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Mac mini in a Volkswagen

Posted by timothy on Sat Mar 12, 2005 09:10 PM
from the ultraslick dept.
pyramis writes "Matt Turner has installed a Mac mini into his Volkswagen as an integrated audio/video system. He's distributed the I/O ports around the cab for convenient access and installed a remote power button right into the dashboard. Cool pics of all of this, plus a detailed article on that cool power button."
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  • Oh no... (Score:5, Funny)

    by Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) on Saturday March 12 2005, @09:11PM (#11923497)
    Slashdot meets Pimp My Ride...
  • What next? (Score:5, Funny)

    by Aphex Junkie (633436) on Saturday March 12 2005, @09:13PM (#11923513)
    Mini-mini: mac mini in a mini cooper?
  • by CatherineOmega (863951) on Saturday March 12 2005, @09:13PM (#11923518)
    "Looks like his webserver was RUNNING on the Mac Mini!" Hahahaha, oh MERCY. My aching sides!
    • by Anonymous Coward
      ...oh MERCY. My aching sides!

      Oh yeah sorry that was my pitchfork.

      Yours
      --The Devil

    • Puns (Score:5, Funny)

      by The Amazing Fish Boy (863897) on Saturday March 12 2005, @09:50PM (#11923746) Homepage Journal
      Yeah, that really drives me crazy. I mean, I don't mean to steer the conversation in any way or another, but those jokes just don't turn my crank. They signal to me, rather, that Slashdotters prefer automatic over manual posting. The way this place is coasting along in neutral mediocrity, well, it makes me sad. We should change gears around here, and make an agreement to speed up the humor and put the brakes on predictable comments.
      • Re:Puns (Score:3, Funny)

        by Anonymous Coward
        > Run Reply Bot v2.103
        > Searching NewsPost
        > Generating AutoComment
        > Printing

        I, for one, welcome our cool remote power button overlords.

        > Exiting Program
  • Hard drive problems? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by xtal (49134) on Saturday March 12 2005, @09:14PM (#11923528) Homepage
    Those people who have done this with standard hard drives.. how do they stand up to being kicked around over time? I've seen a few people with carPC projects, but I've always wondered how the hard drives deal with the additional abuse over time.

    You'd think a notebook HD would be alright. I assume that's what the mac mini is using?

    (article slashdotted)

    • by Twid (67847) on Saturday March 12 2005, @09:26PM (#11923619) Homepage
      Yes, the mini uses a 2.5" notebook drive. It's also almost fanless, so it should be good for applications like this. I have seen warning about blocking the bottom of the mini though, because that is where the vents are, so I'm not sure how well it would hold up in a glove compartment like in the article.

        • by Twid (67847)
          Well, there is a fan here [mac.com]. And it runs very quiet. So, almost fanless.

          I don't see the grammar foul here. If I had ten cents in my pocket, could I be "almost penniless"? If I spent too much time on slashdot analyzing grammar and my wife started packing her bags, could I be "almost spouseless"?

          The mini has a single fan and it is very quiet. Happy now? :)

        • Re:One question... (Score:5, Informative)

          by Twid (67847) on Saturday March 12 2005, @11:02PM (#11924032) Homepage
          Here you go [carnetix.com]. With photos [carnetix.com] even.

          THE CNX-P1900 DUAL OUTPUT 140 WATT INTELLIGENT DC-DC POWER REGULATOR

          Compatible with the Mac mini, as well as P4 system cases from Travla!

          The retail price of the P1900 is $99.95. Target availability is April 2005.
          • Re:One question... (Score:3, Informative)

            by CRC'99 (96526)
            Only problem is that these PSUs don't deal with 'sleep' too well - and will keep a constant drain on the battery - unless you want to completely close down your PC each time you stop the car.

            Hibernate works ok on Windows, however the mini mac's sleep mode does not power the system down. If you can maintain ~800mA max drain on your battery forever, then this might not be an issue - but if you can't, you'll get stuck really quickly.

            I currently run a Celeron 2.4Ghz with 512Mb dial channel DDR ram, Radeon 920
    • by utlemming (654269) on Saturday March 12 2005, @09:36PM (#11923682) Homepage
      What I am interested in finding out is how the computer fairs after a nice hot summer. An August component causulty report would be kind of interesting. Well I understand that the Mac mini does have too much in terms of fans, that car does have a black interior. I can only imagine what would happen if you tried to turn it on when the car tempetures reach 140F in the sun. But I guess if he is far enough north, he shouldn't have too many problems...maybe an Idaho or Minnesota summer.
  • by ral315 (741081) on Saturday March 12 2005, @09:14PM (#11923532)
    I predict the hardware might be buggy.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 12 2005, @09:16PM (#11923548)
    Mirrordot article [mirrordot.org]

    --ARTICLE TEXT:

    GTi - MacMini

    Well, it kept me from posting regularly, took about two weeks to plan and occupied nearly every night for about three weeks, but the big project I've been promising to post on is done...finally. I actually finished it last week, but wanted to make sure I had covered all the bases and that everything was working properly before putting the car back together and photographing it (thanks to Ryan [lighttight.com] for the quick shoot).

