesome case mod!

      But practical use? No, not really, it could good for switching between virtual desktops. In some type of emergency management system you could even have a key blink if its associated desktop has some emergency situation you need to attend to.
      • But practical use? No, not really

        Are you referring to the three key or the full keyboard? Because I agree that the three key is not really practical. But a full keyboard, now that would have some incredible uses. The first one that pops in my head is multilingual support. I'm constantly driven nuts by those little stickers all over my keyboard. Not to mention that the only indication of which language you're using under Windows is the small blue box in the corner.

        Given how buggy Windows is at switching lang

      • There would be lots of uses. In games you could show icons with the actual functionality of the keys (fire, grenade, teleport, hyderdrive, whatever).

        In word processing applications you could show which keys do things such as undo, etc

        When you hold shift or caps the letters can switch between upper and lower case

        When you press CTRL the associated function keys could change to show their designated function.

        Lots of possibilities here, though a lot do depend on the software itself supporting the keyboa
    • Yeah, 50%, yada yada, but 450 mhz of whatever crap ass cpu they have in their review pc could likely be under 10% on a modern desktop chip.

      1. Have a look at some of those "crap ass CPUs" in laptops before shooting your mouth. An old 933 MHz P3 laptop will run circles around a similarly clocked P4 Prescott. The P3 features _much_ higher IPC (instructions per cycle). There's a reason why the Banias and Dothan (Centrino) and later Core/Core2 are based on the P3 core, and not on the P4.

      The Prescott still wins o

      • Or you could take his "math" to the next step. What would the CPU usage on a 104 key keyboard? By the same logic if it "only" uses 10% with 3 keys, with 104 it'd be... 347% CPU usage! Teh driverz are overclockn' my megahurtz!!
    • That's 50%... for a 3 button keyboard!