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Liquid Lenses For Camera Phones

Posted by CmdrTaco on Thu Dec 02, 2004 03:09 PM
from the my-camera-is-leaking dept.
Roland Piquepaille writes "In this article, the Register writes that "camera phones will soon have lenses made from nothing more substantial than a couple of drops of oil and water, but will still be capable of auto focusing, and even zooming in on subjects." The lenses, developed by the French company Varioptic, contain drops of oil and water, acting respectively as conductor and insulator, and sandwiched between two windows. These liquid lenses could replace glass or plastic ones because of several advantages: no moving parts, leading to better reliability; a very small power consumption; very small dimensions (diameter: 8mm; thickness: 2mm); and a very fast response time of 2/100th of a second. You can expect the first camera phones using these liquid lenses as early as Christmas 2005. These lenses might also appear in medical equipment, such as endoscopes, optical networking equipment or surveillance devices. This overview contains other details and references."
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  • Durability (Score:5, Insightful)

    by fembots (753724) on Thursday December 02 2004, @03:10PM (#10977684) Homepage
    This company was only founded two years ago, I wonder how much has been put into testing the quality and durability of the oil, which is subject to voltage going through it every now and then. However given the rate people change their mobile phones, durability might not have to be a feature.

    Other than that, it's a great invention, no wonder the guy will pursue an aggressive intellectual property strategy, so anyone who wants to build something like this will need a licence from them.

    There's also a mentiond of true zoom capability, using two of the liquid lenses. Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of being very small, since you need more depth to create the zooming effect, no?
    • Two of these lenses will still be considerably smaller than two glass lenses so a zoom lens will be much smaller.

      On mobile phone cameras quality is not a huge deal but I am still rather skeptical about use in medical equipment though. Medical stuff needs to be far more precise and hold its precision over a long time. "Hard stuff" like glass will be hard to displace with sqishy lenses.

      • Re:Zooming (Score:4, Interesting)

        by tambo (310170) on Thursday December 02 2004, @03:43PM (#10978077)
        So uh... it's liquid, right? And liquids have some annoying tendencies... freezing, boiling, expanding/contracting, leaking, drying up? Liquids respond much more dynamically to temperature changes than solids, especially glass.

        Even if they won't freeze or boil within normal operating temperatures - they're still running current through it, right? Even if the liquid is stable and inert from -10C to +40C, an electric problem could cause it to heat up in a hurry.

        - David Stein

        • Even if the liquid is stable and inert from -10C to +40C

          Your temperature range is too narrow. It was -24C this morning here in Winnipeg, and it hasn't gotten real cold yet.
          We average13 days [ec.gc.ca] below -30C each year, and about the same number above +30C.
          • Re:Zooming (Score:3, Informative)

            But isn't glass a liquid, too?

            Technically, yes. It's a liquid with an incredibly high viscosity, such that its flow is only observable on a geologic time frame.

            Realistically, no. It has none of the normal properties of liquids. It retains its shape for hundreds of years. It's hard (try rapping your knuckles on a typical liquid.) It doesn't noticeably expand or contract with temperature and pressure differences. You can't dissolve anything in it in its normal state (maybe when it's molten, but not at 20C

    • Re:Durability (Score:5, Insightful)

      by harrkev (623093) <(gro.ylimafnoslerrah) (ta) (dsmfk)> on Thursday December 02 2004, @03:22PM (#10977837) Homepage
      Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of being very small, since you need more depth to create the zooming effect, no?

      Yes, it would. Bit it would still be a lot smaller than having a tiny threaded barrel, a tiny motor, tiny gears, etc. So it would need some length, but probably a lot less than the alternatives.

      The only thing that worries me is how well something like this would handle shock. If you drop you phone, what if a small drop of oil broke off and was then floating around in the water. Maybe shaking it would get it to merge back again, or maybe not.

      Other than that, it's a great invention, no wonder the guy will pursue an aggressive intellectual property strategy, so anyone who wants to build something like this will need a licence from them.

      I believe that I remember reading about this concept in the original Star Wars movie novelization (or maybe it was some other book, but I DID read it a long time ago in a city far, far away). So the concept is not new. Making it work is. I have no doubt that the particular materials and methods used are definately covered by patent, but I wonder if somebody came up with a different method of using oil lenses, if they could use the "prior art" of sci-if?
      • I believe that I remember reading about this concept in the original Star Wars movie...