    When the dimensions for the MacMini were announced, I immediately got to work figuring out what the best way to integrate one into my own car would be. If I was going to put a Mac in my car, I wanted to make sure it had all of the functionality that it would have in a home environment while still maintaining an easy-to-operate interface so that distractions could be kept to a minimum. So the researching, planning, sketching and disassembly of my cars interior (to see what would fit where) began. After taking the thought process to every extreme imaginable, I decided on the following equipment list:

    - 1.42GHz MacMini with 512mb RAM, Superdrive, Bluetooth and Airport Extreme
    - Xenarc [xenarc.com] 700tsv 7 USB touchscreen monitor with VGA and dual composite video inputs
    - Cirque [cirque.com] EasyCat USB trackpad
    - Griffin PowerMate assignable USB control knob
    - Lacie 8 in 1 USB flash card reader
    - Belkin USB 7-port powered hub
    - Belkin USB four-port bus-powered hub
    - Belkin Firewire 6-port mini hub
    - Alpine PXA-H701 Multimedia processor with RUX-C701 controller
    - MonsterCable MCPI300 300watt power inverter
    - Female USB, Ethernet and Firewire ports
    - 40gig iPod dock
    - Griffin RadioShark USB FM/AM tuner

    Over the next few days, I will be putting up a post on each general aspect of the install to more closely cover how I did what where and any problems I encountered, as well as the solutions I came up with for these problems as they arose. More detailed pictures of the process will accompany these posts as well, for those interested in the more technical aspects of the install - such as removing the power button and indicator from the MacMini and relocating them to the switch panel in the dash, extending the Apple power supply's cable to locate the "brick" in the rear side panel of the car, fabricating the brushed aluminum trim bezels and rebuilding the glove box interior to accomodate the MacMini. So, enjoy and please check back over the next few days to check out these posts and two new iPod dock installs from last week...

  • good site (Score:5, Interesting)

    by golfsportila (760666) on Saturday March 12 2005, @09:16PM (#11923550) Homepage
    www.mp3car.com is a great site if your looking to get into these.
  • is the back of a Volkswagen still an uncomfortable place?

    /try the veal. ;)

  • by mblase (200735) on Saturday March 12 2005, @09:17PM (#11923564)
    The question of "why would anyone do this?" simply doesn't exist. It's only a question of "how do I do this?" and, even more importantly, "how far can I take it?"

    Of course, eventually this leads to things like cloning carnivorous dinosaurs and destroying small planets, but that's what science fiction writers are supposed to worry about.
  • Site down... (Score:5, Informative)

    by ral315 (741081) on Saturday March 12 2005, @09:18PM (#11923566)
    Mirrordot link [mirrordot.org]
    Coral cache [nyud.net]
  • by alanbs (784491) on Saturday March 12 2005, @09:20PM (#11923583)
    I predict in 20 years, half the articles on slashdot will be cool cyborg mods (to the human body).

    "I slipped the mini under my frontal lobe, so that latencey to the computational region of my brain is minimized, it is powered on my body heat, and the coolest thing, is that I have an IO port on my forehead so that I don't have to deal with the irritation of reaching around to the back of my head to plug in my peripherals."
    • You kids today and your newfangled forehead mounted IO ports. Back in my day, we used the butt port, and we liked it that way. Also, we used to have real sex with people, by typing to them. None of this perverted direct-connect wlan group sex with anonymous strangers every time you step out of your faraday cage.
  • Ports vertical? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Gyorg_Lavode (520114) on Saturday March 12 2005, @09:27PM (#11923626)
    Did he mount the various ports vertically? In a car that seems like a very bad idea as paper, grime, food will likely all get stuck in it.
  • by Zugot (17501) * <{bryan} {at} {osesm.com}> on Saturday March 12 2005, @09:29PM (#11923638)
    What is needed is some decent car computer software. Stuff to manage the AC and the radio. I'll try it out when someone manages that.
    • by momogasuki (790667) on Saturday March 12 2005, @10:07PM (#11923811)
      His car, a GTI 1.8T, can be reprogrammed (chipped) to run the turbo at higher boost, in addition to running octane-specific timing maps for more power. Stock is 180 hp, but the ECU can be reprogrammed for around 215 hp on 91 octane, 220 hp on 93 octane, and 235 hp on 100 octane.

