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Service Robots in Service by 2010 229

Posted by CmdrTaco from the still-no-flying-car dept.
Igor Birman writes "Reuters reports that Toyota aims to sell service robots by 2010. Meanwhile, the most advanced consumer robot produced in the US appears to be the iRobot Roomba, now available in pink. More information is available at Robotics Trends and NewsTarget.com"
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  • We are here to protect you. (Score:5, Funny)

    by TripMaster Monkey ( 862126 ) * on Tuesday May 31, 2005 @12:51PM (#12685143)

    From TFA:

    Toyota Motor Corp. (7203.T: Quote, Profile, Research) aims to start selling robots that can help look after elderly people or serve tea to guests by 2010, the Asahi daily reported on Tuesday.

    Reading this, I can't help but think of this excerpt from The Terribe Secret of Space [albinoblacksheep.com]:

    Grandma is protected
    Grandma has gone down the stairs
    We are here to protect you
    From the terrible secret of space

    We are the space robots
    Grandma is protected
    Grandma is protected
    At the bottom of the stairs

    I am the pusher robot
    Shoving is the answer
    I will shove grandma
    Outside into the snow

    I am the shover robot
    Pushing is the answer
    I will push snow
    On top of grandma

    ^_^

    • Old Glory (Score:2, Funny)

      by protolith ( 619345 )
      "Sam Waterson: I'm Sam Waterston, of the popular TV series "Law & Order". As a senior citizen, you're probably aware of the threat robots pose. Robots are everywhere, and they eat old people's medicine for fuel. Well, now there's a company that offers coverage against the unfortunate event of robot attack, with Old Glory Insurance. Old Glory will cover you with no health check-up or age consideration. [ SUPER: Limitied Benefits First Two Years ] You need to feel safe. And that's harder and harder to do

  • Pink Roombas? (Score:5, Funny)

    by justforaday ( 560408 ) on Tuesday May 31, 2005 @12:51PM (#12685153)
    Yoshimi should be able to take care of those Roombas with no problem...

  • Half a decade hence... (Score:5, Funny)

    by TopSpin ( 753 ) * on Tuesday May 31, 2005 @12:52PM (#12685159) Journal
    Date line May 31, 2005:
    Toyota Motor Corp. aims to start selling robots that can help look after elderly people or serve tea to guests by 2010.

    Date line April 1, 2011:
    A Japanese pensioner was found dead today beneath a mountain of tea cups and saucers. A relative claims a Toyota robot given to the man a year before continued to carry out it's tea serving prerogative for months after the victim had expired.
    • That reminds me of a Red Dwarf episode. The one where they find kryton, he is preparing meals, washing and generally caring for the all female crew of a ship that crashed on some planet. The crew are all dead but he carries on looking after them.

  • Demand (Score:5, Insightful)

    by suso ( 153703 ) * on Tuesday May 31, 2005 @12:53PM (#12685166) Journal
    Japan's top automaker sees a declining birthrate and aging population leading to growing demand for robots that can help in tasks such as child care and nursing care

    What? I don't know where these companies determine the demands that people have. People have been trying to make machines that could automatically mow a lawn for over 50 years now. I would think there would be a really high demand for robots that could do lawn care, take out the trash and clean the house. At least those tasks I could trust a robot to do properly and shouldn't be all that difficult if they are also "really" capable of caring for a child. Personally, it would be a long time before I would trust robotic technology and AI to care for a human being's health and safety.

    • Re:Demand (Score:2, Interesting)

      by Mike Peel ( 885855 )
      And a few decades down the line, no-one bothers moving from their armchair. Why bother, when you can ask your robot to go get whatever you want?

      Obesity and muscle wastage, here we come *...

      * Excluding America; some of them are already there.
      • "Why bother, when you can ask your robot to go get whatever you want?

        Obesity and muscle wastage, here we come *..."

        To avoid being obese and wasting your muscles?

        That's like saying why meet in person when you can talk online or on the phone - because there are still recognized benefits to meeting in person.

