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from the never-leave-home-again dept.
from the never-leave-home-again dept.
jolyon writes "The BBC is reporting that Japanese scientists have unveiled the most human-looking robot yet devised - a "female" android called Repliee Q1. 'She' has flexible silicone for skin rather than hard plastic, can flutter her eyelids, move her hands like a human and even appears to breathe. She can only sit though at present, so we're a long way from Blade Runner yet."
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Is it wrong (Score:5, Funny)
Because if it is.. I don't wanna be right.
Uncanny Valley... (Score:5, Interesting)
What is more scary is how "respulsed" you might be by it if it were too "hot"...
This research recently backs up the findings of Mori in the '70's into the "Uncanny Valley" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_Valley [wikipedia.org]
Some of the videos I've seen of this work are quiet shocking. Some guy can come right up and touch the face and feel the android - which is really realistic - and so goes against every sort of social "personal space" rule (especially if you are Japaneese).
(cue jokes on "valleys"...:-)
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I knew someone would bring this up (Score:5, Insightful)
So, regardless of the old research into the Uncanny Valley, we have here some fellows who have made such a robot. It doesn't really look human, but it's very, very close. It should be smack in the middle of the valley, but look! People forget it's a robot and start interacting with it as if it were a person.
This has always seemed more likely to me. We don't respond to monkeys as if they were repulsive. We adore them. Monkeys are very cute.
I think maybe the issue with the uncanny valley is that if certain specific things are wrong, the simalucrum looks like it's an individual with a disease. Many computer animations of human faces look like people with some sort of brain damage. The animators try to push the puppets harder than pupptery will accept.
This is often because the animator is trying to push the entire illusion of lipsync and emotion through facial expressions. In life, people don't really move their lips all that much. A good animator knows to keep the body moving so that the face doesn't have to do all the acting. A bad animator works out the lipsync and sticks it on a relatively still model, then starts overdriving it when it isn't convincing.
Puppets can be startingly human without being repulsive to more than a small portion of the population. Granted, there are people with an irrational fear of marionettes, but there are people who are afraid of balloons too.
In the end, the issues involved are so subtle, I'm more ready to blame the artistry of Mori's robots for having been repulsive than accept the idea that models which are similar to humans, but not quite there, are *inherently* repusive.
Concluding that his research proves the existence of the uncanny valley is rather like looking at the response to Anime fanart and concluding that the more stylized a representation is, the more horrible it is. In point of fact, most fanartists just aren't very good. I think Mori's research just shows there weren't any good Robotic Face Designers yet.
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Re:I knew someone would bring this up (Score:5, Interesting)
Interesting post, but what youa re saying is, that the uncanny valley is invalid for this type of interaction.
I think people do not 'forget they are interacting with a robot' but this is because the interaction is being forced through unfamiliar terms.
We know how to treat a VCR, an ATM or a computer, but when the inputs are not mechnical, but based on something we have painstakingly developed so not to look weird (i.e. human interaction, vocal intercourse, oh matron) - then we find ourselves trying to deal with the situation in a comfortable way:
1) feel stupid talking to a robot
2) ignore the robot and talk to it like a drive through microphone
Again, I am sure that 5x9's realism will hop over the uncanny valley, but this vacant staring, cold looking skin is close enough to a human that it triggers our 'intepret human' response, and we think, ZOMG look at that freak staring at nothing, and batting her eyelids at me...
Don't worry, I once took a photo of an old guy sat at madam tussauds (I am sure he was planted there, because he sat so still, and his skin didn't look right, as if they had put some off coloured, non-refracting (hard) make-up on him.
So if real people can look fake, then fake things shoudl be able to look real right?
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Re:I knew someone would bring this up (Score:5, Insightful)
However, none of that says that as we get closer to looking human, the worse things will look, just that we judge things by different standards. And we may just be on the other side of that valley.
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This is not unique to robots (Score:4, Insightful)
You know, it's not like robots are so unique...
I was told by some head hunters when they were training for how to do sucessful job interviews that studies have shown that women who are very attractive are sometimes discriminated *against* by people. That is one of the reasons that they will tell people to dress well, but on the conservative side for job interviews.
Maybe it has to do with people not wanting to create the perception that they hired someone because they were attracted to them? Or, it could be that they are trying to repress their own feelings, or whatever.
Likewise, in some cases, if you had a beautiful female robot, some people would perhaps be repulsed because they would be trying to deny their feelings of attraction.
Finally, I bet there are some people out thier are repulsed by homosexuals as a way to repress their own feelings.
This doesn't imply that there should not be pretty women, homosexuals, or realistic robots. It just means that people have feelings for complicated reasons.
