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Dual-core Athlon 64 X2 Laptop Reviewed 173

Posted by Zonk from the if-you-still-haven't-gotten-me-a-gift-this-would-be-okay dept.
Steve from Hexus writes "Dual core finds its way inside a laptop (albeit a not-so-portable DTR) in the form of Rockdirect's Xtreme64. The DTR features an Athlon 64 X2 4800+, two 7200rpm hard drives and a GeForce Go 6800 Ultra GPU. HEXUS.net has a review of the laptop, one of the most powerful we've seen hit the market to date." From the article: "Rather than change a formula that works, Rockdirect has opted to stick with the Clevo D900-based chassis that its other performance-based laptops use. The obvious downsides are bulkiness and weight, with the laptop sitting almost 5cm high and weighing in at 5.7kg. It's a desktop replacement in the truest sense of the words, and with an 8kg travel weight (including charger and supplied carrying case) and relatively poor battery life, it's about as portable as a concrete slab."
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  • Tax advantage (Score:5, Insightful)

    by MichaelSmith ( 789609 ) on Saturday December 31, 2005 @07:49AM (#14369834) Homepage Journal

    At my workplace we can salary sacrifice laptops but not desktops. This means you pay for the system out of your pre-tax income, which can make a good laptop cheaper than an equivalent desktop system.

    Its a silly rort, but it leads to people buying systems like this one because its portable.

    • Re:Tax advantage (Score:4, Insightful)

      by undeadly ( 941339 ) on Saturday December 31, 2005 @07:55AM (#14369846)
      Its a silly rort, but it leads to people buying systems like this one because its portable.

      It's also most likely sounds like a vacum cleaner due to fans needed to cool components in that constrained space.


    • At my workplace we can salary sacrifice laptops but not desktops. This means you pay for the system out of your pre-tax income, which can make a good laptop cheaper than an equivalent desktop system.

      You're spending your own hard-earned money so that the owners of your company will become wealthier?

      Please tell me that you have a substantial shareholder position in this enterprise.

      If not, then repeat the following 500 times a day: "I am not a slave, I am not a slave, I am not a slave."

      • Re:You are a fool. (Score:3, Informative)

        by Tony Hoyle ( 11698 )
        Why? This is common, and saves a lot of money on larger purchases. The company does not benefit - it's an employee perk.

        In the past I've saved thousands this way.

      • Re:You are a fool. (Score:3, Informative)

        by Tim C ( 15259 )
        No, *you* are a fool - or at least ignorant of the scheme the OP is talking about.

        The laptop is his, bought through a scheme which means that he effectively gets it cheaper than retail by the rate he pays income tax at. Thus if he pays income tax at 25%, he gets a £2000 laptop for £1500.

        The idea is that the company benefits because having a PC at home helps to increase the PC-literateness of its employees, and the government benefits because having a (more) PC-literate population potentially giv
        • The laptop is his, bought through a scheme which means that he effectively gets it cheaper than retail by the rate he pays income tax at.

          Unless you're a tax lawyer and can cite specific court cases that make such a think legal, I suspect you're very wrong.

          The company is buying the laptop with pre-tax dollars, and they own it. If they're turning around and give the laptop to the employees and no-one is paying any taxes on the transaction, someone is going to go to prison.
          • In the case where companies do this, they're really just passing along a tax break to their employees as a perk. The company still pays the tax in one way or another. They either pay taxes on the re-sale of the computer to the employee, or they have $2,000 less wage expenses to report. (I suspect the latter)

            I'm sure corporations have various legal ways of reporting the purchase so that they get a little kick-back themselves. Where the employee would have paid $500 tax, the corporation might pay $350 tax

  • Just Wait (Score:5, Funny)

    by soda160289 ( 776461 ) on Saturday December 31, 2005 @07:51AM (#14369837) Homepage
    Just wait until they start throwing server parts in there. Have you ever wanted to host a giant Oracle database ON THE GO?
    • Yes actually, We almost daily, do a large application demo with a series of laptops showing a real network environment. Often this is done with VMWare and one laptop as well, showing various user-level views. We indeed do it on todays modern laptops but started once on a P133 and P233 laptop.