      There is already aftermarket ECU reflashing software (e.g., http://www.giacusa.com/) for the 1.8T. However, it would be cool if he could rig the Mac Mini to switch between different performance programs. That would be a true hack.
      • by cjsnell (5825)

        GIAC offers software and hardware [giacusa.com] to do the switching on the fly. Hook up a serial port analyzer and figure out the protocol that the win32 app is using and duplicate this on the Mac. Integrate (as someone else said) into a Dashboard widget (heh, a Dashboard dashboard...).

        The air conditioning shouldn't be *too* hard if the controls are analog. It could probably be done with some sort of microcontroller that interfaces with the Mac via a USBSerial adapter.
  • Pfft... (Score:5, Funny)

    by iminplaya (723125) <`iminplaya' `at' `gmail.com'> on Saturday March 12 2005, @09:31PM (#11923652) Journal
    I'll be impressed when he can fit it into this [cnn.com].
  • Mirror (Score:5, Funny)

    by Joey Patterson (547891) on Saturday March 12 2005, @09:38PM (#11923685)
    500 Server Error
    The web server encountered an error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request. If this error persists, please contact the webmaster, and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error.


    Matt Turner may have turned his Mac mini into a Volkswagen, but we've turned his Web site into a Yugo.

    Oh, well, at least there's MirrorDot [mirrordot.org].
  • by dm614 (841165) on Saturday March 12 2005, @10:15PM (#11923832)
    As I was reading this I was thinking how far could one take this? I remember reading on Slashdot a week or two ago that people managed to use WiFi while driving (I forgot how fast)... Then I met inspiration, in a city like Philadelphia (commerical WiFi may be better suited but work with me), for instance, where there will be Municipal WiFi, if you had other friends with a Mac Mini in their cars or even Macs at home you could in theory have Video chat with your friends- for free in car.

    Imagine having an iChat icon pop-up while driving, let's ignore the immidiate safety risks and think about the "cool factor," you accept and your friend is right there in real time staring at you. It seems like something out of a movie, huh? But it's a really possibility. Especially with iChat AV's adoption of H.264 as its codec of choice (less bandwidth and better quality).

    I wouldn't think it'd be hard to figure out where to mount an iSight or to just make a custom case for it to be mounted stealthly in your car. You could even use it as a security system. If your alarm goes off it firesup and sends the stream to a police server. You could even have GPS installed to let the Police know where the crime is being committed.

    I think the possibility for uses of the Mac Mini in cars is amazing and hopefully we'll see things like this in the near future.
  • by alphakappa (687189) on Saturday March 12 2005, @10:22PM (#11923862) Homepage
    is being developed at iDash (http://www.idash.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net]
    • The actual link (Score:4, Informative)

      by michaeldot (751590) on Saturday March 12 2005, @10:32PM (#11923901)
      http://idash.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net]
      "iDash is software for the newest frontier in computing on the Mac: the car. While OS X does have one of the best user interfaces among all of the operating systems out there, its pretty difficult (not to mention dangerous) to use while driving down the road. iDash is a frontend that is able to control almost any applications via a plugin written Applescript. Thus enabling the intigration of music, movie and photo collections as well as GPS & Radio features into an easy to use all-in-one application."

      It would also be pretty cool to have Dashboard [apple.com] widgets on your dashboard...!

  • by Hard_Code (49548) on Saturday March 12 2005, @11:20PM (#11924078)
    I AM SAYING, LADY - STEP INSIDE MY VOLKSWAGON!

    [Lameness filter encountered. Post aborted!
    Reason: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.]
  • by sjonke (457707) on Saturday March 12 2005, @11:30PM (#11924105) Journal
    and your VW's AC is broken and the power windows no longer work. At least you'll be entertained, and the dim video will be preferable to the flickering dash lights.
    • by Zorilla (791636) on Saturday March 12 2005, @09:17PM (#11923560)
      Wow, these guys really do have a death wish. Not only did they post Mac stuff to Slashdot, their "site is down" page has a refresh tag to ensure that the process of DDoSing itself is completely automated.
    • Re:LOL WHAT A CROCK (Score:5, Informative)

      by Upaut (670171) * on Saturday March 12 2005, @09:40PM (#11923700) Homepage Journal
      I'm afraid I don't quite understand.

      Let me see if I can break it down for you:What's so goddamn novel about throwing an underpowered, overpriced Mac inside a dashboard?

      Well for starters, its a very well done hack. Second, the poster shows that it can display maps, and quite probably can aide in navigation. Third, the mac can store a very large music library, and comes with the ease of itunes. Forth, he made a very nice dash/overall car mod to include a ipod dock, a power outlet, and many shiny buttons...