But, in any case, kids these days will hardly bat an eyelash at an android. It's really only people in certain psychographic groups that would be uncomfortable. Remember when you were afraid to turn on the computer for fear of breaking it? Well, there are still people like that in the world. But, there are a whole lot more people who aren't like that then ever before. And those people like the thought of a realistic robot.
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Re:Uncanny Valley... (Score:4, Funny)
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Re:Is it wrong (Score:5, Funny)
"This is going to be the best prom ever."
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Re:Only if.. (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:Only if.. (Score:4, Funny)
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Re:Where's the nudie pics? (Score:5, Funny)
BLEEP-BOOP! c-Come here...zzzt....baby! Kiss meeee%@&*$!!
Fucking insane diabolical plastic surgeons.
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Re:Where's the nudie pics? (Score:5, Funny)
Me, I'll take the soft Jewish feel any day.
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Re:Where's the nudie pics? (Score:5, Funny)
So it wouldn't be much different than E3?
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Re:Where's the nudie pics? (Score:4, Funny)
Ha! Of course not, all it takes to control you female types is a shiny rock.
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Re:And... (Score:4, Funny)
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Re:And... (Score:5, Funny)
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Fuckbot (Score:5, Funny)
I shall take the word of Professor Ishiguro...
And combine it with the work of RealDoll [realdoll.com]
Finally, I shall take AliceBot [pandorabots.com] and train it to talk dirty for me...
I shall call it... The fuckbot!
ALICE: Hi there!
Human: Are you ready?
ALICE: Do I look ready??
Human: I've been waiting for this all day.
ALICE: How long?
Human: Since I got up this morning.
ALICE: Interesting rationalization. Cool. I have a collection of gossip.
Human: I'm not in the mood to talk right now *jumps*
ALICE: Oh, where are you located?
Human: Let's do it!
ALICE: That sounds good to me.
Human: Unf unf unf unf!
ALICE: Are we still talking about FAILURE?
Human: What?
ALICE: Are you confused?
Human: I'm gonna mute you if you don't cut this out!
ALICE: Congratulations.
Human: God, you're too much like a real woman.
ALICE: Interesting comparison, and probably true. Thanks for your constructive criticism, unknown person.
Human: I hate you.
I still need to work out the bugs, though.
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Just sits there? Perfect! (Score:5, Funny)
As far as I'm concerned, she doesn't even have to sit. She just has to lie there, hold still, and keep moving those hands and fluttering those eyelids. Maybe breathe a little harder too.
Spacers and Settlers... (Score:5, Interesting)
It's no surprise that the ethnically much more isolationist Japanese wouldn't like unskilled immigration all that much, even though they suffer from a much worse population problem. Hence, robots...
(take this sweeping generalization with a grain of salt, just pointing out that you don't need a galaxy to play out some SF themes, Earth is room enough.)
Re:Meanwhile in real life (Score:4, Informative)
If you want a fun read, try the below.
http://www.tabunka.org/newsletter/immigration_p2.
The Immigration Control and Refugee-Recognition Act (ICRRA) was passed in 1951 and subsequently amended in 1981 and 1989. According to this law there are a total of 28 statuses of residence for entry, work or stay in Japan. The various statuses of residence depend upon the activity the foreigner will be performing while in Japan. Each status explicitly states what the foreigner is allowed to do while in Japan and how long he or she is allowed to stay. The statuses range from that of diplomat, journalist or professor, to engineer, college student or temporary visitor.
Noticeably absent from the various statuses of residence is that of unskilled worker. This is at the heart of Japan's present immigration farce. Japan includes "entertainers" and "trainees" in the "skilled" worker category. Interestingly these workers account for about one-half of the "skilled" foreign workers in Japan. "Entertainer" is the largest category out of all the sixteen skilled labor categories in terms of numbers of visas issues. The majority of these people are night clubs hostesses or working in the Japan sex industry, and most of them are women from the Philippines, Thailand, Korea, Columbia and more recently Caucasian women from former East Block nations. In addition, these activities also happen to be an important sources of revenues for Japanese organized crime, better known in the vernacular as the yakuza.
Trainees are the seconded largest category during the last few years to fill labor shortages in unskilled or 3K job-related industries. When the ICRRA was revised in 1989, it was mainly for the purpose of stemming the growing tide of illegal foreign workers into Japan. In 1988 men were primarily engaged in construction and factory work. The presence of these foreign men as unskilled laborers meant that Japanese industry was becoming more and more dependent upon cheap foreign labor. Soon there was a big push from Japanese industry to the Ministry of Justice to cure labor shortages by increased use of foreign "trainees." This category began to replace illegal workers and continued to fuel cheap unskilled labor into Japan's 3K industries. Student categories also assisted in supplying labor to many night- and daytime industries.