      -M

    • Re:Just Wait (Score:3, Insightful)

      by (startx) ( 37027 )
      I thought that's what this laptop [tadpolecomputer.com] was for!
    • Wake up.

      Today's laptops are way beyond Oracle specs for hosting giant DBs.

  • It has a parallel port (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Saven Marek ( 739395 ) on Saturday December 31, 2005 @07:52AM (#14369839)
    Has anyone even seen any parallel port peripherals in the last 10 years?

    And then it skimps on firewire by only giving unpowered slow firewire 400
    • You're just mad because there's no place to plug in your ADB mouse.
    • I haven't seen any new ones, but up until recently I had a perfectly good HP laser printer that only had a parallel port. It drove me nuts when I couldn't connect it from some new laptops - especially my Powerbook.
      • a perfectly good HP laser printer that only had a parallel port. It drove me nuts when I couldn't connect it from some new laptops

        Did these new laptops not have USB or ethernet ports? Plenty of companies, from Belkin to brand X, make USB and ethernet to parallel for printers, scanners, or whatever legacy device you have. These exceptionally handy devices are not at all expensive if you shop around. You save the aggrevation of getting a laptop that isn't the model you want but have to get for its
        • All the laptops had ethernet ports, but strangely enough I was using them to connect to the networks I was on. As for USB->Parallel convertors, the cheapest two I could find were £9.99 and ~£15, both of these required Windows drivers in order to work (or at least they state that in the product description), and when you've only got two USB ports to start with, you don't want to be using one as a parallel port.
    • My printer at home still is connected to a computer via a parallel printer cable. It's my server and it's been running for a few months now. But, that's not what you're asking about, is it?

      Tune to last week: My son got his picture taken with Santa and the professional photographer had a nice digital camera hooked up to a small computer/printer combo box. Pretty cleaver, really. On the back of this box connected to the parallel port, which couldn't have been more than six-months old, was... a key dongle

      • Re:Just last week.... (Score:3, Informative)

        by owlstead ( 636356 )
        Fortunately, most newer software uses USB for dongles. Much better. Fewer compatibility issues, you can easily use multiple dongles at the same time. Just buy a cheap USB hub if you run out of ports. Note that you can rather easily buy USB to parallel/serial thingies. So most of the time there should not be any problems even if the parallel port is left out. All that said, I've got no personal experience with these kind of things (thank god), so if anyone has I'll be glad to know.
        • alldata still uses parallel port dongles for security for their automotive repair database which comes on DVDs. They're really bad about getting 'em to you, too. They use HASP keys.
      • Don't remind me.. I was at a company that used these for years - eventually they abandoned them after they realized that over 80% of support questions were due to dongles. eg. Large customer pays $50,000 for a contract for the software (yes it cost that much) - boss wants to run it on his laptop, laptop has no parallel port. Support call at 9pm, irate customer and contract is jepoardised.

        The smaller things caused headaches.. the dongles had a high failure rate and blanks were expensive and had to be bough
    • Not doing any embedded development, I presume?

      The Multi-ICE [arm.com] JTAG debugger from ARM is parallel port only. I recently had a colleague who had to buy a port replicator for his laptop just to get a parallel port to use with the Multi-ICE.
    • I've never used a parallel port in the nearly 20 years I've been in this industry. Never. Not once. I realize there are printers out there still using them (and dongles and such too probably), but geez, get a USB adapter or something!

      My company recently got me a new IBM T43p laptop, which is excellent on the whole... except for the freakin' parallel port on the back that takes up a HUGE amount of space! To add insult to injury, there's no space for a DVI port (which you have to buy their docking station to
      • The fact that you're 20 years old doesn't mean 20 years in the industry.

        You can't expect anybody to take you seriously. Parallel was the high-speed interface of the past, before USB came along.

        If you'd been in the industry 20 years, you aught to know what a great deal HP printers are. I bought an HP laserjet 4P at the thrift store for $10 a few months back, they have the drum inside the toner cartridge, so a new toner cartridge is essentially a brand new printer, and I can buy them for $25, among the c

        • Actually, I *have* been in the industry that long, but you did nail me on exaggerating the situation.