      • Re:Demand (Score:3, Funny)

        by nizo ( 81281 ) *
        Thats why they also plan on releasing "The Exerbot", a robot that chases you around the house with an axe so you get enough exercise. With promises of "... a body like a Viking..." you can bet people will buy millions of them.
      • It is difficult to express forcefully enough how tiresome your little pious pronouncements are. Something like "Blow it out your a**", comes to mind. I've got karma to burn so this seems like a sufficiently good cause.
    • Personally, it would be a long time before I would trust robotic technology and AI to care for a human being's health and safety.

      It's hardly a primary carer, and isn't suggested as one. It's only meant to assist the eldery (amongst the other suggested uses).

      While it's good that their being ambitious stating a 2010 arrival, I'm sceptical that they will deliver on time if at all.

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    • Re:Demand (Score:2, Insightful)

      by KUHurdler ( 584689 )
      Those auto mowing machines are already quite possible. The problem is that no one wants to be liable for version 1.0, that malfunctions and mows over the neighbor kids.

      That, and the fact that it is cheaper to just hire those neighbor kids to mow their lawn.

    • Re:Demand (Score:5, Informative)

      by delirium28 ( 641609 ) on Tuesday May 31, 2005 @01:08PM (#12685325) Journal
      Umm, ever heard of Robomow [friendlyrobotics.com]? Granted, you still need to push the big green "Go" button to get it started, but it's still better than doing it yourself.
      • Not quite that simple, you have to install powered wires around the perimeter of the lawn and... My friend had one and was really a big advocate at first, but had problems with it getting stuck, taking forever to finish sections, the hassle of checking on it and moving it from section to section, having to manually mow some parts... He finally sold it and now just does it the old fashioned way. The Robomow was fun to watch though.

        • Re:Demand (Score:2, Insightful)

          by Alex P Keaton in da ( 882660 )
          Just my two cents from out here in fly over country- Here in Ohio, you see the "robot" farm machinery all the time- There are threshers, harvesters etc that have GPS and all the toys and do a lot of the grunt work of a farm by wire. Of course, as it is in everything in the US, liability is a chief concern. You don't want a huge harvester running alone running over a kid or something, so often times, even though it is unnecessary to have one, there is an "operator" along for the ride.
          Also, as far as lawn mo
      • What happens when there's an unexpected object in the way like a tree root, lawn chair or small child?

        Sure, maybe it has some limited sensors to detect some objects, but robots always have a problem dealing with the unexpected.

        With the Roomba for example, you often need to re-arrange furniture to be more 'robot-friendly' because the robot can't deal with obstacles like an unexpected chair leg or a persian rug.
    • Well, this is sort of a matter of perspective. Ever fly anywhere on an Airbus? Robo-take-offs-and-landings! Ever bang into something with your late-model car? Robo-ish-airbags! Life saving (or ending!) pharmaceuticals? Robo-made-drugs!

      Yes, yes, these aren't walk-around-the-house robotic type things, but they're complicated, sensor-driven, hardware/software things that operate in life-and-death cirumstances to make things easier or better for people. It's not that we don't have semi-autonomous widgets in
    • key word 'help'

      These are not fully autonymous robots.

      these are worker drones, meant to allow for the care of elderly/children with _less_ human interaction. Imagine if one human operator in central control can operate 250 'healthcare bots' in a nursing home that holds 5,000 patients.

      you could cut the amount of healthcare workers needed for a full size nursing home from hundreds to dozens. this has already happened in auto manufacturing, and it's clear that this is toyota's goal. a robotic nursing home s

    • Re:Demand (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Sponge Bath ( 413667 )
      I would think there would be a really high demand for robots that could do lawn care

      I suspect the robot will still be more expensive than cheap (often immigrant) labor. As long as employers get away paying humans sub-living wages, these robots will be impractical.

      BTW I'm for immigration, but against slave wages.

      • if you could get a robot as part of your community, you could all buy in. Now you have a robot that just mows everyones lawn.

      • Re:Demand (Score:3, Interesting)

        by Valar ( 167606 )
        You obviously can't make a blanket statement about that, because robots already _have_ replaced some human workers in manufacturing, for example. Now, are you likely to see humanoid robots with human like intelligence walking into your office building carrying their briefcases in the next couple of decades? No, probably not. Gradually, more and more labor will be performed by robots though. It is merely industrialization continuing-- capital displaces labor.
        • You obviously can't make a blanket statement about that...