        I was thinking one of the Dune novels. I've heard of it too, and I've never read a Star Wars novel.

      • How about from history? Antonie van Leeuwenhoek (1632 - 1723) Quick overview: http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/historic_figures/lee u wenhoek_antonie_van.shtml [bbc.co.uk]

        When I was a kid I had a book with his detailed biography. Quite an interesting fellow. (See also my post above, regarding his primitive lenses.)

        As to telescoping lenses, I'd think a droplet lens pair and its "zoomer" could be very small, so small that surface tension would be the most powerful factor affecting the lenses, thus quite stable for applica
    • I wonder about the ability of the lens to sustain shock (and not just the kind from bad composition). If you've ever put oil and water in a jar and shaken it you get tiny "bubbles" of oil that don't immediately mix back into the large mass of oil.

      Given the jarring hits I've seen some phones take I wonder what that would do to the oil/water barrier. Or perhaps it's just too small with not enough mass to act in the same way as the jar of oil/water analogy.

  • sigh (Score:4, Interesting)

    by grub (11606) <slashdot@grub.net> on Thursday December 02 2004, @03:10PM (#10977690) Homepage Journal

    When reading the article my main thoughts were "Pretty cool sounding tech..." then I read the final paragraph.
    Varioptics has just filed a further two patents, and will pursue an aggressive intellectual property strategy. "We think, and out patent advisors think, that this is the only way you can do it [build an auto focussing lens] with liquid," Paillard says. "So anyone who wants to build something like this will need a licence from us."
    I just lost so much enthusiasm for this idea.
    • Re:sigh (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Rude Turnip (49495) <valuation&gmail,com> on Thursday December 02 2004, @03:13PM (#10977723)
      This is the kind of stuff that patents were intended for...novel inventions. Moreover, by the context of that quote, they are focusing (no pun intended) on a specific way of building such a lense...again in the true spirit of what patents are for.
      • This is the kind of stuff that patents were intended for...novel inventions. Moreover, by the context of that quote, they are focusing (no pun intended) on a specific way of building such a lense...again in the true spirit of what patents are for.

        Since Mickey Mouse is copyrighted rather than patented, this patent will expire in about 20 years, so we'll be able to buy these in kiddy toys for our grandkids. If Mickey were patented, then it would be patents which run forever, and we would never be able to b

      • Re:sigh (Score:3, Informative)

        Well, maybe not entirely novel. The concept of a variable oil or water lens was used by microbiology pioneer Antony van Leeuwenhoek (1632-1723), in his studies of the "wee beasties". His primitive microscopes used drops of liquid as lenses, and as I vaguely recall, he'd worked out a way to wobble the "lens" to change its shape, thus its magnification.

        What does seem to be novel here (well, *I've* never heard of it before), and worth noting, is using voltage gadgetry to control the shape and position of the
    • If it truly is the only way, rivals might be able to get a patent overturned in court. (It's going to be passed. The US patent office'd patent a flying sleigh to a Mr. Clause, if someone coughed up the money.)

      Although you can patent inventions, there are certain restrictions. You can't patent anything that's "obvious" and there are limits on what you can patent, when there are no other ways of solving the same problem. (Which is what these guys are claiming.)

      The reason for the latter restriction is that

    • "I just lost so much enthusiasm for this idea."

      Yeah, same here. It'd really cramp their style if they suddenly started making money.
    • I'd say this probably is a good patent, within the original intent of patenting. The real problem with the patent system is that it is abused that many patents go against the patent law.
  • A dream come true. (Score:3, Insightful)

    by conner_bw (120497) on Thursday December 02 2004, @03:10PM (#10977691) Homepage Journal
    Awesome lenses and shitty DPI, together at last?

  • reduce! ack!
  • With liquid lens and OLEDs, very soon most electronics will be sprayed into place!
  • speed (Score:5, Funny)

    by kaleco (801384) <greig@marshall2.btinternet@com> on Thursday December 02 2004, @03:12PM (#10977721)
    2/100ths of a second? That's much faster than those common-as-muck 1/50ths ones.
    • 2/100ths of a second? That's much faster than those common-as-muck 1/50ths ones.