          The reason for my personal lack of encounters with parallel ports: I worked primarily on Macintosh systems prior to the mid-90s... thus all my connections were Appletalk based. (AFAIK no Mac has *ever* come with a parallel port standard, except maybe for the Lisa-based Mac XL)

      • HP actually has a smaller parallel port, but they don't even use it on THEIR PCs, because you'd need a special cable and that would suck. They only put it on printers, and only some of those, even.
    • Has anyone even seen any parallel port peripherals in the last 10 years?

      10 years ago was the end of 1995. USB did not exist, Firewire did not exist. You would be pretty hard pressed to find a computer or a printer that DID NOT have a parallel port in 1996. The only exception would of been Apple, who were using some propriety connection back then for printers. Until USB became popular (around 1998-1999), there lots of parallel accessories - the Zip drive, some rare external harddrives. Until ethernet, U
    • Uh... printers?

      Even if modern printers don't do LPT any more, my postscript printer of 10+ years is still chugging and I'm glad to be able to keep using it for quick preview/markup jobs. For this reason, I'm glad they haven't gone away. (Don't refer me to parallel-to-USB adapters, they're all crap, I've tried three from three different brands.)
      • Any specific issues? -- I've purchased a few cheapos and deployed them at various client sites (plus one here at my house) over the years, never had any issues. The one at my house is on a 30' USB cable too.

        The only issue I've run into is that if you move the unit to a new USB port, it causes problems. Luckily I keep it wired to a desktop, or to a specific USB port on my laptop's docking station.
    • My relatively new IBM T42P (company bought it for me) came with a parallel port and NO firewire ports...

  • These specs are indeed impressive... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Phariom ( 941580 ) on Saturday December 31, 2005 @07:59AM (#14369857)
    ...but with a battery life like that of a goldfish, why bother? Seriously save yourself hundreds of dollars and just build a comparable desktop system.

    This isn't exactly the kind of system I would want to lug with me into a coffee shop either--it might break the damn table!

    The only practical application of such a portable system (give the cost) that I can think of would be somewhere in the applied sciences "out in the field." However, these specs barely conform to those that many such scientists would require.

    I'll admit this, though: I would love to take this bad boy to a LAN party! Perhaps that's the target market they've been looking for.
    • ..but with a battery life like that of a goldfish

      What's the battery life of a goldfish?
      Inquiring minds want to know.

    • I don't see much point in complaining about the size or battery life unless there's some other system that's comparable in performance but with a smaller size. The comparison to a desktop is just silly; this thing is "only" 5cm thick including a screen which, though bad for a laptop, puts in in a whole different class of portability than a desktop. And the width and height are about the same as a 17" Powerbook which, though too big for me, some people seem to like.
    • These are "desktop replacements" and sold as "gaming laptops". They aren't meant for your traditional laptop use, but for those people who need lots of computing power, and have less space, this is nice. Think of this as a powerful version of a Mac mini, including monitor and keyboard.

      Some of us have access to electric power while travelling[1], but porting along a desktop is much harder.

      [1] AC power supply in a train. This might not make sense to most Americans who drive or fly.
      • [1] AC power supply in a train. This might not make sense to most Americans who drive or fly.

        Probably not to most Americans since trains aren't used very much for travel at all, at least not away from the east coast. I don't know how it is in Europe, but train travel in the western US is horribly slow. It may be more relaxing than driving but it will take 2 to 3 times as long, and of course 10x as long as flying. It's also expensive out here, train tickets often cost as much as plane tickets, unless you w

        • It's also expensive out here, train tickets often cost as much as plane tickets, unless you want the scenery who wants to spend as much and take 10x as long to get where you're going?

          People who don't want to deal with all the hassle and crap you have to put up with just to get onto a commercial airliner nowadays? Though really, I would just drive.
    • Goldfish are indeed tough.
      I had a goldfish pond, and the cats used to fish them out, but usually walk away. Hours later, I would put the fish back in the pond, and after a while, it would recover. Big rain storms would wash some of them out, same result and cure.
      Winter brought ice to the pond, I just took a rock and broke the ice every morning, so they could get oxygen from the surface of the water. The cold water did not harm them at all.
      Kind of like a good car battery that starts the car at 5 degr
    • If I were in college now, rather than 10 years ago, THIS would likely become my "real" system... the one that mostly lived in my dorm room, chained to the desk, tethered to a nice Lexmark buckling-spring keyboard w/trackpoint and second TFT display, and removed only for trips home and to lan parties... augmented by a thin & light ultraportable that I actually carried around to my classes and used at the library and viewed as my "toy" computer, even if it were actually the one I ended up using for 90% of