          Well, yes. In some instances the skill level requires higher human pay, making the robot more competitive. In others, the robot is more precise or quicker at repetitive tasks. Far enough in the future, the automation cost will come down.

          For now, I don't expect to see the Borg trimming my hedges.
          If I do, I will shake my cane at them and yell "Get off my lawn, punks!"

    • Re:Demand (Score:4, Insightful)

      by hraefn ( 627340 ) on Tuesday May 31, 2005 @01:26PM (#12685490) Homepage
      Why not? Many humans are incapable of providing care for another human's health and safety, but are nonetheless allowed to do so.
    • put illegal immigrants out of work?
    • Certainly the question of their capability is important, but I think that will be solved over time. Certainly the intelligence put into the Roomba is pretty primitive, but over time, as we understand more about artificial intelligence, more complex robots would be possible.

      But here's an important question that's often avoided: should we do this even if it's possible? I mean, what do health care and day care workers do if a robot becomes capable of replacing them. We've already seen the impact of cheap l

  • Roomba is hardly the only one (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Rei ( 128717 ) on Tuesday May 31, 2005 @12:53PM (#12685173) Homepage
    There's everything from robotic lawnmowers [friendlyrobotics.com] to the upcoming Scooba [com.com] mopbot.
    • I looked at the specs, and this isn't a mower for the US; it has the ability to cut only about .25 acre. If you have > .25 acre lot, get a reel [reelin.com] lawn mower, as you don't have much grass after your house + driveway. Most folks in the outer 'burbs have much more grass to cut; when you head into the mid-west, 1 - 2 acres isn't uncommon.

      The mowing isn't the problem, a good mower [toro.com] will make short work out of a 1 - 5 acre lot. Weeding the flower beds, applying mulch and doing the trimming take the most time,

  • Toyota? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Adrilla ( 830520 ) * on Tuesday May 31, 2005 @12:54PM (#12685176) Homepage
    For years I've been watching Honda pimp Asimo and you're telling me Toyota is the company to first bring us robots. Surprising. So where's Nissan in all this hubbub, or do they need not even apply.

    • Re:Toyota? (Score:4, Funny)

      by Rosco P. Coltrane ( 209368 ) on Tuesday May 31, 2005 @12:59PM (#12685235)
      For years I've been watching Honda pimp Asimo and you're telling me Toyota is the company to first bring us robots. Surprising. So where's Nissan in all this hubbub, or do they need not even apply.

      I have a Ford robot here at home. It's crackling and leaking hydraulics all over the carpet...
      • I honestly do wonder if this could be the next stage of the automobile wars.
      • Hell, that's nothing. In the UK, over 40 years ago we had the Rover 2000 it was an absolute dog of a machine and had a tendency to take a leak all over the floor.
  • in AI voice processing so we start having those cool robotic butlers and dishwashers (Who actually pick up your plates and sweep the floor).

    I find it amazing that hardware is advancing WAY beyond software.

  • Uh huh (Score:4, Funny)

    by Colin Smith ( 2679 ) on Tuesday May 31, 2005 @12:55PM (#12685196)
    I love these types of executive decision.

    Yes, we're planning on regular scheduled trips to the moon next year, I'll just crack the whip on the R&D slaves to get them to work a bit harder.

  • We have feelings too you know (Score:5, Funny)

    by Timesprout ( 579035 ) on Tuesday May 31, 2005 @12:56PM (#12685199)
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  • How long until... (Score:3, Funny)

    by DrinkingIllini ( 842502 ) on Tuesday May 31, 2005 @12:56PM (#12685209)
    ...I can get an alcohol drinking loudmouth robot, preferably one who is proficient at bending?

  • Video feed: (Score:5, Informative)

    by ets960 ( 759094 ) on Tuesday May 31, 2005 @01:00PM (#12685250) Homepage
    Here's the video feed of the robots in motion http://www.toyota.co.jp/en/special/robot/ [toyota.co.jp]

    • Remember...

      "All sufficiently advanced technology is indestinguishable from a rigged demo"

      I have seen lots of these sorts of videos showing robots walking around on a stage and playing silly games, but I have yet to actually see any perform the kinds of tasks that people claim they will be capable of "in just a few years from now". In fact I have seen few that perform anything like that kind of task.