      If one were interested in getting a portable media center for his car, he would have many options that involve spending less money and/or getting more bang for your buck. Why, for the $500 he spent on his fashion accessory that can't play games, he could've gotten a Dell desktop with approximately double the speed, and expandability to boot, plus he would've instantly been able to use the vast array of Windows and Linux software available.

      The mac is shiny. And playing unreal at 94 mph along the freeway is not something I want to be doing...

      Proof once again that Macs are nothing more than an item for trend whores and label sluts.

      I had a Dell for one year before it fried. Bough another, same deal. The costomer service/documentation sucked. On the other hand, I have now had a mac Powerbook for the last two years, and its providing better functionality than any other machine I have bought. When you buy apple, you buy quality. Think of an apple as a Lexus, and a dell as a Ugo. Sure, the Ugo will get you from point A to point B, but it is made of inferrior parts, tends to fail, and lacks any style.
      • I had a Dell for one year before it fried. Bough another, same deal. The costomer service/documentation sucked. On the other hand, I have now had a mac Powerbook for the last two years, and its providing better functionality than any other machine I have bought. When you buy apple, you buy quality. Think of an apple as a Lexus, and a dell as a Ugo. Sure, the Ugo will get you from point A to point B, but it is made of inferrior parts, tends to fail, and lacks any style.

        Let's be honest here, a Dell isn't as
      • by Speare (84249) on Saturday March 12 2005, @11:09PM (#11924045) Homepage
        And playing unreal at 94 mph along the freeway is not something I want to be doing...

        ObJoke: And driving a Volkswagen Beetle at 94 mph along the freeway is?

    • Re:LOL WHAT A CROCK (Score:3, Informative)

      by thesnarky1 (846799)
      I'm not sure about your definition of expandable... All the Dell's I've been in, fixing for my friends, fixing for my work, etc, are NOT expandable. They come with the least bays I've EVER seen. The cases allow for one (1) extra internal device, one (1) extra stick of RAM, and one (1) extra PCI slot. Now, this might not be true for the XPS, but that is a huge waste of money. For half the price of my Dell, I bought parts off of Newegg and got a PC that out performs it considerably. for $500 I don't know ANY
    • by Dixie_Flatline (5077) * <`jan' `at' `ea.com'> on Saturday March 12 2005, @11:18PM (#11924074) Homepage
      I'd like to understand where your vehemence is coming from.

      Was your mother an Apple Lisa, and didn't give you enough love as a child?

      Did a Powerbook kill your father?

      Did you have an untimely breakup with an iMac?

      Did Steve Jobs come to your house, kick you down the stairs, pee in the corner, and then burn all your childhood toys?

      I mean, really. Apple is just a company and the Mac is just another computer. It works well for a lot of people, myself included. Why go insane over it?
        • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 13 2005, @03:50AM (#11924891)
          Ah yes. Let's read this post again.

          "I spent 150$ on parts for my 1.0ghz flex PC. It is not quite as small, and it is not quite as fast. Nor is it as -ahem- hip. But it was a fraction ov the cost."

          So, let's see. You have a PC that's not quite as small or as a fast as a Mac mini. But you didn't pay that much for it?

          I could get an old G3 iMac motherboard for $75.00. It wouldn't be as small and it wouldn't be as fast. It wouldn't have as much memory or anything like that. But it would be cheaper.

          So I'm a little lost. Are you saying that you can get less machine for less money? I think the proper response, in that case, is "Duh."

          "It is a fanless mobo design and boots a flash drive - cant get much quieter then silent."

          True. But the cheapest Mac mini comes with a 40GB drive. Are you implying that your $150 PC has a 40GB flash drive? I doubt it. So your machine doesn't have as much storage, I don't know what it has for memory, it's not quite as small, it's not quite as fast, but it was cheaper.

          "Yes, it runs linux."

          So does the Mac mini.

          Did you manage to fit KDE or GNOME or X-Windows or something that gives you a graphical interface on your flash card to go along with linux? Does it even have a graphics card? Or do you have a computer which doesn't have the same graphics capability, doesn't have as much storage, is not quite as small, is not quite as fast, but is cheaper than the Mac mini?

          Heck, I have an old HP41C calculator that I picked up at a swap meet for $5. I guess that beats out the $150 flex PC, except for the running linux part.
    • "After all how could they ban devices that are ok for the military while flying at up to Mach-2?"

      I'm no pilot, but if you take your attention off the clouds for a couple of seconds at mach 2, you risk running into more clouds. If you take your attention off the road for a couple of seconds, you risk running into a suddenly braking car, or a pedestrian.

      Even if there are factors I haven't considered, pilots are slightly better trained than licensed drivers.