      Actually as far as the measurement of time is concerned, it is usually measured in divisions of 10, so 2/100ths of a second actually sounds more comprehendable than 1/50th of a second.

      Just being pendantic...sorry.
  • I love liquid lenses. I often indulge in testing sessions where upon I don my own pair of "liquid lenses" by drinking 8 pints. It's sooo cool how it makes all the ugly chicks look like Jennifer Aniston!
  • I wonder how much he paid for this article.
    • I see his URL has changed from radio.weblogs.com to www.primidi.com too. This happened some time between October 30th and November 3rd. see his submissions [slashdot.org].

      Another URL for my hosts file.
  • Space lens (Score:3, Interesting)

    by WindBourne (631190) on Thursday December 02 2004, @03:17PM (#10977780) Journal
    Just thinking about the hubble and other spy-sats, this may really be a god send for cheap telescopes. Depending on maximum sizes it should be possible to build a system with parellel cameras. Cheap and accurate.
    • by harrkev (623093) <(gro.ylimafnoslerrah) (ta) (dsmfk)> on Thursday December 02 2004, @03:27PM (#10977901) Homepage
      At small scales, drops appear spherical. But I am not sure that this would scale well. I would imagine that at some point (probably around 1mL) the surface would deviate from spherical enough to cause problems. AFAIK, most things in space need big lenses, so it might not be suitable.

      Also, could this type of contraption survive launch? Itallian dressing is oil and water. But if you shake the bottle really hard...

      Hey. Wait a second.... They patented Itallian Dressing!!!!!
      • Try this instead: Liquid water doesn't do to well at temperatures below freezing ...

        So don't forget your camera phone in your car on a cold day.

        Or leave it in the outer pockets of your ski jacket.

        Also, don't click on the last link in the story - it's more site whoring by Roland "the pipsqueak" Pippique.

  • Dune, anyone? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by evanbd (210358) on Thursday December 02 2004, @03:18PM (#10977787)
    Unless I'm mistaken (it's been a while), they had oil-based optics in binoculars in Dune. Always cool when a science fiction idea sees real life :)
  • SciFi to Reality (Score:5, Informative)

    by NardofDoom (821951) on Thursday December 02 2004, @03:18PM (#10977795)
    Frank Herbert wrote of oil lenses in Dune: Link [technovelgy.com]

    It's pretty cool that this is coming to pass, even if they're not sandwiched between force fields.

      • He was basing it on slightly different technology that has existed for many years used with microscopes.

        If you have a properly designed glass lens and you have a drop of oil between the lens and the subject you can resolve far greater detail than with a normal lens (say 1000x as compared to 300x). The problem was that no one had developed a way to encase the oil so that it would stay stable and clean, while still exibiting the same optic properties.

        Until now. I actually remember reading about this compa
  • I have that beat.. The solid glass lens in my Kodak digital camera uses no power at all!
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 02 2004, @03:21PM (#10977828)
    Artificial eyes and camera capable of very fast, accurate focus could be built from these. But they have patented the technology (such as it is) up the ying/yang. What this means is they are now sitting on their duffs, waiting for money to roll in. They technology could be improved and create real breakthroughs...but it's patented, so those good ideas will languish for your great great great great grandchildren. When the patent expires in 2196, the technology will be improved, patented again, and improved again in 2305 when that patent expires. Millions could have benefited from it in the interum, but alas, why improve things when you can patent and stifle?
    • "Artificial eyes and camera capable of very fast, accurate focus could be built from these. But they have patented the technology (such as it is) up the ying/yang. What this means is they are now sitting on their duffs, waiting for money to roll in. They technology could be improved and create real breakthroughs...but it's patented, so those good ideas will languish for your great great great great grandchildren."