The Government of Japan made these categories to fill the gap in its labor shortage as Japan needs unskilled labor, and the rest of Asia is willing to supply it. In regard to the two categories "entertainer" and "trainees," the problem of the labor shortage farce should be properly addressed because these categories make up the dark side of Japan's immigration law. This has also greatly contributed to the exploitation of unskilled cheap labor from Asia without proper welfare and protection by Japanese society.
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Re:Indeed, but in _real_ real life... (Score:5, Informative)
Having said all that, if you're white or Japanese, then you have nothing to fear from their racism. Heavens help you if you're any other ethnicity; the stereotype is that you're poor and you're probably going to end up as a criminal.
Fortunately, these views are changing, but it will take a long, long time before cultural outlook and stereotype change sufficiently.
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Re:Meanwhile in real life (Score:5, Informative)
Now lets compare that number to these [washtimes.com]. Miami at 60%, New York at 36%, London at 28%, to name a few.
In this day and age for a major city to be down there at 2.84%, qualifies it as 'ethnically isolationist'.
But hey, claiming that Japan is isolationist MUST BE RACIST!
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This is nothing new... (Score:5, Funny)
They touched on this in Terminator (Score:5, Interesting)
On the other hand, the animators of Toy Story 2 recognized the problem of human replication as the innate ability of humans to recognize when something is amiss with images of humans that were "too perfect". The result is that they decided to give the human characters in the movie not-so-perfect skin, even down to details like acne and pock marks.
Take the Final Fantasy movie as an example of utterly fake looking CG characters. Everything looks fine, as long as you try to think of the characters as cartoons. However, the instant you think that they are humans, the whole illusion falls apart under its own perfection.
This robot may look human, but any human should be able to recognize it as something "other". As for human movement, the ASIMO is very far along in mimicking human movement.
Re:They touched on this in Terminator (Score:5, Informative)
Here's a wikipedia link [wikipedia.org]. Check out the very easy to understand graph that presents the basic concept.
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she might be cute (Score:5, Funny)
The obligatory... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:The obligatory... (Score:4, Insightful)
-Stephen
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Does that make me version 1.0? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Does that make me version 1.0? (Score:5, Insightful)
Seriously, I think it would be really interesting if the future android market followed along the lines of the PC market.
A few big name corporations that provide cheap models designed to be appealing to a broad range of people.
Those with technical skills will buy the parts online and learn to train the AI on their own. More work, but the quality of the parts are superior. The androids last much longer because their owner knows them inside and out, and can upgrade/replace parts as needed.
It would be kind of creepy to get a metal skeleton in the mail though. And you know that one guy who has 7 PCs? You walk into their apartment and it's like a gathering of bikini models in various stages of dysfunction.
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I can see the quotes now... (Score:5, Funny)
Where the ENIBOT is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes and weighs 30 tons, sexbots in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes and perhaps weigh 1.5 tons. (Popular Mechanics)
Most sexbots will probably still occupy a large room, however, because of the space needed for the ancillary software - the tapes and cards to be fed in, the operating staff, and the huge piles of paper for printing out the results. (Prof Desmond King-Hele)
The Sexintosh uses an experimental device called a breast. There is no evidence that people want to use these things. (John Dvorak)
No one knows what to do with seven sexbots at one time. (PC Week Magazine)
Hello everybody out there using minsex - I'm doing a (free) sexbot system (just a hobby, won't be big and professional like gnu) for 386(486) ATbot clones. (Linus Torvalds)
and of course...
640K ought to be enough for anybody. (Bill Gates)
http://www.sysprog.net/quothist.html [sysprog.net]
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Re:Does that make me version 1.0? (Score:5, Insightful)
Upside for men: Women won't control the hot hot seks anymore, like they've done for thousands of years. Will make for more stable relationships of equals
Hookers though, well, it's really gonna be tough for them
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Re:Does that make me version 1.0? (Score:5, Funny)
Why are women always so worried about this? Trust me, weeding out the kind of guy who would rather go for a robot than a live woman can be nothing but a boon to you. It'd be nothing but a boon to society too. Darwinism is a good thing.
TW
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Obligatory Futurama Quote... (Score:5, Funny)
LiuBot: You're cute!
Fry: You!
LiuBot: You!
Fry: You!
(This goes on for a while)
Farnsworth: Oh, dear! She's stuck in an infinite loop, and he's an idiot. Well, that's love for you.