      To perform many of the tasks that people are suggesting for these things, we will need some seri

    • Anyone know where to find a sound clip of the two Toyota trumpet-playing robots whose video link can be found in the parent post?
  • Long ago Robert Heinlein envisoned household robots (see Flexible Frank in "The Door into Summer", [sfsite.com]) as the 'killer app' in robotics, as opposed to the 'killer bots' the military is developing.

    • Re:As always... (Score:3, Insightful)

      by 3770 ( 560838 )

      I wouldn't be surprised if the sex industry is one of the top three killer app's that drives this technology forward.

      It seems they are driving the adoption of many technologies these days.
      • So the consensus is that the robot of the future will (a) cook a mean omelette and leave the kitchen spotless afterwards, (b) be capable of really great kinky sex, and (c)be capable of infiltrating enemy territory and single-handedly taking out a column of tanks with heat-seeking missiles.

        Good in the kitchen, great in the sack, strong and self-sufficient, and with teraflops of processing power... wow, sounds like my ideal woman. Naturally, there would be a model for the women as well (as a computer, it woul

        • (as a computer, it would *never* forget a birthday/anniversary!)

          oh it will forget something. it will have to, otherwise the women won't want it.

          Not having anything to complain about and all....

          ducks, runs away.

        • Re:As always... (Score:3, Interesting)

          by Elsebet ( 797203 )

          This reminds me of the "escort" type of robots in the movie Artifical Intelligence: AI [imdb.com]. When people refer to automation causing job loss they seem to refer to it in the sense of low level labor or manufacturing. I feel intimate robots who would be self-cleaning (safer health-wise), unable to be impregnated, and agreeable to any act imaginable would wipe out the high and middle prostitution market for "real" people. The low end would likely still see human demand as these robots may be priced out of the

    • And don't forget the famed science fiction philosophers William Hanna and Joseph Barbera [toonopedia.com].
  • ...and the fact that they're technologically way ahead of just about everyone else in that department (see their Prius and the Lexus Rx400h) I wouldn't put it past them. They have the right combination of good management, solid financials, and technical know how that this shouldn't seem far fetched to anyone. (They also have a fair amount of experience working with Denso, as that's the company that they work with on the hybrids.)

    • Hard to say.

      I one saw a presentation by an Japanese engineer who was talking about the applications of fuzzy logic. He was practically waxing ecstatic over how a washing machine with fuzzy logic controller could swish the water just so, as a opposed to an ordinary washing machine, which stupidly just swishes at one of several predefined speed/amplitude settings. The implication is that up till today, washing machines have treated people's clothing with shameful insensitivity, and that a new era was dawni

      • If the barrier is building a robot that will fit in with what the cultural expectations of how a domestic robot should do it's duties, then the Japanese will almost surely get there first.


        Roomba is a domestic robot. It's already here and it's American. Where is the Japanese domestic robot?

        • Roomba is not a robot... (Score:3, Informative)

          by hey! ( 33014 )
          It is an application of robotics technology to a household problem. It's a smart appliance.

          OK, technically, it is a robot, but it falls far short of what people are thinking when the speak of a domestic robot. It partially fulfills the expectation that the robot will have autonomous mobility, but it lacks the flexible programming and multi-purpose appendages that would make it suitable to a wide variety of tasks. On a scale that starts with the fuzzy logic washing machine and goes up to the first generat

  • iRobot huh? (Score:4, Funny)

    by Rosco P. Coltrane ( 209368 ) on Tuesday May 31, 2005 @01:03PM (#12685275)
    I already wanted to buy hard-cover copies of I, Robot to throw at Will Smith when the movie went out, to avenge Azimov's memory, but really, that pink roomba thing is too much. Poor Isaac must be spinning in his grave...

    • Re:iRobot huh? (Score:2, Interesting)

      by hayh ( 706697 )
      Asimov himself actually admits to having stolen the title "I, Robot" from a previously published sci-fi story. So whoever *originally* used it is rolling over in his/her grave.
  • We're already here. Aren't you [uvphactory.com]?
  • Personally I aim to start selling nuclear fusion plants by 2010. Which of course will accomodate growing demand for clean, efficient supplies of power.