      What are you talking about. If someone could make it work as an artificial lens for an eye
  • by beef curtains (792692) on Thursday December 02 2004, @03:22PM (#10977830)
    From my (very, very shallow) understanding of the technology, it sounds like it could do pretty well (in theory, at least) in "prosthetic-eye/lens-type" uses...at least for people with lens-dengenerative issues.
  • When I first started reading the /. article, I thought that this was somehow going to have the benifit that you could defocus the lens using some strange jamming technology so that they could not be used in sensitive places (like locker rooms). But I guess not.
  • Prior art? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by dtmos (447842) on Thursday December 02 2004, @03:24PM (#10977858)
    I wonder how Philips [slashdot.org] feels about it.
  • Refractive indexes are different for different wavelengths. Wouldn't this give a rainbow effect like cheap binoculars? I also wonder about long term stability of the liquids and solid. I could see the images getting cloudy, but I guess not in the life span of a Cell phone. For a new technology, though, it looks promising.
  • by Anonymous Coward
    when their owners take them out of the warm store and into the freezing winter air, except for those who purchased their phones in Southern climes.....
  • by natural rah (768107) on Thursday December 02 2004, @03:31PM (#10977935)
    There is another recent article on this topic here [ieee.org] in the latest issue (Dec 2004) of IEEE Spectrum. From this article it looks like this technology will be commercialized within the next 2-3 years.
  • ...you'll be able to dress a very tiny salad after you call for a rescue.
  • by Woogiemonger (628172) on Thursday December 02 2004, @03:33PM (#10977958)
    I wonder if the technology is similar to what observatory telescopes are using to warp mirrors for atmospheric correction. The difference offhand is the feedback mechanism that sensors provide the telescope to warp its mirror constantly, but it has to adjust very fast, and therefore I just pictured a liquid camera phone lens having a similar viscosity, controlled by similar technology. Now digital cameras with atmospheric correction built in, where you have heterogenous warping of the lens would be neat, so you can take clear pictures through fog and smoke.
  • Granted, theirs used force fields, but the characters in Dune used oil lenses [williams.edu] in their telescopic devices.
  • um. (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 02 2004, @03:37PM (#10978008)
    A really small image sensor requires a really short focal lenght, which translates itself into a really small lens, which further translates itself into a very big depth of field. This means that the area behind and in front of the plane of focus that's sharp is large, and that accurate focus is very often not needed.

    Therefore, I'm not yet impressed by the claim that this lens can be focused without moving parts. First I'd need to be convinced that it needs to be focused at all, for the intended application.

  • by malakai (136531) * on Thursday December 02 2004, @03:45PM (#10978116) Journal
    Tunable Microlens [optics.org]

    No idea if they had patents on it. If this French company got there first, these would seem to be very lucrative patents.

    As for SciFi being there first, that's hardly an argument we (Geeks) want to see used. If companies can't make money off a technique or concept because a SciFi writer wrote about it abstractly, they will not invest the money needed to create such a technology. We'd have to sit around and wait for some gigantic government initiative like the Space Shuttle to get technology we've long dreamed for. And even then.. it's rarely in a form we can benefit from.

    Remeber, its 1% inspiration/ 99% perspiration.

    It's gret these SciFi writers inspired our engineers, but the effort that goes in to producing viable products should not remain un-rewarded.

  • by bbdd (733681) on Thursday December 02 2004, @04:59PM (#10979286)
    I saw a similar idea a few weeks ago on a TV show (Next@CNN).

    Adaptive Eyecare's [adaptive-eyecare.com] adaptive lenses are fluid- filled and the power is changed by varying the amount of fluid in the lens.

    The lenses are built into a universal fitting pair of glasses frames, which allow the wearer to adjust the amount of fluid in each lens using a syringe-like device. This results in an individually tuned custom set of corrective vision lenses without an eye-doctor or expensive equipment for vision testing or lens grinding.

    From their website: "The starting point for the development of Adaptive Eyecare's technology was the astonishing statistic that according to the World Health Organization [who.int] there are currently around one billion people - including 10% of school children - in the world who would benefit from vision correction, but are as yet uncorrected. Most of these people live in the developing world, and the problem arises principally because the numbers of personnel trained to deliver vision correction in the conventional way are simply inadequate to meet the needs of the people. These statistics have profound implications - they mean that hundreds of millions of adults do not have the vision correction they need to be socially and economically active, and many children are educationally and socially disadvantaged."

    This is a very cool technology that could really change the lives of many disadvantaged people worldwide. I hope that whatever patents are out there do not stifle this sort of use...
    • They were indeed intended for poor communities(countries), but they weren't really intended for self diagnosis. They were intended to be simple and cheap to set at a given prescription by an individual with the proper training. Compared to grinding, twisting a knob is pretty cheap. And it is even quicker.