  • Who buys these? (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Kijori ( 897770 )

    I don't understand the market for these sort of laptops. At almost 6kg, this is approaching the portability level of my desktop PC, especially since with its battery life of one hour you're still effectively tethered to power supplies anyway. And for this 'privilege' you pay far, far more than you would for an equivalent desktop system. So, where's the market? I can see basically two possibilities: video editors who need a rendering setup that's just about portable, and gamers who want the highest-specced l

    • Re:Who buys these? (Score:4, Insightful)

      by TallMatthew ( 919136 ) on Saturday December 31, 2005 @08:33AM (#14369920)
      I don't understand the market for these sort of laptops. At almost 6kg, this is approaching the portability level of my desktop PC, especially since with its battery life of one hour you're still effectively tethered to power supplies anyway. And for this 'privilege' you pay far, far more than you would for an equivalent desktop system. So, where's the market?

      One assumes it's easier to lug this laptop around than a desktop and a monitor and its specs make it desktop comparable, thus the moniker DTR. Using the same machine at home as you do at work makes life easier, as does taking said machine on the road. If they seldom are used without their umbellical power cords, battery life is a nonissue. This isn't a "work on a plane" laptop, clearly.

      As for why it has to be this beefy, well simply because it can. The majority of machines today are overkill for what people use them for. Video editing requires certain specs, but for most people the limits of a machine never come into question. If you've decided your laptop won't be used that often away from a desk, and you make a purchasing decision based on the most bang for your buck, and if this is being paid for by your employer, then why not get the most powerful one? That's what they're banking on.

    • I don't understand the market for these sort of laptops.
      Such laptops are good for contractors dealing with CPU/graphics intensive applications and in need of mobility. I'm doing dome 3d graphics contract job, and product mostly for mid-high end machines,so for me is very important to be able to bring my machine into the office, for installations, configurations, and then problem arise with different hardware - I able to run my laptop side-by side with problematic desktop. Some other users of such systems
      • If you look at the most expensive Prostar, Hypersonic-PC, Sager they are a clear cut above in feature and performance compared to what's offered at your local Compusas, Bestbuys. The problem is that the pricing is so out there.

        • Ah, but if you get the laptops from where the high-end marker-uppers get them, you can save some money. M-Tech [mtechlaptops.com] is the direct vendor for Clevo, the company that actually manufactures all of these laptops. The one in this article looks like the D900K [m-techlaptops.com]. The reviewed laptop costs $4247. The same config from M-tech is $3825. Granted, that's without any kind of software bundle, case, or extras.
    • Let me think. Acer I do believe sells a comparable laptop using the same chasis. They don't appear to be hurting buisness wise.

      Alienware sells a comparable laptop using the same chasis + a custom lid. They definitely arn't hurting buisness wise.

      I in fact bought one such laptop, mostly because I had the spare money and could, but also because I travel between two cities alot (my hometown and where I go to college).

      I don't like unplugging all my desktop stuff (and I prefer leaving my desktops always on) and h
    • It's a good thing that you're not in marketing. They sell well. I have the Sager / Pentium 4 version of the same chassis and love it. I need to do high end photoshop and video editing in several places. And it's much more convenient to flip the screen closed and pop the thing in a backpack then to 1) unplug a shuttle / minitower 2) figure out where to put shuttle / minitower 3) deal with screen 4) deal with cables, rinse/repeat.

      The weight discrepency is likely the power supply. It gives new meaning to
    • I don't understand the market for these sort of laptops.

      It would of been great in college. All the power of a good desktop, but still have the ability to grab it and take it home on the weekends, or to a LAN party. I had no desire to take a laptop to class on a daily basis (pen and paper is simplier and easier 99% of the time), so I wouldn't of been hauling it around that much.