    I could have sworn I saw this exact same article five years ago, aiming for a target of 2000 as the first year for mass-market helper robots.
  • ...yet scientists keep building the damned things! Are you prepared for the inevitable? [jt.org]

  • ... a little strange ... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by ninjagin ( 631183 ) on Tuesday May 31, 2005 @01:09PM (#12685333)
    I think it's a very ambitious goal. The physical attributes of a humanoid robot have been developing quite rapidly... stuff like running, walking, arm & hand movement, etc. On the other hand, the AI and machine vision components would seem to be developing less slowly, and these are precisely the things that one would consider important for adoption in the target markets.

    I confess that I don't have much deep knowledge of advancements in AI and machine vision. Anytime we've had robot articles posted on slashdot lately they've been about advancements in the physical attributes of humanoid robots. Perhaps someone out there can fill me in on what I've been missing.

    Anyhow, on a lighter note, as I was reading the "trends" article, I could not help noticing this paragraph:

    The statement goes on to say that Toyota will make partner robots that "have human characteristics, such as being agile, warm and kind and also intelligent enough to skillfully operate a variety of devices in the area of personal assistance, care for the elderly, manufacturing and mobility." The statement continues, "since each area requires a special set of skills, Toyota is promoting the development of three different types of partner robots - walking, rolling and mountable - each with its own areas of expertise."

    WARNING: BAD JOKE AHEAD

    I like "agile, warm and kind", and the article stressed the advancements in the lips on certain robots such that they can play the trumpet, but if it's going to be "mountable", shouldn't there be some work on robots that are "moist" in addition to being "agile, warm and kind"? I mean, can you imagine the chafing?

    IT WAS A BAD JOKE, BUT YOU -=WERE=- WARNED, AFTER ALL

  • Imagine the tech support calls... (Score:5, Funny)

    by IronChefMorimoto ( 691038 ) on Tuesday May 31, 2005 @01:10PM (#12685337)
    "Toyota Eldery Care Technology support, how can I help you?"

    "I've fallen, and I can't get up."

    "Is your ElderCare 5000 series nearby?"

    "I forgot to recharge Willy last night."

    "Willy? Who is Willy?"

    "Well -- that's my robot's name. After my first husband, before he died in the Vietnam War. He was such a loveable man...kind to his children...and..."

    "Uh -- ma'am -- does 'Willy' have a base charge?"

    "What? I can't hear ya real good. Willy has my Miracle Ear stored in his chest compartment."

    "I SAID -- DOES 'WILLY' HAVE A BASE CHARGE?"

    "Base charge? What's that? I only know the green lights and the one with the blinking red light."

    "Can you reach Willy from where you're lying?"

    "Can I touch my willy so you can spy on me? You whippersnapper pervert! I'll have you fired! How digusting..."

    "Ma'am -- please hold."

    [technician initiates kill mode on ElderCare 5000 via GPS and remote activation protocols]

    "Ma'am -- are you still there?"

    "Yes -- Willy is moving around now. What did you do?"

    "It'll all be over soon."

    "What? A tall rover's moon? Hey! Willy?! What are you doin'? Willy?! Put that TV down! He's gone amock! What's going on?! Willy?! WILLY?!"

    [slam - click - dial-tone - ring]

    "Toyota Eldery Care Technology support, how can I help you?"

    IronChefMorimoto

  • boost to the robots industry (Score:4, Insightful)

    by unk1911 ( 250141 ) on Tuesday May 31, 2005 @01:10PM (#12685341) Homepage
    Nothing would give a greater boost to the robot industry than a RoboGirl...

    --
    http://unk1911.blogspot.com/ [blogspot.com]

  • looking after the elderly? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by binarstu ( 720435 ) on Tuesday May 31, 2005 @01:12PM (#12685355)
    We already have a culture that puts the elderly away into nursing homes or retirement communities rather than having families take care of them. This is in sharp contrast to the way elderly members of most cultures have traditionally been cared for. A few generations back in the U.S., most elderly lived with their families as they aged.