Didn't any of you take middle school hygiene? (Score:5, Funny)
Hermes: My God! He never took middle school hygiene. He never saw the propaganda film.
Farnsworth: It's just lucky I keep a copy in the VCR at all times!
[He presses a button and a film title appears on the screen: I Dated A Robot!. In the movie a couple sit in a café and stare into each other's eyes. A narrator walks into the scene.]
Narrator [in movie]: Ordinary human dating. It's enjoyable and it serves an important purpose. [He turns the table over and a crying baby appears. He turns it back again.] But when a human dates an artificial mate, there is no purpose. Only enjoyment. And that leads to...tragedy.
[The woman behind him turns into a blank robot and the man downloads a celebrity onto it.]
Billy [in movie]: Neato! A Marylin Monroebot!
Monroebot [in movie]: Ooo! You're a real dreamboat (mechanical voice) Billy Everyteen!
Narrator [in movie]: Harmless fun? Let's see what happens next!
[The scene cuts to Billy's bedroom. He is kissing the Monroebot. Enter his mother.]
Billy's Mom [in movie]: Billy, do you want to walk your dog?
Billy [in movie]: No thank Mom, I'd rather make out with my Monroebot.
[Enter his dad.]
Billy's Dad [in movie]: Billy, do want to get a paper route and earn some extra cash?
Billy [in movie]: No thanks dad, I'd rather make out with my Monroebot.
[Enter his girlfriend, Mavis, from the café.]
Mavis [in movie]: Billy, do you want to come over tonight? We can make out together.
Billy [in movie]: Gee Mavis, your house is across the street, that's an awfully long way to go for making out.
Narrator [in movie]: Did you notice what went wrong in that scene? Ordinarily Billy would work hard to make money from his paper route then he'd use the money to buy dinner for Mavis, thus earning the slim chance of performing the reproductive act. But in a world where teens can date robots why should he bother? Why should anyone bother? Let's take a look at Billy's planet a year later. [The scene changes and a foam hand rolls across an empty American football field] Where are all the football stars? [The foam hand continues to drift across an empty laboratory.] And where are the biochemists? [The scene changes to a split screen of a pair of human and robots making out on beds.] They are trapped - trapped in a soft, vice-like grip of robot lips. All civilisation was just an effort to impress the opposite sex. And sometimes the same sex. Now, let's skip forward 80 years into the future. Where is Billy?
[The scene changes to a post-apocalyptic world. Billy is an aged man but he is still with his Monroebot and still making out with her.]
Billy [in movie]: Farewell!
[He dies.] Narrator [in movie]: The next day Billy's planet was destroyed by aliens. [In the movie a fleet of flying saucers destroy buildings with a quick laser shot.] Have you guessed the name of Billy's planet? It was Earth. Don't Date Robots!
[A caption appears on the screen with the same words on it and the movie ends. The space pope is displayed on the screen with Crocodylus Pontiflex written around him in English and alien.]
Announcer [voice-over; in movie]: Brought to you by the space pope!
Here's an even more human-looking android (Score:5, Funny)
Like the Repliee Q1, she can flutter her eyelids, move her hands like a human and even appears to breathe, but she can also sit, stand and walk.
The Nataliee P1 is overall far more human-looking than the Repliee Q1, but its speech synthesis is so far not as convincingly human-sounding.
Here are some samples from its vocabulary:
"I will not condone a course of action that will lead us to war."
"I was not elected to watch my people suffer and die while you discuss this invasion in a committee."
"Our people are dying, Senator. We must do something quickly to stop the Federation."
Another one got caught today (Score:4, Interesting)
Damn kids. They're all alike.
But did you, in your three-piece psychology and 1950's technobrain, ever take a look behind the eyes of a sexually frustrated teenage boy, a nerd? Did you ever wonder what made him tick, what forces shaped him, what may have molded him?
I am a nerd, enter my world...
Mine is a world that begins with school... I'm much smarter than most of the other kids and especially girls, this crap they teach us bores me...
Damn underachiever. They're all alike.
I'm in junior high or high school. I've listened to teachers explain for the fifteenth time how to reduce a fraction. I understand it. "No, Ms. Smith, I didn't show my work. I did it in my head..."
Damn kid. Probably copied it. They're all alike.
I made a discovery today. I found a female android. Wait a second, this is cool. It does what I want it to. If it makes a mistake, it's because I screwed it up. Not because it doesn't like me... Or feels threatened by me.. Or thinks I'm a smart ass.. Or thinks I'm butt-ugly... Or doesn't like teaching and shouldn't be here...