      Though in reality, I would of never been able to afford it in college. I got by with my decent but inexpensive AMD desktop comput

  • Dual core... (Score:5, Funny)

    by nurhussein ( 864532 ) on Saturday December 31, 2005 @08:28AM (#14369904) Homepage
    So you can cook both of your balls at once [msn.com].
    • Thank you for the funniest thing I've read in YEARS!!

      Not the MSNBC story but your concise description of same.

      I went the other way this year and bought a 3.3lb Sony Vaio. I used to have a 9lb Toshiba Satellite which was big and fast and, well, big.

      Now I can play two DVDs and MP3s all night on a single charge and carry it to meetings and use it a hell of a lot more than I did the Tosh.

      My next purchase is a strong and lightweight replacement for my very heavy Targus leather PC bag (9lbs).

      New Year's Resolution
  • I'd never thought I'd actually look at this but since I've got an iBook and worked on several Sony Vaio and IBM ThinkPad Laptops I'd say this is a real downer. It looks like an early nineties 'luggable'. I'm looking forward to the time we've got 3 GHz like performance at Apple/IBM quality levels and 8 hours battery-time for 1000$.
    Until then I'm sticking to my 12" iBook and a little envy of my friends Fujitsu Siemens Lifebook P with 15 hours (!) of battery time. And the size of an OReilly Camelbook.

  • I guess you might need this if you spend your day in different rooms inside your luxurious mansion and you want your computer with you all the time to stay connected to WoW and check your various stock prices all the time.

    But carrying this thing outside?

    You would need to hire another butler just for that!

  • I have trouble imagining this so-called laptop being anything other than a gimmick to assuage a sensitive ego that just wants to claim "biggest, baddest", without any particular attention paid to issues of practicality or usability.

    It's too big/heavy to be particularly portable, it gets uncomfortably warm in normal use, it burns lots of power, so battery life is worthless.

    Trying to jam a high-end Desktop into a laptop has resulted in a system not well suited to replace a desktop or a laptop particularly wel
    • I have trouble imagining this so-called laptop being anything other than a gimmick to assuage a sensitive ego that just wants to claim "biggest, baddest", without any particular attention paid to issues of practicality or usability.

      Keeping in mind that I agree with you so far as the laptop is concerned...

      A couple years back I picked up a highly impracticle car. It was a Toyota MR-2... a 2 seated mid engined double-trunked (both worthless) pocket rocket.

      Man how I loved that car, it was so fast....turbochar

    • I have one of those moster HP laptops. I get maybe an hour on battery. Big screen, full size keyboard with separate keypad, giant screen, regular desktop processor. Over 10 lbs and huge.

      The think is so big as to almost not open correctly in coach on planes. Good thing the bat only lasts 45 minutes. If you can find a plug in the airport it is awesome to work with.

      Get a bigger bag and hit the gym you little /. nerds, bigger is better. This new thing is awesome.

  • over 4000 dollars (Score:1, Insightful)

    by lostngone ( 855272 )
    Wow an people say PowerBooks cost a lot.
  • Initial Slashvertisement here [slashdot.org]

    Forgive me for wondering, but if you feel the need to post how thinkgeek, newsforge, etc are all owned by your parent company in every story that comes from those (and the rest) of the sites. Then why don't you mention that this company may not be paying you, but did give you something to inspire you to talk about them so well on a website?

    I guess I'm just lost here ... you want full disclosure, most of the time?

    This thing is not a monster laptop, it's a portable all in o

  • If it weighs 5.7kgs, I won't be too excited about carrying it on my lap. A good DTR should be a trade-off between size and performance. And what about the power consumption? Dual-core + GeForce 6800 would generate a lot of heat. Anyway, the overall package is good but I'll buy one when the weight comes down.
  • ...it's a space station!
  • at best it's a Notebook. For some of the differences, see an earlier post of mine: http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1420 5 8&cid=11906247 [slashdot.org]

    However, I even find 'notebook' arguable. If the difference between a notebook and a desktop machine is a built-in display, keyboard and pointing device - then sure, it's a notebook.
    If the difference is that a notebook is meant to be able to be relocated with sufficent ease that it can be frequently done- i.e. between home, work, off-site locations - then
  • Why the fuck waste space for a parallel port on a "portable" computer? The three people who would use it could just buy a parallel to USB converter. And the same could be said of the serial port, seriously ...