    Now we're in the process of developing technology so that we won't even need to use precious human labor in taking care of the aged among us. This sounds like a sad development to me.
    • It's more complicated to that. In those societies where the elderly are cared for at home, generally they also have many children to do the taking care of. In the US, we have decided that it is better to accumulate wealth by having few children.(fewer than 2 per woman on average) Combined with the increasing lifespan, this results in more elderly per person to take care of. The amount of care required, especially with advancing age, essencially mandates that an economy of scale be sought - nursing homes
    • Well, look at the mathematics. The Japanese population is aging rapidly, their birth rate is plummeting, and by 2050 there are going to be, what, two people of working age for every retiree. You can't afford to devote 50% of your work force to home helping. Wouldn't you rather most of these folks be given the independence to live at home with a bit of a robo-boost rather than be housed in a labor-conserving institutional setting which resembles nothing so much as a factory farm minus the chickenwire?

      Si

  • As long as they don't (Score:3, Funny)

    by joncue ( 541265 ) on Tuesday May 31, 2005 @01:19PM (#12685417) Homepage
    Make one that will open a jar, my wife will keep me around....
  • If Toyota is going to sell robots, I want one that fixes my car. Why should I pay for labor that eventually exceeds the car's purchase price? Why should I spend weekends waiting for for a mechanic to "rest"? Why should I even have to go to a garage, even my own, when my mechanic could ride in the trunk, and race under its own power to get a part when I'm disabled roadside? If they pull this off, I should be able to replace all those mysterious red dashboard lights and weird pings with a mechanical mechanic [randomperspective.com].
  • Hasn't seen RoboCleaner. It is by far more expensive, but I believe it is a superior product. Roomba can now recharge itself (the more advanced models anyway), however the RC 3000 can also empty it's load. http://www.karcher.com/RoboCleaner/robo/english/en glish.html [karcher.com]
  • Roomba is a nice little vacuum cleaner, and not too expensive. But it is not the technically most advanced household robot. Roomba operates roughly like a pool cleaner, moving around in some (probably carefully tuned) random patterns.

    You can actually get vacuum cleaner robots with a lot more, and more advanced, technology: sensors, cameras, indoor room mapping, WiFi, etc.

  • And so it begins... (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Tolkien ( 664315 )
    Thus appear the first signs of Isaac Asimov's "I, Robot" (made into a movie starring Will Smith).

    It's only a matter of time until the 3 laws robots must follow need to be implemented into their AI, and then they will evolve as predicted, and we're doomed.

    There's a reason so many science-fiction books have become non-fiction, anything a human can imagine, will eventually happen, through the laws of probability and advancements in technology.

    If human ego or greed doesn't deplete/destroy the planet, what ha

  • Military Uses (Score:2, Interesting)

    by compuguy84 ( 886540 )
    ...joints in the right hand.... Sounds like these things could handle a firearm. "There is no spoon."
  • I won't believe it till I see some biomechanically-genetically enhanced NBA baller on Cribs with a Bot that is supposed to serve Crytall but playa never figured out how to power it up so it sits in the corner with a hat on sideways.
  • The Japanese KNOW what I want in a robot! They've had TV shows about them for years! I don't want a goddamn kinder, gentler robot! I want a heavily armed robot that can easily destroy the SUV in front of me that has to slow down to 5 miles an hour to take a right turn! Why won't the Japanese build the robot I want?!

  • ... because I'm going to need a service robot in 2010 to fix my flying car!

  • Robot Nation (Score:4, Interesting)

    by TheKubrix ( 585297 ) on Tuesday May 31, 2005 @02:25PM (#12686078) Homepage
    For the tin foil hat crowd, heres an interesting essay about robots taking over,...and how it starts with general services:

    http://marshallbrain.com/robotic-nation.htm [marshallbrain.com]

  • Good thing we have the technology to get them in pink.

    I was worried about the advancement of these robots for a while.. but then I heard about pink.

    Thank fucking god.

  • So when we in America can afford to employ robots en masse and 300 million Chinese are suddenly left unemployed by "cheap overseas labor" do they have a right to cry foul about and uneven economic playing field?
  • What is it about Japanese society that can be so male dominated and still not produce any children. Maybe if there men stopped spending 80 hours a week trying to make a middle manager at Toyota happy or otherwise face suicide, they would actually be able to have families instead of trying to have robots take their place.

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