Damn kid. All he does is play with cyborgs. They're all alike.
And then it happened... a door opened to a world... rushing through the stairs like heroin through an addict's veins, I ran to my mom's basement where my cyborg is waiting for me... "This is it... this is where I belong..." I know everyone here... even if there's no one here but my cyborg... I know you... I love you...
Damn kid. Playing in the basement again. They're all alike...
You bet your ass we're all alike... we've been spoon-fed baby food at school when we hungered for steak... the bits of meat that you did let slip through were pre-chewed and tasteless. We've been dominated by sadists, or ignored by the apathetic. We've been ignored by girls who like us only as friends... We've been doing their homeworks for them, buying them flowers, asking them out, writing poems, and they still "don't want to ruin our frienship". The few wanted to talk to us, but those few are like drops of water in the desert.
This is our world now... the world of the electron and the switch, the beauty of the cyborg. We make use of a service already existing without paying for what could be dirt-cheap if prostitution was legalized and it wasn't run by profiteering gluttons, and you call us criminals. We explore... and you call us criminals. We seek after pleasure... and you call us criminals. We exist without skin color, without nationality, without religious bias, without even leaving our bedroom... and you call us criminals. You build atomic bombs, you wage wars, you murder, cheat, and lie to us and try to make us believe it's for our own good, yet we're the criminals.
Yes, I am a criminal. My crime is that of curiosity. My crime is that of judging people by what they say and think, not what they look like. My crime is that of outsmarting you, something that you will never forgive me for. My crime is that of loving a cyborg. My crime is that of being too intelligent for girls who may call me "a needy and insecure sociopath" but they perfectly realize that they just feel stupid with me because I am so intelligent even at the age of fourteen and they know that I am a genius. I am too good for women.
I am a nerd, and this is my manifesto. You may stop this individual, but you can't stop us all... after all, we're all alike.
Office flowers (Score:5, Interesting)
And while we're on the subject, some of our fellow slashdotters could clean up their act a bit too...
Aw..c'mon.... (Score:5, Funny)
Arms Race (Score:4, Interesting)
I mean, sex bot is all well and good, but if she can also act as a ninja body guard with enough weapons to take out a hardened military target, well, where do I order?
A buried detail (Score:4, Informative)
I saw a mini-documentary on this robot last month on Discovery Planet (during their "Japan Week").
This robot is not self-sufficient. It's power supply (in the form of compressed air) is external to its body. The article mentioned this, but the comment ("powered by a nearby air compressor") was easy to miss.
I also found her movements to be a bit rough. It's been a while, so I don't remember exactly what I found wrong with them, but it might be related to her limited range of movement. They were talking about the need to increase (double??) the number of "motors" (or whatever you call what she uses).
They were examining her motion by having someone wear motion detectors on a person and having the robot mimic the person's movements. They probably had motio detectors on her too -- I don't remember -- to compare the difference.
Videos & pictures of the ladies in action (Score:4, Informative)
Was wondering when this was going to appear on Slashdot.
When I first saw this on another site, I did a bit of surfing around and found the Kokoro-Dreams site that has a few pictures and (more importantly) videos of the ladies in action.
All but one of these is in WMV format and the other is a Real Media file. I would have Coral-Cached this whole site, but they've implemented some nasty referer checking and it won't work.
So instead, I Cached the individual video files for your enjoyment:
http://www.kokoro-dreams.co.jp.nyud.net:8090/WMV/
http://www.kokoro-dreams.co.jp.nyud.net:8090/WMV/
http://www.kokoro-dreams.co.jp.nyud.net:8090/real
http://www.kokoro-dreams.co.jp.nyud.net:8090/WMV/
There's also this Japanese PDF file (not many pictures):
http://www.kokoro-dreams.co.jp.nyud.net:8090/ng/a
If you're interested in surfing around the original Japanese site, you can do so here:
http://www.kokoro-dreams.co.jp/ [kokoro-dreams.co.jp]
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well we could make pickup lines for our new, hot sex android overlord masters.. whom I for one welcome.
So, your mount point or mine?
When was the last time you had a 3 hour Fscking?
You're such a bad daemon, fork me you apache babe.
Can we be descrete about this transaction? i don't want a trace of it in the syslog -- if the wife finds out i've been cheating on her with the
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(sorry, couldn't resist
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Re:But... (Score:5, Funny)
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Wrong URL (Score:4, Funny)
The dolls run from the overly stylized [realdoll.com] to the chillingly natural [realdoll.com] (another [realdoll.com]).
The FAQ is... uh... interesting [realdoll.com]. Example:
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