  • My HP zx5000 has two smaller fans in it and they need dusting after about 10 months' hard use. And 200W?! This thing could wind up needing the air-duster kiss of life every three weeks.
  • This unit has a purpose albeit a narrow one such as someone who has to lug around their own video multimedia editing-mastering studio with them. I mean people wondered what the massive Apple notebook with a screen larger than most people can easily fold out was good for, but it's good for something.

  • so light! (Score:2, Funny)

    by cout ( 4249 )
    I dunno what y'all are talkin' about sayin' 5kg-8kg ain't portable. That's like half the weight of my ol' Kaypro II. Mus' be some weakling Yankee thing.

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    • I'm a little worried to use this as a replacement for my Amstrad PPC [computercloset.org]. Yes, I want something portable, but not so small and light I could lose it down the back of the couch!

  • Rockdirect (Score:2, Interesting)

    by vorok ( 718954 )
    Anyone else think the company's name is just a little too fitting?
  • At that price, and supposedly with "all the best components" and all it has built into that hugemongous case is a touchpad. There's more than enough space to have a combination of touchpad and trackpoint. Heck, you could even have a trackball on it too. If even Dell can put a combination of both on some of their bigger models then this beast can certainly offer a choice.
  • These Clevo systems are rebadged by a bunch of different companies: Sager, Alienware, Hypersonic, Prostar ... These are great systems if you need the power and mobility.

    I have a Sager 9860 (same casing as this). I take it to client sites every day. It's heavy, but not too much for just walking from the parking lot. And it has a lot of power. I typically run an application server and a database while I'm working, in addition to my IDE, various office apps and music player. If you need the performance,
  • Shipping with Microsoft Windows XP Home as standard, Rockdirect adds in Microsoft Works 8, Roxio's Easy Media Creator 7, Bullguard Anti-Virus
    I would have thought Pro edition, or maybe this "Linux" thing I've heard about. Obviously this is aimed at the PC gamers, but why use XP Home? Also, I'm not familiar with the Bullguard product. Anyone have any experience with it?
  • I have an Acer Aspire 1712 laptop that weighs in at 15 pounds without the power brick (and it is about the size and weight of a real brick), and I can tell you that, while you won't want to carry it with you everywhere you go, it's manageable. You get your exercise, at least. You want to make sure you have a strong bag to carry it in, of course (no place to shave pennies). I opted to buy a second power supply, so I can keep one in my home office, and carry the other in the back of the car when I have to tra
  • Tadpole Bullfrog Dual Processor http://www.tadpolecomputer.com/html/products/mobil e/bullfrog-dual/ [tadpolecomputer.com]:

    - Dual 1.2 GHz UltraSPARC® IIIi processors
    - Up to 16GB DRAM
    - Large 17.1" SXGA TFT LCD Display
    - Full Length, 66 MHz, 64 -bit PCI Expansion Slot
    - Dual 2.5" High Performance Disk Drives
    - Integrated DVD/CD-RW Drive

    I'd change the operating system for a GPL one though.
  • Complaining about 8kg? Bah Humbug. After taking the first compaq portable with me on a trip, my right arm was longer than the left arm -- from carrying it -- it it felt heaver than 28 lbs (12.5kg) it was rated. That was with a 9 inche screen and no battery.

    You young whippersnappers have it so easy.
  • I don't know about you, but my preferred "laptop" is around 50 kg and I certainly don't complain when she's on my lap.
  • First of all, most laptops are Clevos. The high end Clevos are the best of the best high performance laptops, but expect all the usual defects you live with in modern gadgets.

    Don't be suprised if the ethernet fails after 6 months and you have to use ethernet over 1394, the keyboard drops a lot of keypresses, and the touch pad is over sensitive due to the high heat.

    Other than that, it's held up better than the Dells and Sonys due to its size. Of course, there is no Linux support on this chipset for AGP, po
  • C'mon, you pizza-munching, jolt-guzzling lardass geeks, you know it's true. Trading 8 Kgs of useless fat for 8 Kgs of uberleet dual-core portable for your daily lugging-around weight can be nothing but good!

    Oh, and Happy New Year, everyone! :)

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